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RE: Austin Jones to the portal - Mick - 01-22-2022

(01-20-2022, 06:47 PM)old spanish trail Wrote:
(01-20-2022, 05:44 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:
(01-20-2022, 05:32 PM)AthleticsDynasty Wrote:
(01-12-2022, 01:13 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: I'm ambivalent about all things Stanford Football now. There is no indication anything is getting better and how can Jones transferring make anything worse?
McCaffrey 'bowl opting' was the skillshot for Stanford football

And the nail in the coffin was the moment the portal became a thing.

College football is nothing but glorified minor league football. For Stanford It's too difficult to get in and too easy to get out. We could have the greatest coaches in the universe and it wouldn't make a bit of difference

Having better coaches would ABSOLUTELY make a difference. Even if the W-L column wouldn't change (which it still would), there's a massive difference between actually being competitive in every game and getting completely bullied off the field with the team clearly quitting on the coaches.

Hmmm, willing to suggest which coaches should be changed out?

Maybe we can get them to enter the portal...

(01-21-2022, 10:16 AM)Phogge Wrote: I like the Ivy League scenario. Picture it:

Beautiful Fall day at the stadium. Paper tickets, no scholies, no Red Coats, only hot dogs and soda, BYOB. Small band basketball style. No insidious twenty year old band announcers, plenty of room to relax, take a nap. Problem is finding opponents.

I went to one of those games. Once. First play was a pass to the flat. WR does a one step juke, sprints hard for the sidelines. QB throws the ball into the ground five yards in front of the receiver on a very short throw. Easier to watch Paly vs. Los Gatos...

(01-21-2022, 12:58 PM)Papa John Wrote: Here's a clunky way to look at it, but at least it's data-driven. It's the delta between the number of stars that transfer in versus out. So if you lose a 3-star but gain a 4-star, you have a +1 margin. Of course it doesn't take into account things like playing time, position of need and years of eligibility, but someone else can attempt that exercise if they have the time.

Utah: 0
Arizona State: -6
Oregon State: -11
Cal: -14
Oregon: -22
Stanford: -22
Washington State: -23
USC: -26
UCLA: -28
Arizona: -31
Washington: -32
Colorado: -51 (!)

To this point, not a single team in the conference has a net gain of recruiting stars. Stanford's transfer results are somewhere in the middle of the Pac-12. We'll see how things shake out in the next few months.

Looks like a Pac-12 problem vs. a Stanford problem. And certainly a Colorado problem...

RE: lex24 - teejers1 - 01-22-2022

(01-22-2022, 10:21 AM)lex24 Wrote:
(01-22-2022, 09:12 AM)gailtate Wrote:
(01-21-2022, 10:24 PM)martyup Wrote: If Dye is coming to USC, Jones should go to Oregon.

In case you've missed it, $C's on the rise. Look at the bright side: a chance someday for a new Greatest Upset Ever tee shirt. Hey, you gotta look forward to something related to football, right?

Let’s at least wait until they play a game. I realize Lincoln Riley is the greatest thing since sliced bread. But bread can get moldy….

Do you think Stanford will beat USC next season?

I realize we will know more when the respective teams actually start to play games, but what would you say are the chances of a Stanford W are, based on just what you know now?

I'd slot that at around 10-15%.

Stanford has "freefall" vibe; SC has "rising" vibe.
Not good.

RE: Austin Jones to the portal (to U$C) - Phogge - 01-22-2022

Hey Mick we used to see that play all the time except it was Mike Cordova throwing it. He even inspired the band to do a skit with a musician tosses the ball into the turf. Band was actually funny back then. And it had Michaelson for an announcer.

There are some very good programs in the North Bay. Marin Catholic, San Marin, Cardinal Newman.

lex24 - lex24 - 01-22-2022

(01-22-2022, 10:56 AM)teejers1 Wrote:
(01-22-2022, 10:21 AM)lex24 Wrote:
(01-22-2022, 09:12 AM)gailtate Wrote:
(01-21-2022, 10:24 PM)martyup Wrote: If Dye is coming to USC, Jones should go to Oregon.

In case you've missed it, $C's on the rise. Look at the bright side: a chance someday for a new Greatest Upset Ever tee shirt. Hey, you gotta look forward to something related to football, right?

Let’s at least wait until they play a game. I realize Lincoln Riley is the greatest thing since sliced bread. But bread can get moldy….

