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Re: Directors Cupdate - Langdude - 05-26-2015

I remember back in the 90s, when we were winning 3 or 4 a year, that most assumed we'd catch UCLA's total by around 2005. But we slowed down, and they've been doing well.


-m.

Re: Directors Cupdate - Farm93 - 05-26-2015

(05-26-2015, 08:55 PM)Langdude link Wrote:I remember back in the 90s, when we were winning 3 or 4 a year, that most assumed we'd catch UCLA's total by around 2005. But we slowed down, and they've been doing well.


-m.
I remember back in 1999 it was close enough that UCLA needed to wait until Stanford didn't win a few NCs in December before they could appoint themselves the school of the century.  In the last 15 years UCLA has actually expanded their lead a touch.  The count of Stanford NCs by decade reveals the change.  Don't have the numbers in front of me, but the average haul per year has dropped quite a bit.  80s were impressive.  90s were crazy.  00s were not bad.  10s have been really lean.


However, all of the Pac-12 schools are struggling to win.  Tennis, water polo, swimming, softball and volleyball used to be Pac-10 sports with each school battling other conference schools for titles.  Now, with the exception of water polo, those sports are going to other Power 5 conferences at least some of the time.

Re: Directors Cupdate - terry - 05-26-2015

I do not think UCLA had a national championship in 2001-02. UCLA had championships in spring of 2001 (2000-01 year) and fall of 2002 (2002-03 year), but I don't think they had any in the 2001-02 academic year. So I think UCLA's current championship streak is 13 years (2002-03 through 2014-15).

As Farm93 said, the next longest active streak is Penn State's 9 year streak.

So far as I can tell, the longest championship streaks ever are:

Stanford              39    1976-77 to 2014-15 (active)
U'S'C                    19    1959-60 to 1977-78
North Carolina      18    1980-81 to 1997-98
Arkansas              17    1983-84 to 1999-2000
UCLA                    13    1963-64 to 1975-76
UCLA                    13    1980-81 to 1992-93
UCLA                    13    2002-03 to 2014-15 (active)
LSU                      11    1986-87 to 1996-97
Denver                10    1959-60 to 1968-69
Yale                      9      1904-05 to 1912-13
U'S'C                    9    1934-35 to 1942-43
Iowa                      9    1977-78 to 1985-86
Texas                    9    1982-83 to 1990-91
Penn State              9    2006-07 to 2014-15 (active)

Apologies if I missed something.

Re: Directors Cupdate - Langdude - 05-26-2015

Man, Stanford athletes were such slackers in the 1975-76 school year.


-m.

Re: Directors Cupdate - Farm93 - 05-26-2015

(05-26-2015, 09:47 PM)terry link Wrote:I do not think UCLA had a national championship in 2001-02. UCLA had championships in spring of 2001 (2000-01 year) and fall of 2002 (2002-03 year), but I don't think they had any in the 2001-02 academic year. So I think UCLA's current championship streak is 13 years (2002-03 through 2014-15).

As Farm93 said, the next longest active streak is Penn State's 9 year streak.

So far as I can tell, the longest championship streaks ever are:

Stanford              39    1976-77 to 2014-15 (active)
U'S'C                    19    1959-60 to 1977-78
North Carolina      18    1980-81 to 1997-98
Arkansas              17    1983-84 to 1999-2000
UCLA                    13    1963-64 to 1975-76
UCLA                    13    1980-81 to 1992-93
UCLA                    13    2002-03 to 2014-15 (active)
LSU                      11    1986-87 to 1996-97
Denver                10    1959-60 to 1968-69
Yale                      9      1904-05 to 1912-13
U'S'C                    9    1934-35 to 1942-43
Iowa                      9    1977-78 to 1985-86
Texas                    9    1982-83 to 1990-91
Penn State              9    2006-07 to 2014-15 (active)

Apologies if I missed something.


