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RE: Cristobal leaving Oregon - murky - 12-10-2021
(12-10-2021, 09:09 AM)82lsju Wrote:(12-10-2021, 08:46 AM)Beeg_Dawg Wrote: [quote="yvonne" pid='337690' dateline='1639116841']
Could be a ploy for an extension at UCLA.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/JHWreporter/status/1469156972515655681?s=20[/tweet]
When Kelly left Oregon, wasn't there some NCAA issue that caused him to jump? Similar to Pete Carroll leaving USC? If that is so, doesn't the NCAA violation follow him back to Oregon?
I read the linked story. Funny, says Chip Kelly didn't directly do anything, only failed to control other coaches who gave cash and lodging to recruits.
Hmm, you'd think cash to recruits is high on the list of no nos.
Quote:Well, Chip didn’t really do anything at all. Apparently he wasn’t even directly involved with the violation that occurred. The coach’s only fault in this was his failure to monitor the activities of a staff member who improperly provided cash and lodging to recruits, which according to Ivan Maisel for ESPN.com, Kelly was unaware were taking place.
RE: Cristobal leaving Oregon - SamuelMcF - 12-10-2021
Apparently Jahlil Florence (4* DB who decommitted the other day) was saying on Instagram Live while reacting to Mario's departure that if the replacement is Kelly or Wilcox, he's out.
Well, he's out...
RE: Cristobal leaving Oregon - DC 86 - 12-10-2021
(12-10-2021, 02:51 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote: Apparently Jahlil Florence (4* DB who decommitted the other day) was saying on Instagram Live while reacting to Mario's departure that if the replacement is Kelly or Wilcox, he's out.
Well, he's out...
How does he feel about Dan Lanning?
(it's looking almost certain that Lanning is going to be the next head coach)
RE: Cristobal leaving Oregon - needle - 12-10-2021
(12-10-2021, 03:03 PM)DC 86 Wrote:(12-10-2021, 02:51 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote: Apparently Jahlil Florence (4* DB who decommitted the other day) was saying on Instagram Live while reacting to Mario's departure that if the replacement is Kelly or Wilcox, he's out.
Well, he's out...
How does he feel about Dan Lanning?
(it's looking almost certain that Lanning is going to be the next head coach)
Lanning is almost certainly a good recruiter, but there are actually a lot of coaches who could bring in talent yet failed pretty miserably.
Oregon is gambling with this hire.
RE: Cristobal leaving Oregon - DC 86 - 12-10-2021
(12-10-2021, 03:24 PM)needle Wrote:(12-10-2021, 03:03 PM)DC 86 Wrote:(12-10-2021, 02:51 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote: Apparently Jahlil Florence (4* DB who decommitted the other day) was saying on Instagram Live while reacting to Mario's departure that if the replacement is Kelly or Wilcox, he's out.
Well, he's out...
How does he feel about Dan Lanning?
(it's looking almost certain that Lanning is going to be the next head coach)
Lanning is almost certainly a good recruiter, but there are actually a lot of coaches who could bring in talent yet failed pretty miserably.
Oregon is gambling with this hire.
Any hire is a gamble, moreso someone without head coaching experience. But he's not just a recruiter, his unit has been very impressive.
RE: Cristobal leaving Oregon - BostonCard - 12-10-2021
So, will it be Lanning or not?
https://www.si.com/college/cal/news/lanning-to-oregon-conflicting
With regards to messing up recruiting right before the early signing period, remember that all these schools can supplement whatever they don’t get via recruiting through the transfer portal.
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RE: Cristobal leaving Oregon - BostonCard - 12-11-2021
Looks like it won’t be Sitake.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32838707/byu-cougars-give-coach-kalani-sitake-unprecedented-new-deal-2027-season
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RE: Cristobal leaving Oregon - Farm93 - 12-11-2021
(12-11-2021, 10:54 AM)BostonCard Wrote: Looks like it won’t be Sitake.Dan Lanning - The DC for Georgia.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32838707/byu-cougars-give-coach-kalani-sitake-unprecedented-new-deal-2027-season
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That's about right to me. He was making $1.25million and was considered for at least one other Power5 HC role. Dan Lanning has coached at a few places along the way.
It will be interesting to see if he can recruit in the Pac-12 footprint for Oregon, but I think hiring a talented DC rather than a big name demonstrates that the University of Oregon is pretty comfortable with the state of the program.