Do you think Stanford will beat USC next season?

I realize we will know more when the respective teams actually start to play games, but what would you say are the chances of a Stanford W are, based on just what you know now?

I'd slot that at around 10-15%.

Stanford has "freefall" vibe; SC has "rising" vibe.
Not good.

USC will win 109-0. There, happy?

RE: Austin Jones to the portal (to U$C) - Goose - 01-22-2022

(01-22-2022, 11:05 AM)Phogge Wrote: Hey Mick we used to see that play all the time except it was Mike Cordova throwing it. He even inspired the band to do a skit with a musician tosses the ball into the turf. Band was actually funny back then. And it had Michaelson for an announcer.

There are some very good programs in the North Bay. Marin Catholic, San Marin, Cardinal Newman.

You mean Cordivot? Seriously, fans (and the band) were ruthless back in the day. Never would fly today I suspect.

lex24 - lex24 - 01-22-2022

(01-22-2022, 11:16 AM)Goose Wrote:
(01-22-2022, 11:05 AM)Phogge Wrote: Hey Mick we used to see that play all the time except it was Mike Cordova throwing it. He even inspired the band to do a skit with a musician tosses the ball into the turf. Band was actually funny back then. And it had Michaelson for an announcer.

There are some very good programs in the North Bay. Marin Catholic, San Marin, Cardinal Newman.
You mean Cordivot? Seriously, fans (and the band) were ruthless back in the day. Never would fly today I suspect.

Built like Jim Plunkett. Big strong dude. Threw a great sinker ball. If they allowed one hop throws, he would have been a great one. Then there was the skinny sleepy looking Guy. Cordova looked the part. Benjamin only threw a beautiful ball. Was obvious to everyone but the only one that mattered that Benjamin was the much better QB.

RE: Austin Jones to the portal (to U$C) - BostonCard - 01-22-2022

USC always has a “rising” vibe, followed by an “overrated” vibe once they take the field. Maybe this time it will be different, but let’s see them play some games before we announce the newest guy the savior.

That being said, I’m not disputing your characterization of Stanford. We are in for a tough year; no amount of wishcastung will produce us a experienced and deep defensive line.

BC

RE: lex24 - 82lsju - 01-22-2022

(01-22-2022, 10:56 AM)teejers1 Wrote: Do you think Stanford will beat USC next season?

probably not, but I thought the same thing this season.....

RE: lex24 - JohnR34231 - 01-22-2022

(01-22-2022, 11:14 AM)lex24 Wrote:
(01-22-2022, 10:56 AM)teejers1 Wrote:
(01-22-2022, 10:21 AM)lex24 Wrote:
(01-22-2022, 09:12 AM)gailtate Wrote:
(01-21-2022, 10:24 PM)martyup Wrote: If Dye is coming to USC, Jones should go to Oregon.

In case you've missed it, $C's on the rise. Look at the bright side: a chance someday for a new Greatest Upset Ever tee shirt. Hey, you gotta look forward to something related to football, right?

Let’s at least wait until they play a game. I realize Lincoln Riley is the greatest thing since sliced bread. But bread can get moldy….

Do you think Stanford will beat USC next season?

I realize we will know more when the respective teams actually start to play games, but what would you say are the chances of a Stanford W are, based on just what you know now?

I'd slot that at around 10-15%.

Stanford has "freefall" vibe; SC has "rising" vibe.
Not good.

USC will win 109-0. There, happy?

They will beat us by 2000 points.
John McKay's fondest wish will come true 50 years later.

RE: lex24 - teejers1 - 01-22-2022

(01-22-2022, 11:14 AM)lex24 Wrote:
(01-22-2022, 10:56 AM)teejers1 Wrote:
(01-22-2022, 10:21 AM)lex24 Wrote:
(01-22-2022, 09:12 AM)gailtate Wrote:
(01-21-2022, 10:24 PM)martyup Wrote: If Dye is coming to USC, Jones should go to Oregon.

In case you've missed it, $C's on the rise. Look at the bright side: a chance someday for a new Greatest Upset Ever tee shirt. Hey, you gotta look forward to something related to football, right?

Let’s at least wait until they play a game. I realize Lincoln Riley is the greatest thing since sliced bread. But bread can get moldy….

Do you think Stanford will beat USC next season?