That's what I get for trusting Wikipedia.  UCLA's women's indoor track & field results are shifted by year.  On the UCLA site it says 2001 & 2002, but on the women's indoor track & field page in Wikipedia it notes 2000 & 2001.


FWIW - I noticed that LSU's Wikipedia page includes their NACDA Director's cup results over time.  That was nice to see.

Re: Directors Cupdate - BigEasyCard - 05-27-2015

Women's Golf National Championship earns 100 Cup points, bringing the Cardinal minimum Cup total to about 1409.

UCLA now trails by about 231 points.

Geaux Cardinal!

Re: Directors Cupdate - TrumpCard - 05-27-2015

(05-27-2015, 04:52 PM)BigEasyCard link Wrote:Women's Golf National Championship earns 100 Cup points, bringing the Cardinal minimum Cup total to about 1409.

UCLA now trails by about 231 points.

Geaux Cardinal!


As I understand the calculation, this already includes 45 for men's golf, 25 for baseball, and 73 for softball.  That means that UCLA would get an additional 157 points for the highly improbable feat of winning national championships in all three of those three sports.  That still leaves a deficit of 74 points. 


UCLA would have only two remaining sports in which to bridge the gap, men's and women's outdoor track & field.  UCLA already scored with 10 women's teams, so the women's track team would only add to UCLA's overall score to the extent they exceed 45.5 points.  In other words, assuming the three national championships by UCLA and no further scoring by Stanford, UCLA would win the Cup with Top 15 finishes in both track competitions. 


Now keep in mind that neither team is ranked for UCLA.  The men's indoor team did not score for UCLA and the women's indoor team placed 28th. 


Also, keep in mind that Stanford is projected to score another 18 points in men's golf and 10 points in women's rowing based on current rankings.  If Stanford were to play to form in both those sports, UCLA would need three national championships plus two Top 10 finishes in track.


In other words, this Cup is in the refrigerator.

Re: Directors Cupdate - SUBuddha - 05-27-2015

Quote:In other words, this Cup is in the refrigerator.

Well now you went and did it.

Re: Directors Cupdate - TrumpCard - 05-27-2015

Director's Cup hypothetical*


School A wins the Director's Cup by 20 points.  School B comes in second.  20+ years later, a scandal erupts regarding pervasive academic fraud infecting multiple sports for many years at School A.  Based on the findings of an NCAA investigation, it is determined that a number of players on School A's teams were ineligible, and, as a result, the wins by School A's teams wins are vacated.  If the Director's Cup were re-scored with School A the losing points scored by the teams that had their wins vacated, then School B would have more total points. 


Questions:
Does School A have the Director's Cup vacated?  (I think yes)
Does School B win the Director's Cup retroactively?  (I think no)



*Note:  Of course, I am referring to UNC's win in the first year of the Cup.  I would like to be able to say that no other school has ever won the Cup, even if I have to put an asterisk at the end of that sentence.

Re: Directors Cupdate - Viking_Guy - 05-27-2015

Updated through today's women's golf CHAMPIONSHIP.

Stanford
Men
SportFinishPoints
Cross Country290
Gymnastics290
Swimming673.5
Water Polo372.5
Fencing1060
Tennis1750
Soccer1750
Football2645
Wrestling3538.5
Current total569.5

Men can still score points in: Golf (minimum of 45 points for being in the final 30 teams); Outdoor T+F (ranked 23 - would score roughly 48 points.)  If both score, the lowest scoring sport will be eliminated.

Minimum men's score: 614.5 (scoring 45 for golf)



Women
SportFinishPoints
Water Polo1100
Golf1100
Swimming385
Soccer383
Volleyball383
Gymnastics575
Tennis573
Indoor T+F870.5
Basketball964
Cross Country1461.5
Current total795

Field hockey drops out, despite finishing 5th and 60 points.

Women can still score points in: Rowing (ranked 6 - would score 72 points); Outdoor T+F (ranked 13 - would score roughly 63 points.)

