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Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - lex24 - 12-08-2017
Except he runs an uptempo spread. Any OC hired is going to share, generally, Shaws philosophy. Ball control, power oriented etc.
(12-08-2017, 01:00 AM)Snorlax94 link Wrote:Yes, Troy coming back as an OC sounds incredible. The timing seems perfect.
I think the concern is not on our end, its that Troy could get a HC offer somewhere.
Regarding Norm Chow, I was a fan of his, but I think itd be an unwise move for Stanford. When he want back to UH, I thought itd be a perfect fit, but they continued to struggle, terribly. I dont recall any offensive innovation (like weve seen from Lane Kiffin) to outperform their budget and recruiting shortfalls. I worry he hasnt executed at a high level in a long time.
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - Red State - 12-08-2017
(12-08-2017, 08:56 AM)lex24 link Wrote:Except he runs an uptempo spread. Any OC hired is going to share, generally, Shaws philosophy. Ball control, power oriented etc.[/quote]
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Yes, Troy coming back as an OC sounds incredible. The timing seems perfect.
I think the concern is not on our end, its that Troy could get a HC offer somewhere.
Regarding Norm Chow, I was a fan of his, but I think itd be an unwise move for Stanford. When he want back to UH, I thought itd be a perfect fit, but they continued to struggle, terribly. I dont recall any offensive innovation (like weve seen from Lane Kiffin) to outperform their budget and recruiting shortfalls. I worry he hasnt executed at a high level in a long time.
If Walters tried to run CFU's offense at Stanford it would be a disaster, just like when Buddy Teevens tried to bring Florida's potent, pass happy offense. Stanford, like Wisconsin, runs the Power O offense because it gives them their best chance to WIN given their resources and positions that they can successfully recruit, i.e., OL, TE, FB. It's not going to change as long as Shaw is coach, which I hope is many more seasons. I think Shaw looks to the NFL to find his OC, a coach well-versed in the Power O scheme and all its variances.
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - CTcard - 12-08-2017
(12-08-2017, 09:22 AM)Red State link Wrote:[quote author=lex24 link=topic=18293.msg217479#msg217479 date=1512748577]
Except he runs an uptempo spread. Any OC hired is going to share, generally, Shaws philosophy. Ball control, power oriented etc.
If Walters tried to run CFU's offense at Stanford it would be a disaster, just like when Buddy Teevens tried to bring Florida's potent, pass happy offense. Stanford, like Wisconsin, runs the Power O offense because it gives them their best chance to WIN given their resources and positions that they can successfully recruit, i.e., OL, TE, FB. It's not going to change as long as Shaw is coach, which I hope is many more seasons. I think Shaw looks to the NFL to find his OC, a coach well-versed in the Power O scheme and all its variances.
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While I think this is true (except for calling UCF CFU), it is entirely possible that Walters understands and is willing to operate a power, run-first attack. He may even have experience in doing so - I don't know his whole coaching resume. At the least, he did play in a generically similar styled offense under Willingham at Stanford.
But that doesn't mean he is the best at coordinating such an offense. Emotionally, I like Stanford guys on our staff. There are likely some advantages as well, like "getting" Stanford - its pluses and minuses - from the get go. Having an alum as head coach has definitely paid off in stability. But, that doesn't necessarily mean the Stanford alum is the best guy available to coordinate our offense. And in the end, I want Shaw to hire the best guy available to coordinate our offense.
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - 82lsju - 12-08-2017
(12-08-2017, 09:51 AM)CTcard link Wrote:While I think this is true (except for calling UCF CFU), it is entirely possible that Walters understands and is willing to operate a power, run-first attack. He may even have experience in doing so - I don't know his whole coaching resume.
