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Re: I have no words for McCaffrey - ThePassionOfTheChryst - 12-07-2015
(12-07-2015, 06:56 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:By the way, cool video of McCaffrey and the team finding out he was a finalist on TV:
https://twitter.com/GoStanford/status/674030953912664064
BC
They didn't wait for the name! For all they knew it could have been Solomon Thomas, and his 34 APY against SC.
Re: I have no words for McCaffrey - ThePassionOfTheChryst - 12-07-2015
Anyone else getting irked by people qualifying McCaffrey's record? "It took him two more games..." He broke the record early in the 2nd quarter, iirc, so it took him just over one additional game, but he still did it on fewer touches.
Re: I have no words for McCaffrey - stupac2 - 12-07-2015
(12-07-2015, 09:55 PM)ThePassionOfTheChryst link Wrote:Anyone else getting irked by people qualifying McCaffrey's record? "It took him two more games..." He broke the record early in the 2nd quarter, iirc, so it took him just over one additional game, but he still did it on fewer touches.
I am kind of amazed that for all the "he took more games" talk, it took me until after the CCG to hear that it actually took fewer touches. Why wasn't that being used all the time as a counterpoint to the "more games" talk?
Re: I have no words for McCaffrey - Rally - 12-07-2015
(12-07-2015, 10:08 PM)stupac2 link Wrote:[quote author=ThePassionOfTheChryst link=topic=13922.msg146729#msg146729 date=1449550549]
Anyone else getting irked by people qualifying McCaffrey's record? "It took him two more games..." He broke the record early in the 2nd quarter, iirc, so it took him just over one additional game, but he still did it on fewer touches.
I am kind of amazed that for all the "he took more games" talk, it took me until after the CCG to hear that it actually took fewer touches. Why wasn't that being used all the time as a counterpoint to the "more games" talk?
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And I don't like promoting him as a running back. He is an EVERYTHING back. But, water over the dam. Votes are in.
Re: I have no words for McCaffrey - CTcard - 12-07-2015
(12-07-2015, 10:08 PM)stupac2 link Wrote:[quote author=ThePassionOfTheChryst link=topic=13922.msg146729#msg146729 date=1449550549]
Anyone else getting irked by people qualifying McCaffrey's record? "It took him two more games..." He broke the record early in the 2nd quarter, iirc, so it took him just over one additional game, but he still did it on fewer touches.
I am kind of amazed that for all the "he took more games" talk, it took me until after the CCG to hear that it actually took fewer touches. Why wasn't that being used all the time as a counterpoint to the "more games" talk?
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It's not really that crazy to think about how many games were involved.
All purpose yards combines efficiency and workload to measure total contribution to a team. Noting that McCaffrey got there on fewer touches indicates more efficiency. However, you really don't want to go all in on yds/touch - there's a ton of guys with more yds/play than McCaffrey. These guys aren't nearly as valuable as McCaffrey as they don't carry nearly the offensive load.
[For example, the #3 guy is a Texas Tech receiver who averages 17.5 yds/touch to McCaffrey's 8.5 but he only has 124 touches to McCaffrey's 410. ]
So, yds/game doesn't take into account pace of play or how the game has changed in the past 26 years, but it's probably the best option for comparing All Purpose Yards.
[... at least that is readily available - I might like All Purpose Yards per drive, but good luck finding that.]
Re: I have no words for McCaffrey - ThePassionOfTheChryst - 12-07-2015
(12-07-2015, 10:08 PM)stupac2 link Wrote:[quote author=ThePassionOfTheChryst link=topic=13922.msg146729#msg146729 date=1449550549]
Anyone else getting irked by people qualifying McCaffrey's record? "It took him two more games..." He broke the record early in the 2nd quarter, iirc, so it took him just over one additional game, but he still did it on fewer touches.
I am kind of amazed that for all the "he took more games" talk, it took me until after the CCG to hear that it actually took fewer touches. Why wasn't that being used all the time as a counterpoint to the "more games" talk?
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Beats me. People also like to discredit McCaffrey's stats for being "inflated" by his return yardage. They conveniently ignore that Sanders had 21 kick returns of his own in '88 (to Mac's 36), Christian just averaged 8.9 more yards (28.9 to 20.0).
