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Re: Iowa fans discover the Stanford Band - And are very angry and very confused - Rally - 01-04-2016

I expect the Justice Dept. to investigate the Band for hate speech.

Re: this Iowan didn't even see it - Rally - 01-04-2016

(01-04-2016, 04:45 PM)jacketree link Wrote:[quote author=ferrari link=topic=14252.msg151119#msg151119 date=1451949241]
And he's still pissed.  Mildly.

http://www.theporkdiaries.com/openlettertostanford/

It's a she (Alicia) and there is some unintentional comedy gold in those comments.


And suddenly I hanker for pulled pork tonight.  Maybe this is all a subliminal conspiracy to make me gain weight while making Iowa rich.


The other white meat.....mmmmmmmm.........
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If I suggest Alicia looks a bit porcine herself, is it sexist or a micro-aggression?  Or both?

Re: Iowa fans discover the Stanford Band - And are very angry and very confused - Brannerite - 01-04-2016

@StanfordAlumni has now deleted its ill-advised tweet admonishing the band for going "too far" and promising a much tighter leash from here on out.  Gracias to Yvonne, robbie, and anyone else who tweeted your outrage (I'm not sure how many other tweets they received before deletion).

Re: this Iowan didn't even see it - dabigv13 - 01-04-2016

(01-04-2016, 05:25 PM)ferrari link Wrote:[quote author=jacketree link=topic=14252.msg151130#msg151130 date=1451951104]
[quote author=ferrari link=topic=14252.msg151119#msg151119 date=1451949241]
And he's still pissed.  Mildly.

http://www.theporkdiaries.com/openlettertostanford/

It's a she (Alicia) and there is some unintentional comedy gold in those comments.


And suddenly I hanker for pulled pork tonight.  Maybe this is all a subliminal conspiracy to make me gain weight while making Iowa rich.


The other white meat.....mmmmmmmm.........
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If I suggest Alicia looks a bit porcine herself, is it sexist or a micro-aggression?  Or both?
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Neither I would say. Dickish, irrelevant....those might be what you're looking for?

Re: Iowa fans discover the Stanford Band - And are very angry and very confused - 76lsjumb - 01-04-2016

(01-04-2016, 05:18 PM)dabigv link Wrote:..., and their band director sounded like a real prick.

That would be Arthur C. Bartner, right?  I always thought it was hilarious that they went out and managed to find a director whose name was such a close imitation of our [Dr.] Arthur P. Barnes.

Re: Why not supertitles on the big scoreboard screens? - pefloresjr - 01-04-2016

(01-04-2016, 04:03 PM)oldalum link Wrote:At home games I can understand only 1/3 of what the band announcers say; it would enhance everyone's enjoyment of the band (or dismay) if they knew what they were saying. Supertitles would require good timing but if the opera can do it, Stanford can too.
I agree that seeing the text is very helpful at home games.  This year most of the games actually had the text running at the bottom of the screen.  (At least the South screen did.)  My wife's enjoyment of the band shows increased greatly when she could read the words because it is very difficult to hear clearly in a big stadium. 

I wasn't in the band but find it funny when opposing fans are angry at the band even when they don't know what is being said.  The anger over assumed insults is truly a waste of time.  I couldn't hear what was being said but did laugh every time that cow fell over. 

I think Iowa fans were also more aggressive than most non-rival fans in booing our team when they came on the field so booing the band was natural.  I, and most of the Stanford section that I was in didn't boo their team when they came out because we have never even played them and have no reason to dislike them.  It didn't offend me but I was surprised at the seeming animosity.  I actually discussed it with my friend and we figured that was the culture among the Big-10 schools. 

Here's hoping we have many more years of offending fans and offending the hallowed traditions of the Rose Bowl.

Cheers,
Pete F.

Re: this Iowan didn't even see it - Rally - 01-04-2016

(01-04-2016, 05:30 PM)dabigv link Wrote:[quote author=ferrari link=topic=14252.msg151136#msg151136 date=1451953504]
[quote author=jacketree link=topic=14252.msg151130#msg151130 date=1451951104]
[quote author=ferrari link=topic=14252.msg151119#msg151119 date=1451949241]
And he's still pissed.  Mildly.

http://www.theporkdiaries.com/openlettertostanford/

It's a she (Alicia) and there is some unintentional comedy gold in those comments.


And suddenly I hanker for pulled pork tonight.  Maybe this is all a subliminal conspiracy to make me gain weight while making Iowa rich.


The other white meat.....mmmmmmmm.........
[/quote]

If I suggest Alicia looks a bit porcine herself, is it sexist or a micro-aggression?  Or both?
[/quote]

Neither I would say. Dickish, irrelevant....those might be what you're looking for?
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Getting closer.  Thanks.

