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Re: ND-Stanford - FarmBoy - 09-30-2014

Quote:I hope so.  I felt that the Band never did complete the answer to the question they posed - "Those Irish!  Why Do They Fight?"

I am so glad that I was there that day. My brother in law were in the stands and were some of the few who actually seemed to be paying attention to the PA announcer. We were grinning ear to ear at the incisive wit. I knew there would be blow-back, but couldn't foretell the endless articles and talking heads. I was so disappointed when President Caspar apologized.


Re: ND-Stanford - NDIrish - 09-30-2014

(09-30-2014, 12:12 PM)SeattleTree link Wrote:[quote author=NDIrish link=topic=10754.msg99855#msg99855 date=1412092725]
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Really?  Shaw is the perfect fit for Stanford, an alum, a great coach and a fine ambassador for the school.  the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends has been hit with nothing but scandal after scandal since Kelly arrived, he generally looks as if his head is going to explode on the sidelines and he seems much more like a liability to the school than an ambassador.  Kids go to Stanford because of Shaw; kids go to the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends despite Kelly.

I agree with Simas: the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends has not seen a defense like Stanford.  Golson better be every bit the QB you think he is, because he's going to be running for his life all afternoon.  The only thing that will keep the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends in this game is Stanford's red zone woes. 

I expect a low scoring game with Stanford coming out on top 20-13 in OT.  Golson is turned back on 4th down at the goal line after he trips on a term paper someone was writing for one of the the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends players that was blown onto the field by the ghost of Teo's fake girlfriend in a valiant effort to aid the team of her former school.

OK, so i thought this would be a game where i could come to the opposing teams message board and have an actual discussion about the game and get into specifics, but apparently not.

To clarify, I have nothing but respect for stanford AND shaw.  I think he is a great fit and a perfect fit for Stanford.  But i was asking specifically about coaching techniques.  I think kelly has done more with less, but Shaw has been able to maintain what he has, so that is great to. 

I was trying to keep this discussion about the game, but you can keep bashing ND for their mistakes, cause i am sure Stanford has always been perfect?  I guess their is no mutual respect between universities that have higher standards. 

But to try and get it back on track, I agree ND has not seen a defense like stanfords yet, but i think they have enough weapons IF the O-line can make some adjustments and play better than they have, that ND can compete with stanfords D.  20-13 OT is a fair guess, very possible.  But why do you feel the need to keep slamming golson for the fact that he cheated?  I suppose you have never made a mistake, when you did, did you stand up and take ownership?  Would you have waited a whole year to play and come back when you had other colleges calling?  Yes he screwed up, but im proud for what he has done since then!
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Why do you think I was slamming Golson for the fact that he cheated?  I didn't specify the player for whom the paper was being written and sadly it could apparently have been for any number of players.  I respect the fact that Golson stood up and took ownership; I'd respect him a lot more if he'd never put himself in that position in the first place. 

I'll echo the sentiment already expressed by others: I'm not sure what you expected to find here.  I think the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends is a fine school, but it's no Stanford.  I think Kelly is a decent football tactician, but I wouldn't want him coaching Stanford.  I think Golson is athletically gifted, but I wouldn't want him as Stanford's QB.  I think the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends is consistently ranked higher than it should be based on an outdated reputation.  And I think Stanford's defense is too deep, too talented and playing too well for the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends to win, even though the game is in South Bend. 

Remember this: two years ago, if the officials would have correctly ruled that Taylor scored in OT, and if the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends hadn't used players that were ineligible due to academic improprieties, Stanford may have won that game and gone on to play in the BCS Championship game, where they'd have given Alabama much more of a run for their money than the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends did.  Stanford fans certainly have not forgotten.  The team certainly has not forgotten.  Payback will be sweet.
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i took the papers comment in relation to golson cheating, sorry if that is not want you had intended, and as far as the other 5, we will find out the week what they did or did not do, so i am with holding judgement till then. 