Re: I have no words for McCaffrey - Rally - 12-07-2015
(12-07-2015, 10:40 PM)ThePassionOfTheChryst link Wrote:[quote author=stupac2 link=topic=13922.msg146733#msg146733 date=1449551280]
[quote author=ThePassionOfTheChryst link=topic=13922.msg146729#msg146729 date=1449550549]
Anyone else getting irked by people qualifying McCaffrey's record? "It took him two more games..." He broke the record early in the 2nd quarter, iirc, so it took him just over one additional game, but he still did it on fewer touches.
I am kind of amazed that for all the "he took more games" talk, it took me until after the CCG to hear that it actually took fewer touches. Why wasn't that being used all the time as a counterpoint to the "more games" talk?
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Beats me. People also like to discredit McCaffrey's stats for being "inflated" by his return yardage. They conveniently ignore that Sanders had 21 kick returns of his own in '88 (to Mac's 36), Christian just averaged 8.9 more yards (28.9 to 20.0).
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They will use any excuse available, and if none are available they will just make one up.
Re: I have no words for McCaffrey - dabigv13 - 12-07-2015
(12-07-2015, 06:56 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:By the way, cool video of McCaffrey and the team finding out he was a finalist on TV:
https://twitter.com/GoStanford/status/674030953912664064
BC
This was cool, but on further reflection made me a bit sad- wonder what it was like in the Oklahoma or Navy video room.
Re: I have no words for McCaffrey - BostonCard - 12-07-2015
If people want to discount McCaffrey's return yardage, they can always use yards from scrimmage...
| Name | Team | Yr | Pos | G | Rush Yards | Recv Yards | TD | Plays | Total Yards | Yards/Play | Yards/G | |
| 1 | Christian McCaffrey | Stanford | SO | RB | 13 | 1847 | 540 | 12 | 360 | 2387 | 6.6 | 183.6 |
| 2 | Leonard Fournette | LSU | SO | RB | 11 | 1741 | 209 | 18 | 289 | 1950 | 6.7 | 177.3 |
| 3 | Dalvin Cook | FSU | SO | RB | 11 | 1658 | 218 | 19 | 233 | 1876 | 8.1 | 170.5 |
| 4 | Royce Freeman | Oregon | SO | RB | 12 | 1706 | 325 | 16 | 281 | 2031 | 7.2 | 169.3 |
| 5 | Larry Rose III | NMSU | SO | RB | 12 | 1651 | 283 | 16 | 270 | 1934 | 7.2 | 161.2 |
| 6 | Derrick Henry | Alabama | JR | RB | 13 | 1986 | 97 | 23 | 349 | 2083 | 6.0 | 160.2 |
McCaffrey has a 300 yard (23 yard/game) advantage in yards from scrimmage compared to Henry. He's also averaging 0.6 yards per play more than Henry.
BC
Re: I have no words for McCaffrey - yvonne - 12-08-2015
It's all about numbers. Henry wears one on his helmet. He wins. End of story.
Re: I have no words for McCaffrey - CornFed - 12-08-2015
(12-07-2015, 10:19 PM)ferrari link Wrote:[quote author=stupac2 link=topic=13922.msg146733#msg146733 date=1449551280]
[quote author=ThePassionOfTheChryst link=topic=13922.msg146729#msg146729 date=1449550549]
Anyone else getting irked by people qualifying McCaffrey's record? "It took him two more games..." He broke the record early in the 2nd quarter, iirc, so it took him just over one additional game, but he still did it on fewer touches.
I am kind of amazed that for all the "he took more games" talk, it took me until after the CCG to hear that it actually took fewer touches. Why wasn't that being used all the time as a counterpoint to the "more games" talk?
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And I don't like promoting him as a running back. He is an EVERYTHING back. But, water over the dam. Votes are in.
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You're absolutely right. Regardless of how things turn out next Saturday, next year we should promote him as an OMNI-back or a hybrid back; something to highlight his multi-dimensionality.Â
Re: I have no words for McCaffrey - ThePassionOfTheChryst - 12-08-2015
(12-07-2015, 11:58 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:If people want to discount McCaffrey's return yardage, they can always use yards from scrimmage...