RE: Cristobal leaving Oregon - yvonne - 12-11-2021
Oregonian now confirming https://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/2021/12/oregon-ducks-hiring-georgia-defensive-coordinator-dan-lanning-per-source.html
RE: Cristobal leaving Oregon - BostonCard - 12-11-2021
On the one hand, he’s a superior recruiter and an outstanding defensive mind, so if there is a coordinator who you might predíct would do well, I think it would be Lanning. On the flip side, I wonder if he would bolt for a better job back in the SEC if successful, making him the fourth Oregon coach to leave Oregon for a supposedly better job.
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RE: Cristobal leaving Oregon - Farm93 - 12-11-2021
(12-11-2021, 05:50 PM)BostonCard Wrote: On the one hand, he’s a superior recruiter and an outstanding defensive mind, so if there is a coordinator who you might predíct would do well, I think it would be Lanning. On the flip side, I wonder if he would bolt for a better job back in the SEC if successful, making him the fourth Oregon coach to leave Oregon for a supposedly better job.Of course he will bolt. That's D1 college football in 2021. He likely believes he can get a 10 win season in the first year or two. Then he can use that CFP/NY6 appearance to return to the SEC for one of those upper mid-tier SEC jobs and get $9 or $10 million per year. He has no history in Oregon, but likely believes it will be easier to get that first NY6/CFP game at Oregon than other places.
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If anyone asks why Oregon he will say he is impressed with Oregon's resources and history. He will say he is happy at Oregon right until the day he leaves. If he has any level of success, he will leave before the 2025 season.
FWIW when Shaw is ultimately replaced as the coach, Stanford will likely have a similar hiring strategy. If they have any success in year one or two, they too will bolt ASAP for more prestigious roles.
Even with that perspective I think it is better to go the Oregon route than the SC route. The Oregon route implies they wanted to find a coach capable of building a winner focused on the skills of the players. The USC route implies they wanted a big name to sell more tickets, pacify alums that remember better times decades ago, and get a bit of media attention in a market that really no longer cares about college football.
RE: Cristobal leaving Oregon - BostonCard - 12-11-2021
I am still somewhat surprised that Oregon hasn’t taken the next step and just dumped oodles of money on a coach they want to keep. Of course, it is possible that they didn’t really want to keep Kelley and his NCAA sanctions, Taggert who flamed out at FSU, or Crystobal whose recruiting was excellent but who underperformed on the field. I think If they wanted to get a forever coach, they could have picked Wilcox, but my guess is that, contra OutsiderFan, they weren’t sold on his coaching abilities. I wonder if they will come to regret that.
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RE: Cristobal leaving Oregon - DC 86 - 12-11-2021
(12-11-2021, 07:54 PM)Farm93 Wrote: The Oregon route implies they wanted to find a coach capable of building a winner focused on the skills of the players. The USC route implies they wanted a big name to sell more tickets, pacify alums that remember better times decades ago, and get a bit of media attention in a market that really no longer cares about college football.
I think Lanning is a very promising hire but there's no head coaching track record to draw conclusions from.
Riley is 55-10 with four conference championships in five seasons and three playoff appearances. He's coached two transfers to Voldemort trophies. He has a third transfer QB also starting in the NFL. He's had 25 players drafted (14 in the first three rounds.) It's ridiculous to dismiss him as just a "big name to sell more tickets" and to say that hiring him isn't about "building a winner focused on the skills of the players" given that's exactly what he's already done at one of the biggest programs in the country.
(12-11-2021, 08:04 PM)BostonCard Wrote: I am still somewhat surprised that Oregon hasn’t taken the next step and just dumped oodles of money on a coach they want to keep. Of course, it is possible that they didn’t really want to keep Kelley and his NCAA sanctions, Taggert who flamed out at FSU, or Crystobal whose recruiting was excellent but who underperformed on the field. I think If they wanted to get a forever coach, they could have picked Wilcox, but my guess is that, contra OutsiderFan, they weren’t sold on his coaching abilities. I wonder if they will come to regret that.
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I think prioritizing the hiring of a "forever coach" is a recipe for mediocrity. The optimal strategy is always to hire the best head coach you can and hope that you can keep him if he's successful.
There's no evidence that Wilcox is an above average coach, much less an elite coach. He may be an excellent coach but it's unprovable. But in any case I suspect that Oregon was more concerned about his recruiting abilities than his actual coaching abilities. Any program that aspires to compete at the highest levels of the sport is recognizing that recruiting is the priority. Nobody questions Dan Mullen's Xs&Os but substandard recruiting did him in.
RE: Cristobal leaving Oregon - BostonCard - 12-11-2021
I think it is a recipe for mediocrity if that is the only metric you look at. But instability from having coaches leave for greener pastures is also a recipe for poor results. Not all coaching hires pan out. It took us three tries to hire Harbaugh after Willingham left, and while the next Oregon coaches won’t have to contend with admissions, they might still be the Oregon analogies to Teevens and Harris.
