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Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - CardinalSagehen - 12-06-2017
(12-05-2017, 02:49 PM)CTcard link Wrote:My gut feeling is that if we were to do an internal hire for OC, it would be more likely to be Ron Gould than Pritchard. Gould has a lot more experience, has been a head coach, and doesn't seem either too young or too old (52 I think). But that is purely a guess.
I agree. This will not excite anyone, but having observed Shaw for many years, I'm guessing that he'll make a safe, unsexy, internal choice for the OC replacement, probably Gould. For better or worse, Shaw massively values continuity. He has no desire for a strong-willed, high-profile OC to shake things up and start calling the plays. The other near-term benefits (in his eyes) would be the avoidance of team confusion and distraction of the coaching staff (including himself) during bowl and recruiting season. An internal promotion would certainly cost the least, too, leaving more budget for the two backfills (OL coach and the promoted coach).
It may seem a bit lazy, but promoting from within is often the path of least resistance when you value continuity and perceive that things "ain't broke". Â
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - CTcard - 12-06-2017
(12-06-2017, 02:18 PM)Cardinal Sagehen link Wrote:[quote author=CTcard link=topic=18293.msg217188#msg217188 date=1512510578]
My gut feeling is that if we were to do an internal hire for OC, it would be more likely to be Ron Gould than Pritchard. Gould has a lot more experience, has been a head coach, and doesn't seem either too young or too old (52 I think). But that is purely a guess.
I agree. This will not excite anyone, but having observed Shaw for many years, I'm guessing that he'll make a safe, unsexy, internal choice for the OC replacement, probably Gould. For better or worse, Shaw massively values continuity. He has no desire for a strong-willed, high-profile OC to shake things up and start calling the plays. The other near-term benefits (in his eyes) would be the avoidance of team confusion and distraction of the coaching staff (including himself) during bowl and recruiting season. An internal promotion would certainly cost the least, too, leaving more budget for the two backfills (OL coach and the promoted coach).
It may seem a bit lazy, but promoting from within is often the path of least resistance when you value continuity and perceive that things "ain't broke".Â
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I don't think you necessarily agree with me. I was not stating I thought Shaw would hire Gould, I was saying that IF Shaw were to make an internal hire, Gould would seem the most likely to me. My general guess is that an external hire is more likely than not.
I have no information that Gould is not a "strong-willed" coach, but I don't know the man. Perhaps you know or have heard?
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - teejers1 - 12-06-2017
BC, someone on the other site noted that Costello had the third highest QBR in all of FBS football, per ESPN.
I'll stick with my belief that O underperformed to talent - but of course, it is a subjective evaluation, as is your opinion (no matter how many stats you throw around). And as previously noted, if you think you have good offensive talent, I don't understand the purpose behind taking the air out of the ball, so to speak, with most snaps coming with 3 or fewer seconds left on the play clock. [And before you all credit the staff for doing this due to an average defense, recall that this has been the MO for the entire regime - even when Stanford had stellar defenses].
Don't want hurry up all the time (though occasionally would be okay); don't want spread. But would love an attempt to bust out the O from Circa 2000 when Husak QBed the team to a Rose Bowl.
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - stupac2 - 12-06-2017
(12-06-2017, 01:58 PM)jacketree link Wrote:[quote author=CTcard link=topic=18293.msg217290#msg217290 date=1512581488]
I'll have to think a bit about what I think these numbers really mean.
Not sure if that is significant or not.
I'm not sure either. What is significant is: who is good? Say top-4 good. Clemson, Georgia, and Oklahoma all have good offenses when I watch them. Alabama less so, but let's pretend. So their rankings are respectively 102, 88, 116 and 92. Which end (Temple or Illinois) is better? Least variance? (Illinois). Illinois? Good teams with a good season are all over the map, but the absolute best is clustered between 88 and 116. The median value of this is 102. That's the absolute best! (Clemson). But on their shoulder are Nebraska (sucks), Charlotte (basketball school), SMU (kinda okay), and Coastal Carolina (basketball school with killer mascot). So what are we supposed to do with this information?
Appreciate Supac's effort, but not sure these numbers tell us much. Context is everything.
Feels like hashing through rainfall data, knowing an outcome I want it to support; and italicizing something like absolute best with an exclamation point; when that just randomly fell out of the data without correlating to anything meaningful.
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The best offenses can have off days. Also, because these are opponent-adjusted a strong-but-not-insane game against a bad opponent can have weird effects. But you expect something sorted by variance to be kinda scattershot, and you definitely expect both the very best and very worst to be sorted to the "low variance" side. In fact it's probably biased to the bottom, it's easy to be consistently terrible, consistently excellent is harder.
Anyway, yes, there are lots of problems with this exercise, it was just an easy "data I have available to me" check on our expectations. If anyone has a better suggestion for some way beyond the eye test to see if Stanford's variance is atypical, I'm all ears.