Troy Walters as coach:
Indiana State (OC/QB/WR) (2009)
Texas A&M (WR) (20102011)
NC State (WR) (2012)
Colorado (WR/RC) (20132015)
UCF (OC/WR) (20162017)
Nebraska (OC/WR) (2018present)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Walters
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - 82lsju - 12-08-2017
from Omaha
Troy Walters, Sean Beckton reportedly leaving UCF to join Scott Frost's Nebraska staff
http://www.omaha.com/huskers/football/troy-walters-sean-beckton-reportedly-leaving-ucf-to-join-scott/article_30a63400-db99-11e7-94ba-d30e228893a6.html
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - ColoradoTree - 12-08-2017
A creative, dynamic offense and a power-oriented, ball control offense need not be mutually exclusive. I love those drives when we exert dominance over the other team in the fourth quarter. Man alive are they ever satisfying. But seeing Costello hit JJAW or Kaden Smith for long gains makes my heart go pitter-patter, too. I think Shaw has come pretty far in the playcalling department over the years (there is no play I love more than a goal-line throw to a TE out of play action in the jumbo set), so I'm hopeful he can identify an Offensive Coordinator that knows how to coach within a pro-style system but who will push Shaw a bit further toward a more dynamic offense. Not too far, mind you, or it won't work. That's why I think Red State might be on to something in thinking that coach may currently be in the NFL. Traditional personnel groupings, reliance on FBs and TEs, but knowing that you can't be too vanilla because that's death in the NFL.Â
He'll find somebody good--if he wants to. If he simply elevates Tavita, however....
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - 82lsju - 12-08-2017
(12-08-2017, 10:01 AM)ColoradoTree link Wrote:If he simply elevates Tavita, however....
how many Pac-12 coordinators are only 30 years old?
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - Bruce Wang - 12-08-2017
(12-08-2017, 09:57 AM)eric link Wrote:from Omaha
Troy Walters, Sean Beckton reportedly leaving UCF to join Scott Frost's Nebraska staff
Stanford OC is a better job. We have a better platform and potentially an even greater fit for Troy as an alum (easier sell to recruits). The one X factor is Warren's money. He's an alum and a fan. If he decided to throw a pinch of his wealth to Nebraska to upgrade facilities and endow assistant coaching positions, they could overachieve their platform. I can see Frost getting that money. Mike Riley, not so much.
Troy played in the NFL. A pro-style offense should be something he's well versed in.
A players hire A players. B players hire C players. Troy is an A player.
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - teejers1 - 12-08-2017
Gee, where could Shaw find someone who was intimately familiar with the 2000 (Rose Bowl) and 2001 (Seattle Bowl) pro-style offenses that had great balance and put up impressive/dominant numbers? And someone who has NFL playing experience? Look up, in the sky, no - not there. Look up at the booth. Look at the guy who was quite perceptively pointing out the flaws in this Stanford offense on-air.
Last time I bang that drum (I promise).
Besides, I fully expect an internal promotion for OC, followed by a newbie hire for the added spot. No ripples. Same 'ol, same 'ol. I might actually have to protest in my own little financial way, by buying fewer season tickets next year.
But for now, I'll continue to support the program, and look forward to seeing all of the fine Cardboard posters in San Antonio. Oh wait . . . what do you mean you're not going?
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - CowboyIndian - 12-08-2017
(12-08-2017, 11:12 AM)teejers1 link Wrote:But for now, I'll continue to support the program, and look forward to seeing all of the fine Cardboard posters in San Antonio. Oh wait . . . what do you mean you're not going?
I'm going....with 12 classmates from all parts of Texas...staying at the Menger. Ah-HAH! San Antone!
Hmmmmmm - Redrum - 12-08-2017
Travel budget: 2 big (flights involved) trips in 2018 budget
#1Â Football home game at Stanford
#2 Kaui with friends and family...no, wait! I could go to San Antonio to see a game in the Alamo Dome. Hmmmmm choices, choices...
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - CardinalSagehen - 12-08-2017
(12-08-2017, 10:06 AM)eric link Wrote:[quote author=ColoradoTree link=topic=18293.msg217486#msg217486 date=1512752482]
If he simply elevates Tavita, however....
how many Pac-12 coordinators are only 30 years old?
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I don't know the answer, but I noticed that Bloomgren had been our OC since 2013 and he's only 40. So he was ~36 when he was promoted to OC.
In any case, I don't think it will be Tavita - he doesn't have the resume. It will be Gould, imho. But in any case, I think it will be one or the other.
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - Red State - 12-08-2017
(12-08-2017, 11:12 AM)teejers1 link Wrote:Gee, where could Shaw find someone who was intimately familiar with the 2000 (Rose Bowl) and 2001 (Seattle Bowl) pro-style offenses that had great balance and put up impressive/dominant numbers? And someone who has NFL playing experience? Look up, in the sky, no - not there. Look up at the booth. Look at the guy who was quite perceptively pointing out the flaws in this Stanford offense on-air.