Re: Iowa fans discover the Stanford Band - And are very angry and very confused - Treebound - 01-04-2016

Having been at the game, the Iowa fans were upset by the "Pink Locker Room" pre-game show and were not ready to listen to or try to understand the approach of a scatter band hailing from Stanford.  They were upset and taunting 2 minutes into the pre-show, claiming "band superiority" (whatever that is).  Needless to say, the taunting and comments ceased 11 seconds into the game.  As for half time, we could have played "God Bless America" and they still would have booed given the dismantling that took place on the field.   

My suggestion to the band is that they distribute leaflets (paper and internet) to future non-Pac12 competitors to inform them of their slap-stick approach with some hints and tips along the lines of:  Stanford is known as "The Farm" and X number of students matriculate from Iowa, to try to soften the blow.      That being said..."Toto, we're not in Kansas anymore" and if they can't take a joke.... (that's a JOKE)!

As for the LSJUMB, we had 3 band members come over for dinner before they left for Pasadena.  All three are freshman with my son and they were all great, very bright kids/students with varying degrees of musical talent and all enjoy the band immensely!  Only one of them was from CA.  I think the culture is changing somewhat given this year's probation and that's probably a good thing, to a point.  Maybe the pendulum had swung a bit too far, but as others have noted, the script was approved by multiple parties including Iowa.    The scripts are clearly less racy now, given the AD approval, but it needs to provide enough fun to keep the kids engaged.  It's Stanford, and most undergrad alums know that a "traditional, boring" marching band would not be very popular and would likely fail.  It's not part of the culture of LSJU and I'm fine with that.  I don't go to football games because my band is great.  If you do, then Stanford is probably not a great fit, so pick from one of the other 79 programs that marched this bowl season. 

Re: Iowa fans discover the Stanford Band - And are very angry and very confused - JJJ - 01-04-2016

(01-04-2016, 05:29 PM)Brannerite link Wrote:@StanfordAlumni has now deleted its ill-advised tweet admonishing the band for going "too far" and promising a much tighter leash from here on out.  Gracias to Yvonne, robbie, and anyone else who tweeted your outrage (I'm not sure how many other tweets they received before deletion).
Whoa,  this is awesome! Proud to be a member here, however insignificant. (missed out on tweeting outrage)

Re: Iowa fans discover the Stanford Band - And are very angry and very confused - winflop - 01-04-2016

I will take Iowa fans' reaction to the halftime show with a grain of salt.  They were seriously butthurt with the team they travelled 1,500 miles to see get blown off the field like an FCS team.

Re: Iowa fans discover the Stanford Band - And are very angry and very confused - TRD - 01-05-2016

Marlene takes the cake:




http://www.theporkdiaries.com/openlettertostanford/

Marlene says

Quote:January 3, 2016 at 8:37 pm

Can’t believe the Stanford coach, band director and the President of Stanford could permit such behavior in sports. I will never support Stanford in any way for any sport. They should all be fired. The title belongs to the “IOWA HAWKEYES” . Stanford should be made to turn the trophy and title over to Iowa. Do they not need to adhere to the code of ethics for sports? The public needs to make a statement. Colleges are over the United States need to support sports rules!. And the marijuana patches on the sleeves of the band members at a Title college game–Unbelievable!! . Where the players checked for DRUGS???




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Re: Iowa fans discover the Stanford Band - And are very angry and very confused - Mick - 01-05-2016

(01-04-2016, 03:33 PM)PrinceLightfoot link Wrote:[quote author=Mick link=topic=14252.msg150800#msg150800 date=1451846327]
5)  They spent half a year's pay to come to Southern California...and I'll tell you, every time I've ever visited any Midwestern city other than Chicago, I've thought to myself "Thank goodness I don't live here."  I'm sure Des Moines and all the other Iowa towns and cities are perfectly fine, but I'd rather live in Alviso than any one of them.  So when they visit our fair state, especially those here for the first time, they are a bit taken aback at how darned terrific it is.

Iowa:
I live in Des Moines and have for almost 10 years. With no previous midwest exposure or ties, I can say that I love it out here (except for Winter). The people are 10x more approachable than Californians and definitely nicer. While recognizing rural roots, there is enough here to entertain and satisfy the demands of an urbanite like myself. Do not knock it unless you have truly tried it.
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You're right, I can't speak for the Des Moines experience.  But I'm going to knock the Midwest experience.  I've lived in Detroit for over a year (I live there now), and I probably spent an accumulated eight months in Illinois, and I've spent time in Kansas City, St. Louis, Milwaukee, Minneapolis, Cleveland, Cincinnati and a dozen towns in between them.  So I have a little bit of experience in the Midwest.  So to your points:

The WINTER here is fxxxing looooong.  Last winter it was snow in november, snow in April and snow in all points in between.  May to September was beautiful, the October fall was stunning.  But there are three months that are a living hell here.

