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Re: WBB: 2017 recruiting - Jskass - 10-08-2016

And we get PR for it:

http://www.espn.com/espnw/sports/article/17749584/stanford-cardinal-get-verbal-commitment-no-8-prospect-kiana-williams



Re: WBB: 2017 recruiting - TheFarm07 - 10-08-2016

Looking forward to a Sniezek-Wilson-Williams backcourt for a couple of years

Re: WBB: 2017 recruiting - 2006alum - 10-09-2016

Great news! Hopefully Dodson, Moschkau, and our mystery #4 will follow soon. Crazy to think we haven't had a top ten recruit at guard in over a decade - since Wiggins in 2004.

That said, it's hard to know how these things shake out. Going by ESPN, Tinkle was #10 her year, Ruef #16, and Sara James #18. Incredible to think how much more we got out of folks like Lili (unranked), Bonnie (#60), and Karlie (#77). Does make you take this all with a grain of salt...

Re: WBB: 2017 recruiting - 81alum - 10-09-2016

(10-09-2016, 09:02 AM)2006alum link Wrote:Great news! Hopefully Dodson, Moschkau, and our mystery #4 will follow soon. Crazy to think we haven't had a top ten recruit at guard in over a decade - since Wiggins in 2004.

That said, it's hard to know how these things shake out. Going by ESPN, Tinkle was #10 her year, Ruef #16, and Sara James #18. Incredible to think how much more we got out of folks like Lili (unranked), Bonnie (#60), and Karlie (#77). Does make you take this all with a grain of salt...
Yes.  A few years ago when I went over every recruit for a decade, it seemed as if being ranked in the top half dozen or so did pretty much guarantee three or four years as a starter, but everything else was unpredictable.  Higher rankings did tend to correlate with more time starting, but it was a loose correlation and nothing terribly firm.  The coaches never wish to say they made a "mistake" but it is very hard to know from observation alone whether a talented high school player will transition well to the college game.  Just like we can point to Lili or Bonnie who came from well down in the rankings to be important contributors, we can look at very highly rated players like Tinkle and Ruef who took years to develop into strong contributors and never became as  dominant on the offensive end as we hoped.  Or contrast Kailee (20) with Kaylee (30) or consider Taylor Rooks (18).  Beebe (11) reminds us that injuries can change everything, too.  It seems like a very inexact science.  It also must be one that is frustrating or even infuriating to the players involved.

Obviously, those coaches who can do a better job predicting college success than the rating services will tend to have better teams.  Tara has repeatedly shown that she and her staff can find talent that others relatively overlook.

This was an interesting article on the subject in its day:
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/womens/news/story?id=5050890

Re: WBB: 2017 recruiting - BobK - 10-09-2016

Bonnie was top 25 late in the rankings. Then politics.  😬

But this open board. 😄



Re: WBB: 2017 recruiting - 2006alum - 10-09-2016

That was a fun read to look back (wistfully!). Funny how at the time we were oversaturated with bigs and needed more wings and guards. Now we have the opposite problem - we've had a steady pipeline of short, speedy guards from Amber to Lili to Marta to Anna and now Kiana. And we've had lots of great wings/shooting guards: Bonnie, Karlie, McPhee, Alanna. But we've really been hurting underneath the basket on offense. I really do wonder how different things would have looked over the past four years had Beebe not had to medically retire.

Re: WBB: 2017 recruiting - CompSci87 - 10-09-2016

(10-09-2016, 10:22 AM)2006alum link Wrote:That was a fun read to look back (wistfully!). Funny how at the time we were oversaturated with bigs and needed more wings and guards. Now we have the opposite problem - we've had a steady pipeline of short, speedy guards from Amber to Lili to Marta to Anna and now Kiana. And we've had lots of great wings/shooting guards: Bonnie, Karlie, McPhee, Alanna. But we've really been hurting underneath the basket on offense. I really do wonder how different things would have looked over the past four years had Beebe not had to medically retire.

It also struck me how many of the ranked Stanford recruits listed in the article had their careers detailed by injury.

Re: WBB: 2017 recruiting - TheFarm07 - 10-09-2016

(10-09-2016, 10:22 AM)2006alum link Wrote:That was a fun read to look back (wistfully!). Funny how at the time we were oversaturated with bigs and needed more wings and guards. Now we have the opposite problem - we've had a steady pipeline of short, speedy guards from Amber to Lili to Marta to Anna and now Kiana. And we've had lots of great wings/shooting guards: Bonnie, Karlie, McPhee, Alanna. But we've really been hurting underneath the basket on offense. I really do wonder how different things would have looked over the past four years had Beebe not had to medically retire.

I was just thinking the same thing. We had Appel and then the Ogwumike sisters so our star players were in the post and our very noticeable weakness was our lack of agile productive guards as painfully exposed in our national semifinal loss to Texas A&M in 2011.

