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RE: NBA Discussion - Mick - 08-29-2024
(08-29-2024, 02:12 PM)TrumpCard Wrote: The Warriors paid 62mm to extend Curry's contract through the 2026-2027 season. I would be interested in y'all's view as to whether this contract is a good value proposition or whether the Warriors should be looking to rebuild by that time. Regardless, I wish Curry and the Warriors the best (when they're not playing the Lakers).
I think so. He's a link to past greatness. People will always come out to see him, they think -- no matter what -- that an NBA championship is still possible as long as he's on the court, like Kareem in 1988 (40), Parish in 1997 (43), or even Andre Iguodala (38) in 2022. Oldest point guard was Jason Kidd at 37. Kerr was 37 during his last championship. Cousy retired after his fifth consecutive championship at age 34, with probably a little bit more in the tank. The Celtics won the next three consecutive championships.
When Draymond and Curry retire, presumably after 2027, I expect attendance will fall off quite a bit.
RE: NBA Discussion - French Rage - 08-29-2024
(08-29-2024, 04:55 PM)TrumpCard Wrote:(08-29-2024, 03:12 PM)French Rage Wrote: LeBron certainly didn't do himself any favors with The Decision; I think that turned a lot of people off from him for a number of years. But once you get past that youthful indiscretion, as another poster mentioned there are a lot of things to like about him. And he's simply a great player and his records speak for themselves; people can argue how much of an all-time great, but his level of play for 20+ years is impressive. But as another poster mentioned, danged if I don't find myself ever rooting for him in the NBA; in the late 00s I was a Pistons fan so his Cav teams were going up against the end of that era Pistons in the playoffs; in the early 10s I don't think anyone outside of south Florida wanted the heat to win squat; and during the late 10s even though it was cool he was with the Cavs I was rooting for the Warriors; and same with the Lakers of the 20s. So while I'm always rooting against him I still think he's a great player and seems like a decent guy. But as yet even another poster said, he had the unfortunateness (?) to be around the same time as Curry who tics a lot of those boxes without the downside of The Decision and is playing for a Bay Area team, so to this area he was always the "other" when it came playoff time.
This is a lovely attempt to mediate. You're right of course that few NBA fans would root for a superstar playing for a rival of "their" team. I certainly never rooted for Larry Bird or Tim Duncan. My only critique of your position is that you've made it seem like you're just echoing what cardcrimson said above. But cardcrimson said that he would never want LeBron to be a Warrior because LeBron is "Narcissus in a uni." As you've said, however, LeBron seems like a decent guy as far as star pro athletes go. To my knowledge, he hasn't harmed team chemistry anyplace he's been. He even won a championship with Kyrie Irving, a player who's been toxic on other teams. I see no reason that LeBron wouldn't be a great fit on the Warriors (or virtually any other team), but I'd be happy if no other team wanted him so he could just remain a Laker until Father Time ultimately wins its battle with him.
I mean it's ultimately beyond my control where he does. If he were to join the Warriors I'd root for them because I like them and the ridiculous of it would be fun, like with KD. If he didn't I'd root against him when he's playing the Warriors. We really don't need to overthink this folks.
RE: NBA Discussion - Mick - 11-07-2024
I'm glad LeBron didn't join the Warriors. I'm very happy with the blend of talent they have now. Old guard Steph, Draymond, and Wiggins. Excellent experienced role players in GP2 and Looney. Young rising stars Kuminga, Moody, Jackson-Davis and Podziemski. Three free agents who are really adding a lot in Buddy Hield, Kyle Anderson and De'Anthony Melton. And Lindy Waters is terrific fun to watch. Love the additions of the new coaches Stackhouse and Stotts.
They have the largest average scoring margin in the NBA (yes, I know they had a weak early schedule). They beat the Celtics on the road by six in a clutch win. And everyone is contributing, they are legitimately 13 deep.
The Warriors are 7-1, with five of their wins coming on the road. Tomorrow night, they play the last undefeated team in the NBA, the Cavaliers. Should be fun.