I guess i was mistaken in what i would find here, figured for "fighting words"  but didnt expect to get into 6 pages of academic debate, lol, my mistake, will know in the future!  I only asked the question of which qb would you want to start a debate about football and it quickly turned away from there, but hey, thats the way it goes, either way, i learned alot about stanford today.  And you can want one coach over the other, but i think its just being stubborn if you wouldn't want golson over hogan, regardless of who wins this weekend.  Stanfords D is deep and strong, so we will have to keep them guessing and see if we cant get lucky on that front.

I remember 2 years ago, it was a great game, and at least you are one of the few i have seen that realize if that call would have went the other way, stanford MAY have won that game (most people like to speak as if that would have won them that game), but i feel the call on the field was going to stand,  Ultimately, i feel he got it, but i have seen video of the side judge blowing his whistle and running in before he got in and from his angle, its a hard call.  And at this point Notre Dame did not use players that were ineligible, and no indication that that is going to change.

And Yes, ND, had a very poor game against alabama, you can not say stanford would have done any better, and clearly alabama was the better team, but if you rewatch that game, the refs were horrible - not saying that it would have resulted in ND magically winning, but since you brought up refs...




Re: Enjoying your visit, yet? - NDIrish - 09-30-2014

(09-30-2014, 12:33 PM)Extra Point link Wrote:[quote author=NDIrish link=topic=10754.msg99861#msg99861 date=1412094183]
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I think if we can get a couple of our suspended guys back (meaning they have been cleared) than i would say we could get one here, if they dont, its anybody's game.

Have these five players been practicing with the other players?

I don't think any coach would put players on the field who are not in game condition and aware of the game plan.
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If they are cleared, then they will play - according to reports.  They have been staying in shape and have had access to everything except for practice. 
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The NCAA will not even let players practice in pads until they have 3 days of non-pad training. I think you need to check your sources. If I am somehow wrong and Kelly puts them in the game, then it can only help Stanford. Have you noticed that football players tend to make a lot of mistakes the first couple of games?
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The source is Kelly, so i dont know what the rules are in that situation.  He has stated multiple times that if they are cleared on a friday, he will have them ready to play on saturday, so i guess we will find out.  And those guys are certainly going to be rusty, but i think 2 of the 5 can still make a positive impacts.

Re: ND-Stanford - martyup - 09-30-2014

The fact that NDI can still post on this board after calling our Founder and Board Administrator a POS is testament to the tolerance of theCardBoard.  I've been down rabbit holes with Irish fans on other sprorts sites.  It is never good.  No amount of logic or well written argument will sway them.  The teams will prove themselves on the field of play.  Fans prove themselves on message boards by the word they write.  IMO, NDI showed us his true colors by his words to Yvonne.  Therefore, in the infamous words of several top contributors to this board when utterly disgusted by another member's post, NDI you are DEAD TO ME.

Re: ND-Stanford - Cardinal96 - 09-30-2014

NDIrish--

You have been getting tons of down-rates that were unwarranted in my opinion.  You are fine in my book, and I always like to hear the arguments of fans of other teams as long as they are not trolling.  And you clearly are not.

Here's hoping for an entertaining game on Saturday.

Re: ND-Stanford - Cardinal96 - 09-30-2014

(09-30-2014, 01:12 PM)martyup link Wrote:The fact that NDI can still post on this board after calling our Founder and Board Administrator a POS is testament to the tolerance of theCardBoard.  I've been down rabbit holes with Irish fans on other sprorts sites.  It is never good.  No amount of logic or well written argument will sway them.  The teams will prove themselves on the field of play.  Fans prove themselves on message boards by the word they write.  IMO, NDI showed us his true colors by his words to Yvonne.  Therefore, in the infamous words of many contributors to this board, NDI you are DEAD TO ME.

In his defense, he acknowledged he overreacted later in the thread.  He probably felt ganged up on and posted something he regretted immediately afterwards.  I've been there.

He is fine in my book and I would like to think we would be welcoming of opposing fans who want to talk football.  It isn't my board so I understand that is not my call.