That being said, I agree that Outsider’s Wilcox stanning seems a bit out of whack with accomplishments to date. He may be the best that Cal can manage, but that might still not be enough to match expectations at Oregon. And I agree that Wilcox’ recruiting has not impressed, even if he does do a pretty good job at getting the most out of the guys he lands.
Ultimately, to make it to the top requires both recruiting and coaching chops. Cristobal was good at the former, but a loss to a bad Stanford team and two bad losses to Utah call into question the latter. Duck fans aren’t looking for a coach to take them to the Alamo bowl. So Oregon may view Cristobal’s departure to Miami in much the same way that Washington viewed Sarkisian’s departure to USC. He was doing well enough that it would have been tough to fire him, but not so well that it was worth overbidding to keep him.
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RE: Cristobal leaving Oregon - Goose - 12-11-2021
(12-11-2021, 09:35 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Ultimately, to make it to the top requires both recruiting and coaching chops. Cristobal was good at the former, but a loss to a bad Stanford team and two bad losses to Utah call into question the latter. Duck fans aren’t looking for a coach to take them to the Alamo bowl. So Oregon may view Cristobal’s departure to Miami in much the same way that Washington viewed Sarkisian’s departure to USC. He was doing well enough that it would have been tough to fire him, but not so well that it was worth overbidding to keep him.Agree, and I think it is an apt analogy. Many Oregon fans had decided Cristobal had reached his ceiling. Fans are often wrong, but I suspect the "powers that be" (Knight et al) probably agreed. Cristobal never presented a persona of great competence. He had a bit of Clay Helton in him. When Oregon won, it always seemed Cristobal was just "present". It was never because he did anything remarkable. However,when they lost, it was usually in the presence of questionable coaching decisions. There were also cases where his team just didn't show up.
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RE: Cristobal leaving Oregon - DC 86 - 12-11-2021
(12-11-2021, 09:50 PM)Goose Wrote: Many Oregon fans had decided Cristobal had reached his ceiling. Fans are often wrong, but I suspect the "powers that be" (Knight et al) probably agreed. Cristobal never presented a persona of great competence. He had a bit of Clay Helton in him. When Oregon won, it always seemed Cristobal was just "present". It was never because he did anything remarkable. However,when they lost, it was usually in the presence of questionable coaching decisions. There were also cases where his team just didn't show up.
Well, they did offer him more than $7 million per year to stay.
RE: Cristobal leaving Oregon - Austroturf - 12-12-2021
Lanning is only 35 and landed his first graduate assistant position in 2011 at Pitt. In the last 10 years, he has been at Pitt, Arizona State, Sam Houston State, Alabama, Memphis and Georgia; and at Georgia, he was promoted to DC after the 2018 season when Mel Tucker left for Colorado.
Contrast this coaching path with Pritchard's, who is one year younger (34), was hired as a graduate assistant in 2010 at Stanford (Harbaugh's last year), had a number of assistant roles on defense and offense, became OC after the 2017 season and has been in that role for 4 years now. Would any program of Oregon's caliber be looking to hire Tavita as head coach? With the number of coaching slots being filled right now in Division 1 football, the answer is a clear "no".
Maybe Lanning will be a bust at Oregon, and the young gun will be run out of Eugene after two seasons. But the point I have been hammering on for the last three seasons is the caliber of Shaw's staff: it does not measure up to the best coaching staffs in the country; and unless that is fixed, we will not see any significant improvement.
And will Georgia be looking to poach Lance Anderson to replace Lanning? Not a chance.
RE: Cristobal leaving Oregon - McKenwood - 12-12-2021
Apparently Justin Wilcox turned down the job. Not sure what was going on with this search. They set their sights pretty low.
https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/john_canzano/2021/12/canzano-a-twist-justin-wilcox-turned-down-the-oregon-ducks.html
RE: Cristobal leaving Oregon - JohnR34231 - 12-12-2021
(12-12-2021, 01:45 PM)McKenwood Wrote: Apparently Justin Wilcox turned down the job. Not sure what was going on with this search. They set their sights pretty low.
https://www.oregonlive.com/sports/john_canzano/2021/12/canzano-a-twist-justin-wilcox-turned-down-the-oregon-ducks.html
I have never been all that impressed with Wilcox, but a lot of people apparently are.
So we'll see if he does something in the future to justify this. Slightly better than mediocre records at Kal doesn't do it for me.
RE: Cristobal leaving Oregon - BostonCard - 12-12-2021
That’s my reaction as well, but I’m open to having my mind changed.
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