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Re: Week 1 Games of Interest - BostonCard - 09-04-2016

I'm also feeling like we ought to be able to move against Notre Dame.  Not too impressed with their D, and their safety (who started when the projected starter was kicked off the team for racking up Fullmer Cup points), got leveled and had to be taken out.  Texas should have won in regulation, but a dumb chop block pushed them from the outer reaches of field goal range to way out of range.

BC

Re: Week 1 Games of Interest - stupac2 - 09-04-2016

I dunno, Texas seemed stout on both lines and that new freshman QB looked great. I could see them making some noise in the Big 12.

But yes, that was a quite enjoyable game, and now 3 of the top 10 teams have lost, with another needing OT to put away a G5 team. I wonder when we last saw carnage like this...

(09-04-2016, 08:50 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:I'm also feeling like we ought to be able to move against UFDFG.  Not too impressed with their D, and their safety (who started when the projected starter was kicked off the team for racking up Fullmer Cup points), got leveled and had to be taken out.  Texas should have won in regulation, but a dumb chop block pushed them from the outer reaches of field goal range to way out of range.

BC

The Cal transfer out to be able to come back by our game since he seemed like he just got his bell rung, and oddly college has fewer rules about that than the NFL. But still, I'd hope our OL is better than Texas's and they were opening enormous holes.

Also, on the chop block, the replay made it look like he tried to go low but didn't actually make contact, though I guess the back judge would have a hard time seeing that. Dumb, dumb penalty at about the worst possible time, though it ended up working out fine.

Re: Week 1 Games of Interest - washingtonismoney - 09-04-2016

I'd like to make fun of this but...

https://twitter.com/PeteSampson_/status/772646067548528640

Shaw put on a similar reality-denying routine back in 2012 that I'm pretty sure he was lying throughout.

Re: Week 1 Games of Interest - Durty Nelly - 09-05-2016

A Florida State loss tonight would put a real exclamation point on the first weekend of games and further open up the opportunities for the playoffs.  We should feel good about the win and being relatively healthy (pending Phillips status).

Re: Week 1 Games of Interest - thunder_chik - 09-05-2016

A trifecta of schadenfreude:  'Ruins losing to Texas A&M, U$C being crushed by 'Bama, and UDFG falling to the Longhorns.  Last night's game was by far the most entertaining... :P

Re: Week 1 Games of Interest - French Rage - 09-05-2016

(09-05-2016, 09:07 AM)thunder_chik link Wrote:A trifecta of schadenfreude:  'Ruins losing to Texas A&M, U$C being crushed by 'Bama, and UDFG falling to the Longhorns.  Last night's game was by far the most entertaining... :P

The opponents in what is supposed to be gauntlet part of our schedule go 1-4 in the first week.  Granted this is a small sample set and you have to look at who their opponents were, but an interesting start to the season.

Re: Week 1 Games of Interest - fullmetal - 09-05-2016

The eventual Pac-12 champ will have no margin for error if there is to be a Pac-12 team in the playoffs.  The conference kinda looked like dog food this weekend.  OTOH, that means most of our eventual opponents also looked like dog food, and we can breath a little more easily.  (But...Oregon...)

Texas ran the ball against UDFG with a halftime zone-read QB and a bruising RB.  We've got a pretty good RB too, so I'm hopeful.

Expectations are such that now if Stanford doesn't crush U$C, I'm sure the national media will be pointing at the margin and making disparaging noises at our transitively relative comparison to Bama.  I don't think U$C has another mental meltdown like this again--not if Helton has ever coached a day in his life--so Stanford won't come out that far ahead of U$C.  Also, it's Shaw, so he'll play the backups and conservative offense to avoid injury risk/tipping his hand.  They're only opponent #2...

UFDFG also lined up its CBs tight to the LOS, as noted by the announcers at some point.  Really good way to get burned on a go route.

What a weekend.

Re: Week 1 Games of Interest - jacketree - 09-05-2016

(09-05-2016, 01:10 PM)fullmetal link Wrote:Also, it's Shaw, so he'll play the backups and conservative offense to avoid injury risk/tipping his hand.  They're only opponent #2...

We should discuss this.

a. Injuries can happen anytime regardless of how close a game is. I get pulling starters in a blowout either way; but isn't that more to prepare guys further down the depth chart more than to avoid injury?

b. If Shaw is holding anything back because USC is 'only opponent #2' he needs to have his head examined. I don't think that is the case.  And doesn't Stanford's playbook rival War and Peace for page count?  What's to hold back?

c. There was a little too much McCaffrey running out of it's obvious McCaffrey will be running formations for my taste the other night.

Re: Week 1 Games of Interest - fullmetal - 09-05-2016

I'm the first one to lambast Shaw for conservative playcalling.  You have to practice your plays in game situations.  But the results over the last few years are tepidly supportive of Shaw's strategy...last year was a clear argument against it though.

Pulling the starters can be good for any number of reasons.  Not opposed.

Shaw can hold back for Oregon as well.  We desperately need to beat Oregon to win the north.  We've had too many issues with Oregon to not keep them in the long-range target reticle from week 1.

I think the McCaffrey-into-a-wall plays put too much wear and tear on him, tbh.  Not a fan.

Re: Week 1 Games of Interest - jacketree - 09-05-2016

True, but losing to USC doesn't help Stanford win the North.  What does everyone mean by "holding back"? A number of people have said how smart Shaw was to not put anything on film.  Do we really think he is conservative because he wants to leave boring film for upcoming opponents, or just because tends to be conservative given the game circumstances?  Until K-State was within six points with two minutes and change left plus possession for a failed onside kick the outcome seemed pretty solid.  Maybe that thinking is a mistake.  I'd much rather see the killer instinct we often see from him, especially in his first year (take no prisoners) and even last year.  Lead foot throughout the Rose Bowl mostly.