Re: ND-Stanford - FarmBoy - 09-30-2014

Quote:I guess i was mistaken in what i would find here, figured for "fighting words"  but didnt expect to get into 6 pages of academic debate, lol, my mistake, will know in the future!  I only asked the question of which qb would you want to start a debate about football and it quickly turned away from there, but hey, thats the way it goes, either way, i learned alot about stanford today.  And you can want one coach over the other, but i think its just being stubborn if you wouldn't want golson over hogan, regardless of who wins this weekend.  Stanfords D is deep and strong, so we will have to keep them guessing and see if we cant get lucky on that front.

Stanford fans hold their players to very high standards on and off the field. Again, I don't know much about Golson this year, but based on the last time I saw him, I think he's the more dangerous quarterback. I still wouldn't want him running my team because of his history. You say he's paid his debt. I'd still rather have someone who was never tarnished. Hogan is something like 10-2 against Top 25 competition. Sure, he's had a great defense and running back for a lot of those wins, but he's made the plays when they counted.

Re: ND-Stanford - NDIrish - 09-30-2014

(09-30-2014, 01:14 PM)NYCCardinalFan link Wrote:NDIrish--

You have been getting tons of down-rates that were unwarranted in my opinion.  You are fine in my book, and I always like to hear the arguments of fans of other teams as long as they are not trolling.  And you clearly are not.

Here's hoping for an entertaining game on Saturday.

Thanks, i think it will be for sure!

Re: ND-Stanford - NDIrish - 09-30-2014

(09-30-2014, 01:17 PM)NYCCardinalFan link Wrote:[quote author=martyup link=topic=10754.msg99963#msg99963 date=1412107955]
The fact that NDI can still post on this board after calling our Founder and Board Administrator a POS is testament to the tolerance of theCardBoard.  I've been down rabbit holes with Irish fans on other sprorts sites.  It is never good.  No amount of logic or well written argument will sway them.  The teams will prove themselves on the field of play.  Fans prove themselves on message boards by the word they write.  IMO, NDI showed us his true colors by his words to Yvonne.  Therefore, in the infamous words of many contributors to this board, NDI you are DEAD TO ME.

In his defense, he acknowledged he overreacted later in the thread.  He probably felt ganged up on and posted something he regretted immediately afterwards.  I've been there.

He is fine in my book and I would like to think we would be welcoming of opposing fans who want to talk football.  It isn't my board so I understand that is not my call.
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I did overreact, and i apologize for that, definitely expected to be gained up on, just expected to be about the irish, and reacted poorly when it became attacks on me, either way that was in poor taste to come on another teams board and act like that (i had no idea that person was the board administrator) so if you read this, sorry again.  Stanford is a great team and i expect a great game, and if i am banned, then thats that, but i would like to continue talk through the rest of the week about football, especially once we learn the fate of the ND 5.

Re: ND-Stanford - NDIrish - 09-30-2014

(09-30-2014, 01:12 PM)martyup link Wrote:The fact that NDI can still post on this board after calling our Founder and Board Administrator a POS is testament to the tolerance of theCardBoard.  I've been down rabbit holes with Irish fans on other sprorts sites.  It is never good.  No amount of logic or well written argument will sway them.  The teams will prove themselves on the field of play.  Fans prove themselves on message boards by the word they write.  IMO, NDI showed us his true colors by his words to Yvonne.  Therefore, in the infamous words of many contributors to this board, NDI you are DEAD TO ME.

please see above.

Re: ND-Stanford - stupac2 - 09-30-2014

(09-30-2014, 01:26 PM)NDIrish link Wrote:Stanford is a great team and i expect a great game, and if i am banned, then thats that, but i would like to continue talk through the rest of the week about football, especially once we learn the fate of the ND 5.

Why? Why not go on reddit/r/cfb or some other neutral site for that?

I've never really understood going on an opposing fan board for that kind of discussion. It's just not the point of those boards.