Minimum score -795

Minimum total score: 1409.5

A couple of notes: the women's side will finish with AT LEAST an average team score of 79.5 - that's at least 10 teams averaging about a 4th place finish.  Talk about a breadth of excellence.  And if rowing finishes as they are ranked or better, every scoring team for Stanford's women will be top-10.

Would love to see what men's golf will add and what women's rowing could add.  But it would take that and a out-of-this-world performance in outdoor T+F to approach the record finish, from 2010-11, when Stanford scored an incredible 1550.25 points.  If they won both men's golf and women's rowing, they would need to score 150 points in outdoor T+F to beat that record - in other words, an average finish of 5th.

Re: Directors Cupdate - Viking_Guy - 05-27-2015

UCLA

Men
SportFinishPoints
Water Polo1100
Soccer290
Football1067.5
Basketball964
Tennis964
Cross Country1856
Indoor T+F625
Current total446.5

Men can still score points in: Golf (minimum of 45 points for being in the final 30); Baseball (minimum score of 25 for being in the field of 64 - number 1 overall seed); Outdoor Track and Field (unranked - didn't score in indoor.) Note UCLA may not score in 10 events for men if T+F does not.

Minimum score: 516.5. (With 45 more for golf and 25 minimum for baseball scored)
MAXIMUM TOTAL SCORE (with championships in all three sports): 746.5

Women
SportFinishPoints
Water Polo290
Tennis290
Soccer573
Gymnastics768.25
Volleyball964
Golf1560
Swimming2351
Cross Country2747
Indoor T+F2845.5
Current total588.75

Women can still score points in: Outdoor T+F (Unranked); Softball (ranked 7 - minimum of 73 points for being in WCWS Final Eight).

Scoring in one sport before beginning to lose sports.  Outdoor T+F will have to finish in 28th or better to displace Indoor T+F.

Minimum women's score: 661.75 (scoring 73 for softball)
MAXIMUM TOTAL SCORE (Championships in two sports, losing points for Indoor T+F): 743.25


Minimum total score: 1178.25
MAXIMUM TOTAL SCORE: 1489.75

So at this point, UCLA has an elimination total of 80.25 total points.  Any combination of Stanford gaining points in men's golf, women's rowing, or either outdoor T+F, or UCLA scoring anything below a national championship in any of the five remaining sports, will narrow that margin.

VG

Re: Directors Cupdate - Embo - 05-27-2015

(05-26-2015, 09:51 PM)Langdude link Wrote:Man, Stanford athletes were such slackers in the 1975-76 school year.

Some historical background on why Stanford did not win a championship in 1975-76:

The only teams that had the potential for winning a national title were men's tennis and water polo (there was no women's water polo in the NCAA back then.)  Stanford had just started its dominance in men's tennis in 1974.  But the NCAA championship was run in a different fashion.  Players were invited individually for the singles and doubles championship.  Their respective schools would earn points with each match win, with the "team" championship awarded to the school with the highest aggregate total.  Hence, a school could win the national title with just a couple of players, as long as they advanced deep into the tournament.  UCLA won as they had two strong players (Brian Teacher and Peter Fleming.  Fleming became famous for being John McEnroe's doubles partner as a pro.)


The team match format as we know it was introduced in 1976-77.  And yes, the Stanford men's tennis team won that.

Re: Directors Cupdate - BigEasyCard - 05-28-2015

(05-27-2015, 10:07 PM)Viking_Guy link Wrote:UCLA

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Minimum total score: 1178.25
MAXIMUM TOTAL SCORE: 1489.75

So at this point, UCLA has an elimination total of 80.25 total points.  Any combination of Stanford gaining points in men's golf, women's rowing, or either outdoor T+F, or UCLA scoring anything below a national championship in any of the five remaining sports, will narrow that margin.

VG

VG, thank you for enhancing your already comprehensive reporting with a "Magic Number". 

Some Stanford teams still have an opportunity to secure the Cup in two ways:

1. Score more points for Stanford
2. Finish ahead of UCLA in sports where they are both still competing, denying them essential Cup points.