RE: NBA Discussion - TrumpCard - 11-08-2024
(11-07-2024, 11:11 AM)Mick Wrote: I'm glad LeBron didn't join the Warriors. I'm very happy with the blend of talent they have now. Old guard Steph, Draymond, and Wiggins. Excellent experienced role players in GP2 and Looney. Young rising stars Kuminga, Moody, Jackson-Davis and Podziemski. Three free agents who are really adding a lot in Buddy Hield, Kyle Anderson and De'Anthony Melton. And Lindy Waters is terrific fun to watch. Love the additions of the new coaches Stackhouse and Stotts.
They have the largest average scoring margin in the NBA (yes, I know they had a weak early schedule). They beat the Celtics on the road by six in a clutch win. And everyone is contributing, they are legitimately 13 deep.
The Warriors are 7-1, with five of their wins coming on the road. Tomorrow night, they play the last undefeated team in the NBA, the Cavaliers. Should be fun.
Glad you are happy. I don't know who GS would or could have traded anyway, so Lakers fans also are thrilled that they didn't part with LeBron for whatever scraps GS might have been offering.
RE: NBA Discussion - Mick - 11-09-2024
(11-08-2024, 07:10 PM)TrumpCard Wrote:(11-07-2024, 11:11 AM)Mick Wrote: I'm glad LeBron didn't join the Warriors. I'm very happy with the blend of talent they have now. Old guard Steph, Draymond, and Wiggins. Excellent experienced role players in GP2 and Looney. Young rising stars Kuminga, Moody, Jackson-Davis and Podziemski. Three free agents who are really adding a lot in Buddy Hield, Kyle Anderson and De'Anthony Melton. And Lindy Waters is terrific fun to watch. Love the additions of the new coaches Stackhouse and Stotts.
They have the largest average scoring margin in the NBA (yes, I know they had a weak early schedule). They beat the Celtics on the road by six in a clutch win. And everyone is contributing, they are legitimately 13 deep.
The Warriors are 7-1, with five of their wins coming on the road. Tomorrow night, they play the last undefeated team in the NBA, the Cavaliers. Should be fun.
Glad you are happy. I don't know who GS would or could have traded anyway, so Lakers fans also are thrilled that they didn't part with LeBron for whatever scraps GS might have been offering.
I don't think the Warriors have enough to offer any team for a legitimate superstar. Scraps is the key word. If I was Mike Dunleavy (Warriors GM) I would get rid of Kuminga and Wiggins, if at all possible. Decently athletic with poor basketball instincts and no finishing capability (per Tom Tolbert/KNBR). Kuminga will want a max contract next year, one he really doesn't deserve.
Last night's debacle loss to the Cavaliers just underscored how unready those two are. And for me, it finally closed the gap on Brandin Podziemski's appeal. Poor athleticism (relative to the NBA), but superb instincts and basketball IQ. The only time the Warriors played even with the Cavs was when he was on the floor. I completely understand -- now -- why Podz leads the NBA in +/-.
RE: NBA Discussion - TrumpCard - 11-09-2024
Dunleavy had that chance. Paul George was available for Wiggins, Kuminga and a pick.
RE: NBA Discussion - old spanish trail - 11-09-2024
(11-09-2024, 02:07 PM)TrumpCard Wrote: Dunleavy had that chance. Paul George was available for Wiggins, Kuminga and a pick.
I'm glad they didn't pull that lever. He's always injured.
RE: NBA Discussion - TrumpCard - 11-16-2024
Draymond continues to play dirty:
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/42429171/draymond-green-trip-zach-edey-upgraded-flagrant-1
RE: NBA Discussion - PAsportsfan - 11-16-2024
(11-16-2024, 05:49 PM)TrumpCard Wrote: Draymond continues to play dirty:
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/42429171/draymond-green-trip-zach-edey-upgraded-flagrant-1
With the Klay Thompson homecoming and Curry celebrating at the end of the game, Draymond is feeling lonely this week.
RE: NBA Discussion - old spanish trail - 11-16-2024
(11-16-2024, 05:49 PM)TrumpCard Wrote: Draymond continues to play dirty:
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/42429171/draymond-green-trip-zach-edey-upgraded-flagrant-1
Whaaat? It was a foul, but not a take foul. And, to boot, it was not egregious, imo.