I realize we will know more when the respective teams actually start to play games, but what would you say are the chances of a Stanford W are, based on just what you know now?

I'd slot that at around 10-15%.

Stanford has "freefall" vibe; SC has "rising" vibe.
Not good.

USC will win 109-0. There, happy?

I get that it must be tough for longtime Shaw defenders to engage in discussion when the house is falling down and it's obvious who is to blame.

To answer your question, no I'm not happy with Stanford football. But even I don't think the score will be 109-0.

lex24 - lex24 - 01-22-2022

(01-22-2022, 12:35 PM)teejers1 Wrote:
(01-22-2022, 11:14 AM)lex24 Wrote:
(01-22-2022, 10:56 AM)teejers1 Wrote:
(01-22-2022, 10:21 AM)lex24 Wrote:
(01-22-2022, 09:12 AM)gailtate Wrote: In case you've missed it, $C's on the rise. Look at the bright side: a chance someday for a new Greatest Upset Ever tee shirt. Hey, you gotta look forward to something related to football, right?

Let’s at least wait until they play a game. I realize Lincoln Riley is the greatest thing since sliced bread. But bread can get moldy….

Do you think Stanford will beat USC next season?

I realize we will know more when the respective teams actually start to play games, but what would you say are the chances of a Stanford W are, based on just what you know now?

I'd slot that at around 10-15%.

Stanford has "freefall" vibe; SC has "rising" vibe.
Not good.

USC will win 109-0. There, happy?

I get that it must be tough for longtime Shaw defenders to engage in discussion when the house is falling down and it's obvious who is to blame.

To answer your question, no I'm not happy with Stanford football. But even I don't think the score will be 109-0.

Teejers, we get it. Shaw sucks. Always has. The program is in the toilet. You’ve said that approximately 1,000 times now.

He is the most successful Stanford coach of your lifetime, but that was based on good fortune. And it is actually all attributable to Harbaugh. Even when they won, he sucked. If he had been a good coach, Stanford would have won multiple NCs. Cause of course, that is where Stanford has been historically.

My “defense” of Shaw is predicated on what I perceive (and perceived) to be the lack of respect for what he achieved. Hell, I remember people screaming he should be fired in early ‘14. And my belief, which continues to this day, that he had the right formula (which actually started with JH) with his power and complimentary football blue print. I wish he’d get back to recruiting to it.

Things look bleak today. I grant you that. And if they have another year like ‘21 in ‘22, he should be on the hot seat.

And FTR as they say, I said many times during the good times that it wouldn’t last. Because there was nothing in the 50 years prior that gave reason to believe that Stanford would be a perennial football power.

Personally, I hope they begin turning it around next year. But not sure that’s gonna happen. So, maybe soon you will get your wish.

RE: Austin Jones to the portal (to U$C) - Griffins78 - 01-22-2022

(01-21-2022, 12:58 PM)Papa John Wrote: Here's a clunky way to look at it, but at least it's data-driven. It's the delta between the number of stars that transfer in versus out. So if you lose a 3-star but gain a 4-star, you have a +1 margin. Of course it doesn't take into account things like playing time, position of need and years of eligibility, but someone else can attempt that exercise if they have the time.

Utah: 0
Arizona State: -6
Oregon State: -11
Cal: -14
Oregon: -22
Stanford: -22
Washington State: -23
USC: -26
UCLA: -28
Arizona: -31
Washington: -32
Colorado: -51 (!)

To this point, not a single team in the conference has a net gain of recruiting stars. Stanford's transfer results are somewhere in the middle of the Pac-12. We'll see how things shake out in the next few months.

Very interesting research/data Papa John. Wow, this does tell an insightful story. Of course one wonders how it looks as a percentage of total stars (schools with few stars have fewer to lose) and how it looks at other schools/conferences so we could see where players are transferring to. But with this data it does make me concerned for the Pac-12 in general.

RE: Austin Jones to the portal (to U$C) - qwerty49 - 01-22-2022

(01-22-2022, 11:16 AM)Goose Wrote:
(01-22-2022, 11:05 AM)Phogge Wrote: Hey Mick we used to see that play all the time except it was Mike Cordova throwing it. He even inspired the band to do a skit with a musician tosses the ball into the turf. Band was actually funny back then. And it had Michaelson for an announcer.