Now we have a pipeline of speedy guards with the potential to score, but we are losing the battle inside. The last couple years we have given the opposition too many second chances with offensive rebounds. I'm hoping Fingall will help with that aspect and maybe we can find a post with the ability to start either with our mystery 4th recruit or someone in the 2018 class.

Re: WBB: 2017 recruiting - 81alum - 10-09-2016

The lack of posts has been noticed by our coaches.  As Kate just said last summer:
Quote:It feels like there are fewer and fewer really true big body posts out there. But we're always looking for that, always looking for great point guards, always looking for kids who can shoot. So the kids that are in the mix right now are all positions, really.


Re: WBB: 2017 recruiting - BobK - 10-09-2016

Estella Moschkau commits to Stanford.  We are on a roll

Changed to the correct spelling

Re: WBB: 2017 recruiting - TheFarm07 - 10-09-2016

(10-09-2016, 06:48 PM)BobK link Wrote:Estella Moshkau commits to Stanford.  We are in a roll

Great! Hoping Dodson is next!

Re: WBB: 2017 recruiting - 81alum - 10-09-2016

(10-09-2016, 07:03 PM)TheFarm07 link Wrote:[quote author=BobK link=topic=12313.msg175318#msg175318 date=1476064113]
Estella Moschkau commits to Stanford.  We are in a roll

Great! Hoping Dodson is next!
[/quote]

Hurrah!  A quality 6'2" wing

Quote:Verona girls basketball coach Angie Murphy, who led her team to the WIAA Division 1 state title last season, said Moschkau can hit the 3-point shot, score off the dribble and post up. “She’s such a defensive matchup nightmare with her size and versatility

http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/high-school/basketball/girls/prep-girls-basketball-edgewood-s-estella-moschkau-orally-commits-to/article_0bf8df00-9ce7-599b-bd89-3477fd86e4a8.html

Quote:Agile perimeter performer with tweener-4 game; stretches the defense to the arc; interior game exploits mismatches, finishes plays in traffic; active on glass; versatile. (Olson)


Re: WBB: 2017 recruiting - BobK - 10-09-2016

Moschkau is the correct spelling.  I corrected my post.  But hey the writer spelled it both ways.  Welcome Estella. 

Re: WBB: 2017 recruiting - 2006alum - 10-09-2016

Fantastic! Sounds like she'll be great at the 3 or stretch 4. Welcome to the Farm, Estella!

Re: WBB: 2017 recruiting - BobK - 10-11-2016

The other potential is now a commit. 

https://twitter.com/Raoul_000/status/785884303590723584

Re: WBB: 2017 recruiting - CompSci87 - 10-11-2016

Great news!

Re: WBB: 2017 recruiting - TheFarm07 - 10-11-2016

(10-11-2016, 10:23 AM)BobK link Wrote:The other potential is now a commit. 

https://twitter.com/Raoul_000/status/785884303590723584

Hopefully, she's a hidden gem.

Now waiting on Dodson to fill out the class!

Re: WBB: 2017 recruiting - 2006alum - 10-12-2016

Terrific news! Do we know much about her? She's not ranked by ESPN or ProspectsNation.

This summer she played for the Canadian U18 and U17 FIBA teams. At the U18 in Chile she was Canada's leading scorer and rebounder (15.8 pts per game/9.4 rebounds) (and Mikaela Brewer was second leading scorer for Canada in that tournament).

At the U17 in Spain she was the second leading scorer (10.3 pts per game/4.5 rebounds). Note that she was 16 years old for both tournaments, which makes her performance at the U18 especially impressive!

So at a minimum she seems like one of the top prospects out of Canada, right?

Re: WBB: 2017 recruiting - CompSci87 - 10-12-2016

I watched a bunch of the U18 games to see how Mikaela Brewer looked, but at the time I didn't know we were recruiting Alyssa Jerome too, so I wasn't paying attention to her particularly. I think I do remember the announcers calling out her name a lot -- which makes sense with her being the leading scorer! I didn't realize she was the leading rebounder too.

Getting both recruits seems like quite a coup for Tara.

Here are a few links...

https://www.thestar.com/sports/basketballjourneys/2016/10/03/alyssa-jerome.html (was linked from the Twitter post above, copied here just in case you missed it)

http://crownscoutgirls.com/latest-news/alyssa-jerome-makes-university-decision-official/

http://crownscoutgirls.com/latest-news/2016-labour-day-rankings/2/

http://onpointbasketball.com/canada-wins-gold-at-fiba-u16-americas-for-the-first-time/

http://topprospects.ca/blog/canada-basketball-national-championships-u15-wbb-top-5-prospects/ (older link)




Re: WBB: 2017 recruiting - BobK - 10-12-2016

Jerome has been listed on PN.  For a long time one of the top 4 International recruits.  Now they list 8 or so but they don't rank. 

Dodson still has one visit, ND.Â