RE: NBA Discussion - Mick - 11-17-2024
Warriors 10-2 and 2nd in the Western Conference.
RE: NBA Discussion - lex24 - 11-17-2024
(11-16-2024, 09:43 PM)old spanish trail Wrote:(11-16-2024, 05:49 PM)TrumpCard Wrote: Draymond continues to play dirty:
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/42429171/draymond-green-trip-zach-edey-upgraded-flagrant-1
Whaaat? It was a foul, but not a take foul. And, to boot, it was not egregious, imo.
Right call. He tried to trip him.
RE: NBA Discussion - old spanish trail - 11-17-2024
(11-17-2024, 08:55 AM)lex24 Wrote:(11-16-2024, 09:43 PM)old spanish trail Wrote:(11-16-2024, 05:49 PM)TrumpCard Wrote: Draymond continues to play dirty:
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/42429171/draymond-green-trip-zach-edey-upgraded-flagrant-1
Whaaat? It was a foul, but not a take foul. And, to boot, it was not egregious, imo.
Right call. He tried to trip him.
Well, yes, he did try to trip him with his toe.:)
RE: NBA Discussion - Mick - 10-25-2025
(11-16-2024, 09:06 PM)PAsportsfan Wrote:(11-16-2024, 05:49 PM)TrumpCard Wrote: Draymond continues to play dirty:
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/42429171/draymond-green-trip-zach-edey-upgraded-flagrant-1
With the Klay Thompson homecoming and Curry celebrating at the end of the game, Draymond is feeling lonely this week.
The Mavericks are 0-2, Klay is averaging 9 PPG, shooting 30% from the floor and 18% from three point range. He'll be 36 in a few months. His ORating (86) - DRating (118) gap is -34, worst on the Mavs by far.
RE: NBA Discussion - Mick - 10-27-2025
The Indiana Pacers completed two transactions involving former Warriors.
First, they signed G Mac McClung to a multi-year contract, his first NBA contract after winning the last three consecutive NBA dunk contests. He was on the Warriors' summer league team in 2022 and played well enough to sign a one-year contract ...but they dumped him. Now he's a Pacer.
Former #2 overall selection, and former Warrior James Wiseman is now a former Pacer. Wiseman just returned from an Achilles tear and played 20 minutes last night. The 7-footer scored 4 points, had 4 rebounds and was -15 in 20 minutes.
Pacers to sign dunk champion Mac McClung, cut James Wiseman - ESPN
Meanwhile, #56 overall pick Will Richard is crushing it and has supplanted GP2 in the rotation:
Golden State expert lays out why Florida's Will Richard is crushing it right now
RE: NBA Discussion - gocard14 - 10-28-2025
A lot of encouraging signs for the Warriors.
1. Steph is still steph, and Jimmy is still Jimmy. As Steph goes, so do the Warriors title hopes, and at some point there will be a drop off. But all indications look good so far.
2. Despite all the summer drama, Kuminga looks to have made a brobdingnagian leap. He is playing within the system, and it seems to have "clicked" in terms of when to keep the ball moving vs. when to attack the rim with his athleticism. And when he attacks, he has been much better about not just putting his head down but using his drive to play make for others. His rebounding is much improved. His shot looks better (though small sample size), and he is playing hard on D, though still has some lapses, especially off ball. He has quickly gone from a "we need to find the right lineups to make him work" to "we can't take this guy off the floor, he makes every lineup better."
Honestly if this is the player he is going to be, the Warriors should only trade him if it's in a package for a true star like Giannis. Otherwise we can negotiate a long term extension and decline next years team option.
3. Will Richard has been a revelation. He isn't just "good for a rookie", he is a legit NBA playoff rotation player, which is absurd to find in the back of the second round. Just a guy who does everything well, with good D, rebounding, shooting, hustle, and playing within the flow of the game. We will have a real logjam at the 2-3 spot once Melton (and Seth) are healthy, and ultimately i see GP2 getting DNPs in the future, perhaps Buddy's minutes coming down some as well.