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - 82lsju - 12-06-2017
interesting chart showing why players should pick the school not the coach.....
![[Image: cotd126.png]](http://static5.businessinsider.com/image/5a281d98f914c35b018b8450-1200/cotd126.png)
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - qwerty49 - 12-06-2017
Thats what I get for being too distracted on my phone and too lazy to look things up!
Ill just wait until we open at Bama in 2050. :)
(12-06-2017, 09:46 AM)CTcard link Wrote:[quote author=qwerty49 link=topic=18293.msg217284#msg217284 date=1512578204]
LOL my bad. Is it 2019? Make that 21 months and Speights then!
As far as I know, Stanford has no future games scheduled with Rice.
Would seem likely they would schedule them at some point.
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Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - BostonCard - 12-06-2017
(12-06-2017, 09:36 AM)qwerty49 link Wrote:LOL my bad. Is it 2019? Make that 21 months and Speights then!
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Well, Bloomgren has 9 months to communicate to his DC all the ins and outs and vulnerabilities of our offense. I hope Scarlett gets used to the sight of those edge rushers.
Maybe well counter with the single wing!
but we don't play Rice in 2018......
http://www.gostanford.com/news/2017/11/15/football-schedule-unveiled.aspx
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Yeah, we already had our home-and-home series with Rice; at home for the last game of the season last year, and "at Rice" in Sydney for the first game of this season.
BC
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - teejers1 - 12-06-2017
"ain't broke" =Â :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
[where is that head-banging emoji when you need it?]
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - JJJ - 12-06-2017
Didn't realize the phrase only became popular in the '70s.
Quote:The thought may be Stone Age but the phrase 'if it ain't broke don't fix it', which sounds as though it might come from the Roosevelt or Truman era, is more recent than that. This one is widely attributed to T. Bert (Thomas Bertram) Lance, the Director of the Office of Management and Budget in Jimmy Carter's 1977 administration. He was quoted in the newsletter of the US Chamber of Commerce, Nation's Business, May 1977:
  Bert Lance believes he can save Uncle Sam billions if he can get the government to adopt a simple motto: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." He explains: "That's the trouble with government: Fixing things that aren't broken and not fixing things that are broken."
https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/if-it-aint-broke-dont-fix-it.html
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - CowboyIndian - 12-06-2017
Not sure but it sounds like Darrell Royal.
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - cardinaljacket - 12-06-2017
I would love to see Norm Chow back as an offensive coordinator at Stanford. You could then relieve Tavita Pritchard of his QB coaching duties and go after a dedicated O-line coach.Â
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - gocard14 - 12-06-2017
Ive always heard of Chow described as an offensive guru, but have generally found his offenses very unimpressive at his multiple stops. What is his selling point?
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - winflop - 12-06-2017
(12-06-2017, 06:55 PM)cardinaljacket link Wrote:I would love to see Norm Chow back as an offensive coordinator at Stanford. You could then relieve Tavita Pritchard of his QB coaching duties and go after a dedicated O-line coach.
No longer and either/or choice between QB & OL coach. NCAA is allowing a 10th coach now, so hopefully we will have a new OC, OL, and QB coaches
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - cardinaljacket - 12-06-2017
He is a proven offensive coordinator at the college level. He is considered a quarterback guru. He has NFL coaching experience. He has instant cache. Much like Akina, he probably wouldn't be looking to move on to bigger and better things even if he is successful.Â
From his Wikipedia page: Chow previously held the offensive coordinator position for the Utah Utes, UCLA Bruins, the NFL's Tennessee Titans, USC Trojans, NC State Wolfpack, and BYU Cougars. Chow won the 2002 Broyles Award as the nation's top collegiate assistant coach. He also was named the 2002 NCAA Division I-A Offensive Coordinator of the Year by American Football Monthly and was named the National Assistant Coach of the Year in 1999 by the American Football Foundation. He is well known for developing quarterbacks. During his time as an assistant football coach, Chow has helped coach 8 of the top 14 career passing-efficiency leaders and 13 quarterbacks who rank among the top 30 in NCAA history for single-season passing yardage. The list of players he coached includes Jim McMahon, Steve Young, and Philip Rivers, as well as Voldemort Trophy winners Ty Detmer, Carson Palmer, and Matt Leinart.
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - CardinalSagehen - 12-06-2017
(12-06-2017, 06:21 PM)JJJ link Wrote:Didn't realize the phrase only became popular in the '70s.