I don't find the people in the Midwest friendlier.  I like them just fine, I do.  But I find them much more insular, much more closed-minded and less friendly than Californians, particularly northern Californians.  So I'll respectfully disagree.

Re: Iowa fans discover the Stanford Band - And are very angry and very confused - CornFed - 01-05-2016

Perhaps it is more about us, as individuals, rather than any blanket quality of the respective regions.  I've always felt that I could probably live just about anywhere in the country and be wildly happy if I were among people with whom I feel close.  My general fondness for people from Iowa is probably very heavily related to my psychological/emotional/social/etc. profile, which in turn probably relates heavily to the fact that I was born and raised in that region. 

I really am skeptical that if you take a random sample of 100,000 folks from two selected regions and tried to compare them, that there would be a pronounced abundance of nice people in one and a dearth of such in the other.  I have very little doubt that each of us would probably find that we experienced one group as being nicer than the other, but that has to do with our personal package of preferences, assumptions, perceptions etc.

Re: Iowa fans discover the Stanford Band - And are very angry and very confused - stupac2 - 01-05-2016

(01-05-2016, 11:15 AM)CornFed link Wrote:I really am skeptical that if you take a random sample of 100,000 folks from two selected regions and tried to compare them, that there would be a pronounced abundance of nice people in one and a dearth of such in the other.

That's always been my experience. I was in Hawaii over xmas and someone mentioned how nice the people were, and I just said "we're only interacting with people in service roles, those people are almost always pretty nice everywhere." Which has certainly been my experience. I think that "the people there are so nice" is one of those inane tropes that needs to die.

Re: Iowa fans discover the Stanford Band - And are very angry and very confused - yvonne - 01-05-2016

(01-05-2016, 05:16 AM)TRD link Wrote:Marlene takes the cake:




http://www.theporkdiaries.com/openlettertostanford/

Marlene says

Quote:January 3, 2016 at 8:37 pm

Can’t believe the Stanford coach, band director and the President of Stanford could permit such behavior in sports. I will never support Stanford in any way for any sport. They should all be fired. The title belongs to the “IOWA HAWKEYES” . Stanford should be made to turn the trophy and title over to Iowa. Do they not need to adhere to the code of ethics for sports? The public needs to make a statement. Colleges are over the United States need to support sports rules!. And the marijuana patches on the sleeves of the band members at a Title college game–Unbelievable!! . Where the players checked for DRUGS???

I think you have to give her credit for transparency. The issue has always been about Iowa fans being upset about the result of the games. She at least has come up with a suggestion for changing the result.

;)

Re: Iowa fans discover the Stanford Band - And are very angry and very confused - ChicagoCard - 01-05-2016

For anybody who thinks comedian Bill Burr is funny, he went to the Rose Bowl and you can hear his impression of the band's halftime show between 24:30 and 28:30 in this youtube audio.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_TVWRtq01E

Sounds like he was drunk at the time and found the band to be a little on the hipster side for his taste. 

Re: Iowa fans discover the Stanford Band - And are very angry and very confused - 76lsjumb - 01-05-2016

I had no idea who Bill Burr is [and, if my brain cooperates, I will forget him as quickly as possible], but, from listening to about 30 seconds of his NSFW remarks, there is no doubt in my mind that, if asked which transcript -- the LSJUMB halftime show or a transcript of what I just listened to -- is more offensive, his remarks would be the overwhelming winner.  It is kind of amusing, though, hearing a guy who apparently is paid by the number of F words he can fit into one sentence, criticize the Band for not being original...

Re: Iowa fans discover the Stanford Band - And are very angry and very confused - FireSting81 - 01-05-2016

Sorry guys, I think Bill Burr nailed it there. I think that's how most of the country feels about the Stanford band. That hipster tendency to mock that which they deem "beneath" them, all the while in a completely sanitized and witless way. Stanford band members are the type of kids that will take their fevered Black Lives Matter protests to the sort of space where they can assure they won't come across any actual impoverished black people.

And people haven't seen Bill Burr? You mean there are people outside of western Iowa who haven't seen either The Chappelle Show or Breaking Bad???

Re: Iowa fans discover the Stanford Band - And are very angry and very confused - jacketree - 01-05-2016

Good point. How would Heisenberg address this issue?

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I'm no band apologist whatsoever, but this was all a little overwrought. Now some of their past shows and behavior......

Re: Iowa fans discover the Stanford Band - And are very angry and very confused - 76lsjumb - 01-05-2016

(01-05-2016, 02:18 PM)FireSting81 link Wrote:Stanford band members are the type of kids that ...

Aren't stereotypes wonderful things...?  ;)

I suppose it's possible you actually know a member of the Stanford Band and she/he is just as you describe...but I doubt it.