Re: ND-Stanford - fullmetal - 09-30-2014

(09-30-2014, 11:35 AM)NDIrish link Wrote:[quote author=Yvonne link=topic=10754.msg99929#msg99929 date=1412101901]
Please, your writing does not buttress your contention that the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends is a good academic school. I sincerely hope you are not an alumnus. I wouldn't put the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends on the level of FSU or NC. I think the more apt comparison, given the levels of sanctimony, academic rigor, and relative position of football in the eyes of the school and local law enforcement, is Penn State.

Wow you really are a stuck up pos.
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But she's right though, isn't she?  And if you're any indicator, the University of dead student videographers cheating football players Lizzy Seeberg's (alleged) rapist Dead Fake Girlfriends has a fanbase that perhaps needs to learn that God is not always picking sides in football games and that Notre Dame is not the shining city on a hill that delusional fans think it is.

If certain fans of the University of South Bend would stop being so bloody sanctimonious, I think I'd rather enjoy football banter with them.

Re: ND-Stanford - NDIrish - 09-30-2014

(09-30-2014, 01:35 PM)stupac2 link Wrote:[quote author=NDIrish link=topic=10754.msg99970#msg99970 date=1412108795]Stanford is a great team and i expect a great game, and if i am banned, then thats that, but i would like to continue talk through the rest of the week about football, especially once we learn the fate of the ND 5.

Why? Why not go on reddit/r/cfb or some other neutral site for that?

I've never really understood going on an opposing fan board for that kind of discussion. It's just not the point of those boards.
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well i like to talk to other teams, figure you can learn more this way, i would rather learn about stanford then hear more of the same about ND.  What exactly is the point of these boards?  Isnt it to discuss football?  look, if the overall consonance is that people on this board want me gone, im done, but i thought it was a good place to discuss, but whatever, you tell me man.

Re: ND-Stanford - Rally - 09-30-2014

Rolling Stone's article today is possibly germane to this thread.

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/the-irish-curse-notre-dame-at-a-crossroads-20140929

Re: ND-Stanford - stupac2 - 09-30-2014

(09-30-2014, 01:38 PM)NDIrish link Wrote:well i like to talk to other teams, figure you can learn more this way, i would rather learn about stanford then hear more of the same about ND.  What exactly is the point of these boards?  Isnt it to discuss football?  look, if the overall consonance is that people on this board want me gone, im done, but i thought it was a good place to discuss, but whatever, you tell me man.

I don't really care one way or the other what you do, but if you're going to come in here and talk about the team it makes more sense to ask questions about our team. Which (as far as I can tell) you haven't done. All you did was say a bunch of rationalizations equivalent to "I'm a big homer for my team" (which we are too, so I'm not disparaging) and give a prediction. That's not really how you start a conversation, and being overly defensive about your school's reputation when you're in hostile territory isn't helping anything.

If you want to have a discussion, ask us about our team, or at least show that you know anything about us at all. Ask about matchups, say what you think about key ones. That sort of thing.

Re: ND-Stanford - NDIrish - 09-30-2014

(09-30-2014, 01:35 PM)fullmetal link Wrote:[quote author=NDIrish link=topic=10754.msg99931#msg99931 date=1412102127]
[quote author=Yvonne link=topic=10754.msg99929#msg99929 date=1412101901]
Please, your writing does not buttress your contention that the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends is a good academic school. I sincerely hope you are not an alumnus. I wouldn't put the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends on the level of FSU or NC. I think the more apt comparison, given the levels of sanctimony, academic rigor, and relative position of football in the eyes of the school and local law enforcement, is Penn State.

Wow you really are a stuck up pos.
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But she's right though, isn't she?  And if you're any indicator, the University of dead student videographers cheating football players Lizzy Seeberg's (alleged) rapist Dead Fake Girlfriends has a fanbase that perhaps needs to learn that God is not always picking sides in football games and that the University of Dead Fake Girlfriends is not the shining city on a hill that delusional fans think it is.