Quote:The thought may be Stone Age but the phrase 'if it ain't broke don't fix it', which sounds as though it might come from the Roosevelt or Truman era, is more recent than that. This one is widely attributed to T. Bert (Thomas Bertram) Lance, the Director of the Office of Management and Budget in Jimmy Carter's 1977 administration. He was quoted in the newsletter of the US Chamber of Commerce, Nation's Business, May 1977:
  Bert Lance believes he can save Uncle Sam billions if he can get the government to adopt a simple motto: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." He explains: "That's the trouble with government: Fixing things that aren't broken and not fixing things that are broken."
https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/if-it-aint-broke-dont-fix-it.html
A bit OT, but interesting! Based on a quick search of the website TheCARDboard.org, the earliest known use of the term "Shawgren" was by Publius in November 2014. But the term didn't gain mass popularity until Stanford's offense stalled egregiously @ Northwestern on September 5, 2015, after which extensive hand-wringing and Shawgrenning occurred in fan circles. This appears to be when Shawgren took on its current pejorative connotations.Â
Note that if you search for "Shawgren" on this website, you receive the following suggestion: "You may have meant to search for chagrin." (italics mine) I'm guessing this is due to solid phonetic matching by the underlying search engine, not due to teejers having hacked the source code of the site. ;)
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - Mick - 12-06-2017
(12-06-2017, 07:14 PM)cardinaljacket link Wrote:He is a proven offensive coordinator at the college level. He is considered a quarterback guru. He has NFL coaching experience. He has instant cache. Much like Akina, he probably wouldn't be looking to move on to bigger and better things even if he is successful.Â
From his Wikipedia page: Chow previously held the offensive coordinator position for the Utah Utes, UCLA Bruins, the NFL's Tennessee Titans, U$C Literature's Most Famous Losers, NC State Wolfpack, and BYU Cougars. Chow won the 2002 Broyles Award as the nation's top collegiate assistant coach. He also was named the 2002 NCAA Division I-A Offensive Coordinator of the Year by American Football Monthly and was named the National Assistant Coach of the Year in 1999 by the American Football Foundation. He is well known for developing quarterbacks. During his time as an assistant football coach, Chow has helped coach 8 of the top 14 career passing-efficiency leaders and 13 quarterbacks who rank among the top 30 in NCAA history for single-season passing yardage. The list of players he coached includes Jim McMahon, Steve Young, and Philip Rivers, as well as  Trophy winners Ty Detmer, Carson Palmer, and Matt Leinart.
I seem to recall that a knock on Norm Chow was that he was disinterested in recruiting, particularly as he aged.
His OC years were quite productive. He was the Titans' OC from '05 to '07, finishing 21st, 16th and 22nd in offense.
His last year at UCLA (2010), he was #103. His last year at Utah (2011), they were #106 in FBS for total offense. Oops.
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - CowboyIndian - 12-06-2017
(12-06-2017, 07:14 PM)cardinaljacket link Wrote:He has instant cache.
But it's hidden.
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? How can we get Troy Walters away from Nebraska? - ADPATERSON - 12-07-2017
How can we not beat an offer from Freeze-yer-Keester Nebraska to bring Troy Walters back to the Farm from UCF with Frost leaving?
GO GET TROY WALTERS AS OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR !
[Perhaps Shaw is already talking with the former Stanford wideout, Biletnikoff winner in 1999 as All-American WR.Â
Booked almost 4,000 yards over 4 years on the Farm].Â
Troy Walters is a genuine role model for young men in the prime of life. And, UCF (Orlando) went 12-0 this season, as the leading team in the second tier Group of Five conferences -- after going 0-12 in 2015 before Walters and Scott Frost were hired. Biggest turnaround in NCAA history. Coming from a FL public university (>60,000 students), we should have no problem puting together the right package. Walters gets a premiere recruiting platform in a Pac12 championship level program -- and he gets to come back home.
Values, academics, pride in performance, dedication. He would fit Shaw's M.O. perfectly.Â
Get him on a plane and greet him with sunglasses and a Stanford T-shirt. What is the problem?
https://ucf.rivals.com/news/ucf-interim-coach-troy-walters-talks-transition-peach-bowl-berth
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - Snorlax94 - 12-08-2017
Yes, Troy coming back as an OC sounds incredible. The timing seems perfect.
I think the concern is not on our end, its that Troy could get a HC offer somewhere.
Regarding Norm Chow, I was a fan of his, but I think itd be an unwise move for Stanford. When he want back to UH, I thought itd be a perfect fit, but they continued to struggle, terribly. I dont recall any offensive innovation (like weve seen from Lane Kiffin) to outperform their budget and recruiting shortfalls. I worry he hasnt executed at a high level in a long time.
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - magnus - 12-08-2017
article in the chron about what attracted Bloomgren to Rice.
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/rice/article/New-Rice-coach-Mike-Bloomgren-excited-about-12411640.php
Quote:He said Rice was one of five schools his family considered as favorable destinations because of the academic culture and the standards to which student-athletes are held.