Last time I bang that drum (I promise).
Besides, I fully expect an internal promotion for OC, followed by a newbie hire for the added spot. No ripples. Same 'ol, same 'ol. I might actually have to protest in my own little financial way, by buying fewer season tickets next year.
But for now, I'll continue to support the program, and look forward to seeing all of the fine Cardboard posters in San Antonio. Oh wait . . . what do you mean you're not going?
Always fun to revisit history! SU's '99 team won the P10 in what was arguably the weakest conference in the history of west coast football. That season was fluky, but in a good way. And nobody knows better than Todd Husak what happened in the Rose Bowl. That balanced, high scoring, pro-style offense spent many minutes on the sideline while Wisconsin's punishing, methodical ground attack controlled the clock and tempo. Final Score: Wisconsin 17 Stanford 9. Ironically, SU returned to the RB 13 years later and beat Wisconsin and Alvarez while running the Power O offense.
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - washingtonismoney - 12-08-2017
Yes, it sounds like a great idea to hire a guy with virtually no experience and unknown interest. I'll bring it up to Shaw after my elective appendectomy with a local short-order cook.
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - CornFed - 12-08-2017
(12-08-2017, 11:20 AM)CowboyIndian link Wrote:[quote author=teejers1 link=topic=18293.msg217497#msg217497 date=1512756732]
But for now, I'll continue to support the program, and look forward to seeing all of the fine Cardboard posters in San Antonio. Oh wait . . . what do you mean you're not going?
I'm going....with 12 classmates from all parts of Texas...staying at the Menger. Ah-HAH! San Antone!
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I'm also checking in to the Menger. I'd never heard of it, but my girlfriend says it is really something. Looks great online. I am psyched, as I have not been in San Antonio in many, many years.
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - oman - 12-08-2017
Suit yourself but that hotel is haunted.
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - washingtonismoney - 12-08-2017
Bloomgren's opening hires got done fast: https://twitter.com/Ivan_Maisel/status/939259680634806272
He went with Michigan's safeties coach for DC and North Carolina Central head coach Jerry Mack as OC. Mack was 31-15 at NC Central, an HBCU.
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - teejers1 - 12-08-2017
C'mon now Red State, that Rose Bowl team was crippled due to injuries. Think both the "ironman" center and Walters were hurt and either didn't play or shouldn't have played. [IIRC, the OL played one snap and then sat; Walters was hobbling around out there with some kind of injury].
The bottom line is that the O was not the same squad we saw all season.
But I'll give you that Wiscy controlled the ball more - as did a lot of team that year against Stanford, which had a mediocre (occasional big-play) D. The O carried that team to the Rose Bowl. Imagine that . . .
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - 82lsju - 12-08-2017
(12-08-2017, 04:08 PM)teejers1 link Wrote:C'mon now Red State, that Rose Bowl team was crippled due to injuries. Think both the "ironman" center and Walters were hurt and either didn't play or shouldn't have played. [IIRC, the OL played one snap and then sat; Walters was hobbling around out there with some kind of injury].
The bottom line is that the O was not the same squad we saw all season.
But I'll give you that Wiscy controlled the ball more - as did a lot of team that year against Stanford, which had a mediocre (occasional big-play) D. The O carried that team to the Rose Bowl. Imagine that . . .
Stanford opened the game with a disregard for injury reports. It started Walters, its all-American receiver, despite a dislocated wrist; Howard, the mainstay defensive lineman, despite a torn knee ligament; and center Mike McLaughlin despite a knee injury. McLaughlin lasted only one play, but Walters and Howard were key elements in a surprisingly effective game plan.
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/01/02/sports/college-football-dayne-lifts-the-badgers-to-a-repeat-in-pasadena.html
Re: Bloomgren to Rice? - teejers1 - 12-08-2017
Per my recollection, the surprisingly effective game plan was Wisconsin's on the defensive side of the ball. The strategy was to grab and hold Stanford receivers on every play, knowing the refs wouldn't call them all. And they did not.
I also recall Stanford's LB - Sharcus Steen (one of the great Cardinal names of all time) - had a tremendous game. Wiscy's "run right at you" approach played into Steen's strengths.