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RE: Utah game thread - BostonCard - 10-06-2018
Fourth turnover, from the guy who supposedly has the best hands. Trying to do too much.
Seems like a very apropos way to end, and it saves us from any injuries in ganache time.
BC
RE: Utah game thread - martyup - 10-06-2018
Turnovers 4-0. **** me.
LOSING SUCKS!! Let's hope this team doesn't make a habit of it. Good night Cardboard.
RE: Utah game thread - BostonCard - 10-06-2018
The good news is that we can’t pose next week.
Gonna wallow in some
Post game bacon wrapped hot dogs.
BC
RE: Utah game thread - needle - 10-06-2018
I hope Costello doesn't punch a wall (or worse).
RE: Utah game thread - JPR36 - 10-06-2018
(10-06-2018, 10:28 PM)martyup Wrote: Turnovers 4-0. Fukc me.
LOSING SUCKS!! Let's hope this team doesn't make a habit of it. Good night Cardboard.
Believe it or not we actually outgained and got more first downs than the Utes.
RE: Utah game thread - Orange Mark - 10-06-2018
Defensive line and secondary and spectacularly subpar.
How of them would have started between ‘10-‘16?
RE: Utah game thread - BostonCard - 10-06-2018
(10-06-2018, 10:32 PM)JPR36 Wrote:(10-06-2018, 10:28 PM)martyup Wrote: Turnovers 4-0. Fukc me.
LOSING SUCKS!! Let's hope this team doesn't make a habit of it. Good night Cardboard.
Believe it or not we actually outgained and got more first downs than the Utes.
Four turnovers will do that.
BC
(10-06-2018, 10:33 PM)Orange Mark Wrote: Defensive line and secondary and spectacularly subpar.
How of them would have started between ‘10-‘16?
Well, Adebo and Holder (in fact Holder did start in 2016). As TC noted, our safeties left a bit to be desired.
Booker looked to be out there a lot. Probably says more about the other DE’s, but I bet he’s eventually good enough.
The offensive line played less bad today (all the Utah sacks weren’t on blitzes). But it still has a ways to go.
BC
BC
RE: Utah game thread - Austroturf - 10-06-2018
Absolutely dreadful performance. This team is coming unglued. We plummet out of the rankings (deservedly so) after this shameful exhibition. Four turnovers! What happened to execution?
RE: Utah game thread - winflop - 10-06-2018
Well that was positively awful - on too many dimensions to describe right now. I'm tired, I'm thoroughly pissed off, and I'm really glad I don't have to watch this team next Saturday.
RE: Utah game thread - Austroturf - 10-06-2018
(10-06-2018, 11:15 PM)winflop Wrote: Well that was positively awful - on too many dimensions to describe right now. I'm tired, I'm thoroughly pissed off, and I'm really glad I don't have to watch this team next Saturday.My sentiments exactly. I need a Bye to flush my mind of Stanford football and any expectations I had for this season.
RE: Utah game thread - SF_Cardinal_Fan - 10-06-2018
I just returned home from Stanford's away game against Utah at Stanford Stadium.
RE: Utah game thread - Austroturf - 10-06-2018
(10-06-2018, 11:26 PM)SF_Cardinal_Fan Wrote: I just returned home from Stanford's away game against Utah at Stanford Stadium.
What an embarrassing display against a mid-level team in our own house. This surpasses my worst expectations (which had us getting pipped by a last second FG -- at the very worst). No words at the moment.
RE: Utah game thread - needle - 10-06-2018
The scariest stat is not one of the ugly ones, like the Stanford running backs with 73 yards on 23 attempts or the defense allowing Huntley to throw for an 81 percent completion percentage.
Stanford was three-for-three on fourth down. Considering how lopsided the outcome *still* ended up being, that's the scariest stat.
RE: Utah game thread - d4cohn - 10-06-2018
I want to first preface my comments by saying I love this program, and what it stands for, and the men of character that we have coaching the team and on the field (which is ultimately most important). Even though the past couple of weeks have been tough, I think it is important to remember this perspective amid our collective disappointment.