If certain fans of the University of South Bend would stop being so bloody sanctimonious, I think I'd rather enjoy football banter with them.
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my response was the attack me, which i over reacted, i enjoy football banter, as long as its about football, i can except making fun of ND, no problem with that.  Neighbors with a michigan fan, do it all the time. But the banter should be reasonable and based off of truth. Never once brought God into the discussion and never once thought he is involved in football.  I do not in anyway think we are superior to others, sometime i think we are a better football team, sometimes i dont.  So i am not at all sure why you went that way, but whatever, its cool, but in the future, i just wanna talk football, refs making bad calls, kickers and short corners trying to cover tall receivers....

Re: ND-Stanford - martyup - 09-30-2014

(09-30-2014, 10:42 AM)Rfed013 link Wrote:As an ND fan, I don't care about being a "football factory" or the SAT scores or grades. And thats being honest. I think if you took a survey of fanbases accross the country, most would agree. I don't pay to watch them take a test in the Chemistry class. I don't pay to cheer them on while they study. I pay to watch them play on saturday. And when they play, I hope they win.

There is a sport that is perfect for you.  It's called the NFL.  You can catch their games on Sunday and Monday nights.  College football is for student athletes.  That will not change, no matter how hard the football factories try to sweep academics under the rug so they can put their overgrown knuckleheads on the field to beat up on legitimate student athletes.

Re: ND-Stanford - NDIrish - 09-30-2014

(09-30-2014, 01:54 PM)stupac2 link Wrote:[quote author=NDIrish link=topic=10754.msg99974#msg99974 date=1412109530]well i like to talk to other teams, figure you can learn more this way, i would rather learn about stanford then hear more of the same about ND.  What exactly is the point of these boards?  Isnt it to discuss football?  look, if the overall consonance is that people on this board want me gone, im done, but i thought it was a good place to discuss, but whatever, you tell me man.

I don't really care one way or the other what you do, but if you're going to come in here and talk about the team it makes more sense to ask questions about our team. Which (as far as I can tell) you haven't done. All you did was say a bunch of rationalizations equivalent to "I'm a big homer for my team" (which we are too, so I'm not disparaging) and give a prediction. That's not really how you start a conversation, and being overly defensive about your school's reputation when you're in hostile territory isn't helping anything.

If you want to have a discussion, ask us about our team, or at least show that you know anything about us at all. Ask about matchups, say what you think about key ones. That sort of thing.
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no...  i gave a summary of where i thought our strengths and weaknesses were based off of what i knew about stanford, i tried to give you as much info as i could about ND, because based on other threads info was not correct, so i thought that info would lead to discussions, i asked some questions about qb, things went the other way before i could get into more.  If thats my fault, then my bad.  but i thought my opening talking about our d and your d and our O would go in that direction. 

Re: ND-Stanford - DenverCard - 09-30-2014

ND Irish:

For what's it's worth, I experienced your initial posting in the spirit that you have described it.  I regret that the direction of this discussion largely turned away from an analysis of X's and O's, coupled with light-hearted jousting, and instead digressed into what I consider excessive bashing of ND and defensiveness about the attributes of Stanford.  Seems your postings hit some nerves, but I did not experience them as critical or worthy of such sensitive responses from my fellow alumni.  As a rule, I don't like it when the discussion turns to the attributes of my alma mater.  I'm proud to have attended Stanford, and I believe others hold the school in high esteem. Enough said.  I downright hate it when the discussion turns into variations of "our school is better than your school."  I always though we were better than that.

I would also like to echo the comments of a previous poster who has attended games at ND.  I have been to 3 or 4, usually with a blend of Chicago-based alumni from both schools, and I've always had a very pleasant time.  Those in green have always treated me very well, even as I am decked out in bright red.  I cannot remember anyone who was other than gracious in victory or defeat.  I love the ND campus; it's expanse reminds me of Stanford.  Though not Catholic, I think I would have had a very good experience if I'd attended ND.

I appreciate you sticking your neck out by posting on this site, and I regret that the exchange was not as pleasant or respectful of you as I would have hoped for.

As to Saturday's game: Go Stanford!!!




Re: ND-Stanford - Leftcoast - 09-30-2014

Yeah, what he said! 

Well put, Denver Card.