Name Team Yr Pos G Rush Yards Recv Yards TD Plays Total Yards Yards/Play Yards/G 1 Christian McCaffrey Stanford SO RB 13 1847 540 12 360 2387 6.6 183.6 2 Leonard Fournette LSU SO RB 11 1741 209 18 289 1950 6.7 177.3 3 Dalvin Cook FSU SO RB 11 1658 218 19 233 1876 8.1 170.5 4 Royce Freeman Oregon SO RB 12 1706 325 16 281 2031 7.2 169.3 5 Larry Rose III NMSU SO RB 12 1651 283 16 270 1934 7.2 161.2 6 Derrick Henry Alabama JR RB 13 1986 97 23 349 2083 6.0 160.2
McCaffrey has a 300 yard (23 yard/game) advantage in yards from scrimmage compared to Henry. He's also averaging 0.6 yards per play more than Henry.
BC
What an impressive class of backs.
Re: I have no words for McCaffrey - BigEasyCard - 12-08-2015
FWIW, ESPN experts now pick McCaffrey: http://espn.go.com/college-football/Voldemort/
Geaux Cardinal!
Re: I have no words for McCaffrey - stupac2 - 12-08-2015
(12-07-2015, 10:38 PM)CTcard link Wrote:It's not really that crazy to think about how many games were involved.
All purpose yards combines efficiency and workload to measure total contribution to a team. Noting that McCaffrey got there on fewer touches indicates more efficiency. However, you really don't want to go all in on yds/touch - there's a ton of guys with more yds/play than McCaffrey. These guys aren't nearly as valuable as McCaffrey as they don't carry nearly the offensive load.
[For example, the #3 guy is a Texas Tech receiver who averages 17.5 yds/touch to McCaffrey's 8.5 but he only has 124 touches to McCaffrey's 410. ]
So, yds/game doesn't take into account pace of play or how the game has changed in the past 26 years, but it's probably the best option for comparing All Purpose Yards.
[... at least that is readily available - I might like All Purpose Yards per drive, but good luck finding that.]
Oh it's not crazy to mention that it took more games, that context is essential. But just saying that makes one think that they got about the same number of touches per game, so Sanders was more efficient and carried more load. Knowing that Sanders carried more of the load but was slightly less efficient than McCaffrey makes the whole view more nuanced, and makes McCaffrey's performance more impressive.
Incidentally, was Sanders getting 40 touches a game or something? It's kind of amazing that he somehow got more total touches in 11 games than McCaffrey got in 13. We use McCaffrey a lot!
Re: I have no words for McCaffrey - OutsiderFan - 12-08-2015
FWIW, there is a poll on the Ca.l Rivals board for "Who will win the Voldemort Trophy?"
CMac has the most votes. That was surprising to me, because I know they are loathe to see Stanford win a Voldemort in addition to going to Rose Bowls in 3/4 years.
Re: I have no words for McCaffrey - stupac2 - 12-08-2015
As far as I can tell the only reason to prefer Henry over McCaffrey is raging bias. I know I'm clearly biased so it's hard to say that, but it's not clear that Henry is the best player on his own team, the best RB in his own conference, and he's very clearly not the best RB in the country. If it were between McCaffrey and Cook or if Watson weren't clearly going to be #3 then I could see it, but if you take off the blinders at all Henry just has no case whatsoever.
Re: I have no words for McCaffrey - cardFan - 12-08-2015
Stanford football just shared this link on Facebook, "It was McCaffreys trophy to lose and he capped his season in style."
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/12/07/college-mccaffrey-mayfield-bosa-lead-pffs-top-Voldemort-candidates/
Re: I have no words for McCaffrey - yvonne - 12-08-2015
Wouldn't it be cool if it could actually happen? I'm still not a believer in the Voldemort voters, but I'd love to be wrong.
Re: I have no words for McCaffrey - BostonCard - 12-08-2015
http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman15/?ex_cid=espntw
Wow E(SEC)PN's Voldemort poll has McCaffrey on top!
BC
Re: I have no words for McCaffrey - OutsiderFan - 12-08-2015
(12-08-2015, 10:18 AM)Yvonne link Wrote:Wouldn't it be cool if it could actually happen? I'm still not a believer in the Voldemort voters, but I'd love to be wrong.
I hate your pessimism/cynicism, Yvonne. Not that it is unwarranted, but it makes me happy to see you are open to being wrong :)Â It does seem there is very good reason to believe CMac has won.Â
The votes have already been counted. They just won't be announced publicly until Saturday night.