There are some very good programs in the North Bay. Marin Catholic, San Marin, Cardinal Newman.
You mean Cordivot? Seriously, fans (and the band) were ruthless back in the day. Never would fly today I suspect.

"The WormKiller"

RE: lex24 - JohnR34231 - 01-23-2022

(01-22-2022, 11:23 AM)lex24 Wrote:
(01-22-2022, 11:16 AM)Goose Wrote:
(01-22-2022, 11:05 AM)Phogge Wrote: Hey Mick we used to see that play all the time except it was Mike Cordova throwing it. He even inspired the band to do a skit with a musician tosses the ball into the turf. Band was actually funny back then. And it had Michaelson for an announcer.

There are some very good programs in the North Bay. Marin Catholic, San Marin, Cardinal Newman.
You mean Cordivot? Seriously, fans (and the band) were ruthless back in the day. Never would fly today I suspect.

Built like Jim Plunkett. Big strong dude. Threw a great sinker ball. If they allowed one hop throws, he would have been a great one. Then there was the skinny sleepy looking Guy. Cordova looked the part. Benjamin only threw a beautiful ball. Was obvious to everyone but the only one that mattered that Benjamin was the much better QB.

Cordova reportedly had a lot of EUTM.
Benjamin was a bit of a sulker.
Also, Cordova had days in practice where he looked and played just like Plunkett. Unfortunately he could never translate this into consistency on game day.

RE: Austin Jones to the portal (to U$C) - JohnR34231 - 01-23-2022

(01-22-2022, 11:25 AM)BostonCard Wrote: USC always has a “rising” vibe, followed by an “overrated” vibe once they take the field. Maybe this time it will be different, but let’s see them play some games before we announce the newest guy the savior.

That being said, I’m not disputing your characterization of Stanford. We are in for a tough year; no amount of wishcastung will produce us a experienced and deep defensive line.

BC

The defense will struggle this fall. That's pretty much a given.
Just hoping that with McKee throwing to a talented, experienced receiver corps and E.J. and Filkins running behind what will hopefully be an improved OL, we will be able to score enough points to allow us to win at least some games.

RE: Austin Jones to the portal (to U$C) - gailtate - 01-23-2022

(01-23-2022, 06:13 AM)JohnR34231 Wrote:
(01-22-2022, 11:25 AM)BostonCard Wrote: USC always has a “rising” vibe, followed by an “overrated” vibe once they take the field. Maybe this time it will be different, but let’s see them play some games before we announce the newest guy the savior.

That being said, I’m not disputing your characterization of Stanford. We are in for a tough year; no amount of wishcastung will produce us a experienced and deep defensive line.

BC

The defense will struggle this fall. That's pretty much a given.
Just hoping that with McKee throwing to a talented, experienced receiver corps and E.J. and Filkins running behind what will hopefully be an improved OL, we will be able to score enough points to allow us to win at least some games.

...and players undergo body-transplants and morph into Bama/Georgia athletes while Shaw channels Saban in the next six weeks following a successful personality overhaul. Oh, and Steve Frost loses his loud-mouth impersonation of NBA public-address clowns. And Muir finds a new job somewhere else.

RE: Austin Jones to the portal (to U$C) - JohnR34231 - 01-23-2022

(01-23-2022, 09:19 AM)gailtate Wrote:
(01-23-2022, 06:13 AM)JohnR34231 Wrote:
(01-22-2022, 11:25 AM)BostonCard Wrote: USC always has a “rising” vibe, followed by an “overrated” vibe once they take the field. Maybe this time it will be different, but let’s see them play some games before we announce the newest guy the savior.

That being said, I’m not disputing your characterization of Stanford. We are in for a tough year; no amount of wishcastung will produce us a experienced and deep defensive line.

BC

The defense will struggle this fall. That's pretty much a given.
Just hoping that with McKee throwing to a talented, experienced receiver corps and E.J. and Filkins running behind what will hopefully be an improved OL, we will be able to score enough points to allow us to win at least some games.

...and players undergo body-transplants and morph into Bama/Georgia athletes while Shaw channels Saban in the next six weeks following a successful personality overhaul. Oh, and Steve Frost loses his loud-mouth impersonation of NBA public-address clowns. And Muir finds a new job somewhere else.

Yeah, that was expected. Anyone who shows the slightest bit of optimism here about next season will feel the wrath of the Shaw boo-birds.