Geaux Cardinal!

Re: Directors Cupdate - Farm93 - 05-28-2015

(05-28-2015, 04:49 AM)BigEasyCard link Wrote:[quote author=Viking_Guy link=topic=12122.msg119345#msg119345 date=1432789651]
UCLA

.....

Minimum total score: 1178.25
MAXIMUM TOTAL SCORE: 1489.75

So at this point, UCLA has an elimination total of 80.25 total points.  Any combination of Stanford gaining points in men's golf, women's rowing, or either outdoor T+F, or UCLA scoring anything below a national championship in any of the five remaining sports, will narrow that margin.

VG

VG, thank you for enhancing your already comprehensive reporting with a "Magic Number". 

Some Stanford teams still have an opportunity to secure the Cup in two ways:

1. Score more points for Stanford
2. Finish ahead of UCLA in sports where they are both still competing, denying them essential Cup points.

Geaux Cardinal!
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T&F is a very predictable sport.  Occasionally an 8th ranked sprinter will win a final and every once and a while an elite athlete or two will combine to win 3 or more events earning just enough points to get a team title.  However, UCLA's teams do not have enough elite athletes capable of winning events to win the national meet over squads with a dozen or more elite athletes.  The people UCLA can send to the T&F championships are not winning two NCAA team titles will not happen.

Oregon, the SEC's best and teams from Texas will probably battle for the title.  It is possible USC gets into the top 5, but UCLA really has no chance. 

This is like a baseball team up by 25 games with 27 left to play.  Their magic number may be 3, but the thing is OVER.  Oh and BTW realistically Stanford has a better chance to win T&F team title and that also is not going to happen.

Re: Directors Cupdate - yvonne - 05-28-2015

Wow, times have really changed. In the 1980s, UCLA was the it school for sprinters.



Re: Directors Cupdate - yvonne - 05-28-2015

Yeah, OK. I'm getting old. I realize that.

Re: Directors Cupdate - Farm93 - 05-28-2015

(05-28-2015, 09:55 AM)Yvonne link Wrote:Yeah, OK. I'm getting old. I realize that.
In fairness, I had to check UCLA's track page because I also remember when UCLA had a contending track program.  However, even if they won a team title 4 years ago, the reality is the people on the squad today are not going to get UCLA into the top 10 in Eugene.

Golf really allows lower ranked teams to win the day on the right course with the right weather, etc.  Track is more consistent.  If 5 or 6 athletes have run sub 10.4 in the 100m multiple times in a season, I don't care how confident the guy with a PB at 10.7 is going into the meet.  He will not win that race.  He may get another personal best running against the best, but he will not win that race.

And for UCLA to finish in the top 10 in Eugene they will need 8 or 9 miracle workers.  And if they did uncover that many miracle results, members of the IAAF would likely ask for a few pints of blood.

That said UCLA is sending 32 athletes to the regional, so they have enough athletes to win.  They just lack the PBs to be credible, and their best athletes are in the events least likely to produce big upsets.

I just hope UCLA stays at 112 this spring.

Re: Directors Cupdate - Mick - 05-28-2015

(05-28-2015, 10:05 AM)ferrari link Wrote:[quote author=Yvonne link=topic=12122.msg119379#msg119379 date=1432832152]
Yeah, OK. I'm getting old. I realize that.


Hang on, Yvonne, the best is yet to come! (They always say that, right?). I remember when the Cardboard's predecessor was burning with posts about Bob Mathias, which flew around as fast as the mailman could deliver them!  We won the Montgomery Ward Cup that year!
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Wasn't there a local school once nicknamed "Speed City?"

Re: Directors Cupdate - BobK - 05-29-2015

Gee no track fans.  LOL San Jose State was Speed City.
Tommie Smith
Lee Evans
John Carlos
Ronny Ray Smith
Wayne Herman
My brother. 
And more. 

Re: Directors Cupdate - yvonne - 05-29-2015

I thought Mick was being sarcastic.