I thought the playbook was Yuuuge?  I have a hard time believing Shaw is that disrespectful to opponents/delusional to think he can "hold back" against any team on the schedule.  I guess maybe LSU was holding back so they didn't tip their hand to upcoming SEC opponents....

Re: Week 1 Games of Interest - BostonCard - 09-05-2016

I think you are being a bit overwrought.  First of all, the game that really mattered for the playoffs ended 26-13, good guys, against a P5 opponent.  Secondly, all conferences had their ups and downs.  The SEC is cumulatively went measely 7-6 (and has a good shot of losing tonight to make it 7-7).  Nobody is talking about the SEC having no room for error.  Really, WSU was the only real upset loss.  Other conferences had some high profile losses (Oklahoma, LSU, etc.).  More importantly, the conference will be judged based on the record of its best team or two teams with regards to how the playoffs select, and those will be compared to the top teams in other conferences.

Lots of football left until we have to worry about playoff implications.  My biggest takeaway from the week end are that many of our upcoming foes are beatable.  And that game in Seattle is looming larger.

BC

Re: Week 1 Games of Interest - stupac2 - 09-05-2016

(09-05-2016, 04:31 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:Lots of football left until we have to worry about playoff implications.  My biggest takeaway from the week end are that many of our upcoming foes are beatable.  And that game in Seattle is looming larger.

Exactly, I think a lot of the things people have been saying are waaaaaaay premature.

Also, re: Shaw's playcalling, I just re-watched the whole game and I think it's flat-out wrong. There was one series where Shaw went full turtle and it was with a 13-point lead and 6 minutes left in the game. Running the ball 3 times used up ~90 seconds of playclock and a KSU timeout. That was worth it.

The rest of the series were either KSU making some great plays (there was one run were McCaffrey might've been gone if not for a defender grabbing his shoe as he ran by!), Burns making some bad throws that he had made fine earlier in the game, or the OL just failing to open holes. And note that there's like 3-5 plays in each of those categories, it's not like we're talking about a brobdingnagian sample.

My takeaway from the game is essentially the same as watching it live: overall a good performance, a few things to work on, and this team's ceiling is high.

Re: Week 1 Games of Interest - BostonCard - 09-05-2016

Also, on two of the third down plays in the second half, Burns made the throw to a receiver who was short of the goal-to-go mark.  Both were third and longs, and I'm not sure if that was the check-down throw or if it was a poorly designed play.  With the lead, however, you could argue better that than trying to force the play into coverage.  We punted on both 4th downs (one might have been a pretty reasonable test for Ukropina, which would have been about a 54 yard field goal), and down both within the 5 yard line, eventually leading to a safety on one of the two.

BC

Re: Week 1 Games of Interest - TreesAndBirds - 09-05-2016

Looks like another top 5 team in trouble....

Ole Miss 21
FSU.        3

First half

Re: Week 1 Games of Interest - ThePassionOfTheChryst - 09-05-2016

We began the season ranked #8 and won, and at least two (and potentially three) of the teams ahead of us lost.  That should put us up to 5 or 6 in the AP by tomorrow, which essentially means if we take care of business this year the playoffs should take care of themselves.  I'm not too worried about how the rest of the conference looked.

Re: Week 1 Games of Interest - washingtonismoney - 09-05-2016

It always amazes me the imagination people put into various hypothetical playoff scenarios, etc. I still think it's pretty simple! Win your conference unbeaten and you're definitely in; win your conference with one overall loss and you're probably in. In that sense, rankings in the second week of the season aren't terribly meaningful.

Re: Week 1 Games of Interest - ThePassionOfTheChryst - 09-05-2016

(09-05-2016, 06:43 PM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:It always amazes me the imagination people put into various hypothetical playoff scenarios, etc. I still think it's pretty simple! Win your conference unbeaten and you're definitely in; win your conference with one overall loss and you're probably in. In that sense, rankings in the second week of the season aren't terribly meaningful.

Pretty much, yeah.  I have a tough time seeing an unbeaten P5 conference champion (one who has ranked #8 when the season kicked off, no less) being snubbed. No need to stress ourselves over hypotheticals until such time as the loss column has a nonzero value.

Re: Week 1 Games of Interest - BostonCard - 09-05-2016

(09-05-2016, 06:19 PM)TreesAndBirds link Wrote:Looks like another top 5 team in trouble....

Ole Miss 21
FSU.        3

First half

Now 28-6 Ole Miss.  Still the first half.  Unless the 'Noles turn it around, that's a pretty bad loss for a team that will likely only have a couple more chances to prove itself (Clemson, Florida, Louisville, and maybe North Carolina; it doesn't play Notre Dame this year).  WE have that many tough games just in the first half of the season.

BC

Re: Week 1 Games of Interest - BostonCard - 09-05-2016

Also, Delvin Cook, who has been talked about for the H-award has 10 carries for 16 yards, and one very costly fumble.

Quote:COOK FUMBLES THE BALL TO MISS OUT ON EASY TOUCHDOWN
Dalvin Cook catches the ball with all kinds of space to waltz into the end zone until he fumbles before crossing the goal line. Florida State would fail to punch it in and have to settle for a field goal.

BC

Re: Week 1 Games of Interest - ThePassionOfTheChryst - 09-05-2016

Chad Kelly is certainly making Uncle Jim proud tonight.