4. Horford is a perfect/seamless fit.
5. Other back end rotation guys have mixed signals. Moody looked great in pre-season and against memphis and is shooting the cover off the ball, which will obviously recede, but you like what you see. Podz had a rough start, but looked great against Memphis. Post and TJD both look pretty similar, had hoped to see Post look a lot stronger on D but both of them are in their mid 20s and probably are who they are. They are useful role players, but we could probably use an upgrade at the backup center spot if we're making a move at the deadline.
Overall, this looks like a team that should be a top 5 seed in the west, and hopefully do so without relying purely on Steph/Jimmy to carry everything every game. In the Lakers and Grizzlies wins, Steph kind of coasted his way to 20+ points, which is the key to getting him through the season. There will be nights (like against Denver) where we need him to put the cape on, and he can do it, but this is a much more sustainable formula.
RE: NBA Discussion - jacket3ree - 10-28-2025
We went to the Blazer-Warriors game at the Moda Center on Friday. Mostly to hear trash talk from our grandchildren when the Dubs were too tired from the night before to play defense or whatever that game was. Still Kuminga is the type of athlete they need on this team and Steph casually dropped 35 points without anyone really noticing and he came out early.
Feels like a Western Conference Finals team to me this early pending health and a million other things.
RE: Butler tears ACL - triangle2 - 01-20-2026
Jimmy Butler ACL tear probably means he'll miss part of next season too. Funnily, it could mean that they have to keep Kuminga, although a complete tear-down of the roster now seems like it's coming.
Time to pull the emergency tanking procedure lever.
RE: Butler tears ACL - Mick - 01-20-2026
(01-20-2026, 02:26 AM)triangle2 Wrote: Jimmy Butler ACL tear probably means he'll miss part of next season too. Funnily, it could mean that they have to keep Kuminga, although a complete tear-down of the roster now seems like it's coming.
Time to pull the emergency tanking procedure lever.
De'Anthony Melton's been out much of the last year, he was a healthy scratch last night for "ACL injury management." He injured his AC on 11/12/24, season-ending surgery to repair it.
When Butler went out, the Warriors were leading 77-75. They outscored Miami 58-37 the rest of the way. Maybe they'll be okay without Butler, meaning a play-in team. Curry will get more double teams, so he'll get more assists. He had 11 last night (with 19 points), he's only had 11 one other time this season, on January 14. They're going to have to replace Butler's 20 ppg -- which weren't very efficient -- Butler's eFG% (.554) is about the same as Moody's and Post's (both .553). Will Richard, on the other hand, is tops on team at .611. Gui Santos, also strong at .582, he'll probably get a bigger role. Kuminga is 2nd to last at .475.
With Kuminga? When asked if Butler's injury meant more playing time for Kuminga, Kerr replied "Sure. Absolutely."
RE: Butler tears ACL - Mick - 02-04-2026
(01-20-2026, 08:50 AM)Mick Wrote:(01-20-2026, 02:26 AM)triangle2 Wrote: Jimmy Butler ACL tear probably means he'll miss part of next season too. Funnily, it could mean that they have to keep Kuminga, although a complete tear-down of the roster now seems like it's coming.
Time to pull the emergency tanking procedure lever.
De'Anthony Melton's been out much of the last year, he was a healthy scratch last night for "ACL injury management." He injured his AC on 11/12/24, season-ending surgery to repair it.
When Butler went out, the Warriors were leading 77-75. They outscored Miami 58-37 the rest of the way. Maybe they'll be okay without Butler, meaning a play-in team. Curry will get more double teams, so he'll get more assists. He had 11 last night (with 19 points), he's only had 11 one other time this season, on January 14. They're going to have to replace Butler's 20 ppg -- which weren't very efficient -- Butler's eFG% (.554) is about the same as Moody's and Post's (both .553). Will Richard, on the other hand, is tops on team at .611. Gui Santos, also strong at .582, he'll probably get a bigger role. Kuminga is 2nd to last at .475.
With Kuminga? When asked if Butler's injury meant more playing time for Kuminga, Kerr replied "Sure. Absolutely."
Kuminga and Buddy Hield were traded for Kristaps Porzingis tonight. Trayce Jackson-Davis was traded to the Raptors for the Lakers' 2026 second-round pick.
Sources: Warriors trading Jonathan Kuminga, Buddy Hield to Hawks for Kristaps Porzingis - ESPN