Tonight was a tougher loss than Notre Dame for me, because unlike Notre Dame, where I felt the Irish were clearly the better and more talented team, I felt that we were the more talented (but obviously not better) team tonight. However, we made more avoidable mistakes than I can recall us making in a long time that gifted points to Utah, or took points off the board on our end:
1) The running into the punter penalty, ultimately leading to Utah's 1st TD, instead of us getting the ball in a scoreless game (albeit likely backed up)
2) The most costly was the pick six, which turned a likely 7-7 game (at worst 7-3 game), into a 14-0 game
3) 2nd INT, which took a likely 3 points off the board
4) The very poor defensive scheme with :08 left (even though I know we nearly got burned for a TD on the previous play), to leave the intermediate pass wide open (thanks to dropping three guys at the goaline), with the space completely vacated, leading to the necessary yardage to tack on 3 points before half (another big back-breaker)
5) Missed sack, and blown coverage by No.5, compounded by another poor angle, leading to TD that made it 37-21 and once and for all iced the game
Very thankfully, we have a bye after this, because I think we are clearly in need of a reset (not necessarily so much in scheme, though there are some scheme changes that might be made on defense). Other solace we can take is that this is only the first Pac-12 loss, and the loss was to a team from the South, rather than the North.
However, any margin of error is completely gone, and we are staring at a very tough road game in a week and a half against a desperate (but I think pretty solid) ASU team. I hope we are ready for the challenge.
RE: Utah game thread - Austroturf - 10-06-2018
So where does the team stand after 6 games?
The run defense is a disaster.
Pass coverage is weak.
Our own rushing game is non-existent.
Our execution is shoddy.
Our O-line is a hot mess
Yes, we can pass it if Costello gets some protection and doesn't throw a pick.
Anything I missed? I thought the Stanford team I saw play against ND was the worst version of this team, but the one that played against Utah last night just beat that low standard. Embarrassing.
RE: Utah game thread - BostonCard - 10-06-2018
(10-06-2018, 11:26 PM)SF_Cardinal_Fan Wrote: I just returned home from Stanford's away game against Utah at Stanford Stadium.
Yup, as I noted at the time, Utah fans were taunting “we can’t hear you” at us, and they weren’t wrong. By the fourth quarter, the silence was deafening, punctured only by the Utah cheers and their band.
BC
RE: Utah game thread - Austroturf - 10-06-2018
(10-06-2018, 11:36 PM)d4cohn Wrote: I want to first preface my comments by saying I love this program, and what it stands for, and the men of character that we have coaching the team and on the field (which is ultimately most important). Even though the past couple of weeks have been tough, I think it is important to remember this perspective amid our collective disappointment.I like your optimism and positive analysis, but I feel this team is coming unglued. If we cannot beat a middling Utah team at home, we are not Pac-12 contenders. At this point, we will be lucky to have a positive conference record.
Tonight was a tougher loss than Notre Dame for me, because unlike Notre Dame, where I felt the Irish were clearly the better and more talented team, I felt that we were the more talented (but obviously not better) team tonight. However, we made more avoidable mistakes than I can recall us making in a long time that gifted points to Utah, or took points off the board on our end:
1) The running into the punter penalty, ultimately leading to Utah's 1st TD, instead of us getting the ball in a scoreless game (albeit likely backed up)
2) The most costly was the pick six, which turned a likely 7-7 game (at worst 7-3 game), into a 14-0 game
3) 2nd INT, which took a likely 3 points off the board
4) The very poor defensive scheme with :08 left (even though I know we nearly got burned for a TD on the previous play), to leave the intermediate pass wide open (thanks to dropping three guys at the goaline), with the space completely vacated, leading to the necessary yardage to tack on 3 points before half (another big back-breaker)
5) Missed sack, and blown coverage by No.5, compounded by another poor angle, leading to TD that made it 37-21 and once and for all iced the game
Very thankfully, we have a bye after this, because I think we are clearly in need of a reset (not necessarily so much in scheme, though there are some scheme changes that might be made on defense). Other solace we can take is that this is only the first Pac-12 loss, and the loss was to a team from the South, rather than the North.
However, any margin of error is completely gone, and we are staring at a very tough road game in a week and a half against a desperate (but I think pretty solid) ASU team. I hope we are ready for the challenge.
(10-06-2018, 11:43 PM)BostonCard Wrote:How embarrassing. This has to be one of the absolute low points in the Shaw era. Getting blown out at home by an average Utah team! At least when UW blew us out in 2016, they did so in their own stadium and went on to the CFP that year.(10-06-2018, 11:26 PM)SF_Cardinal_Fan Wrote: I just returned home from Stanford's away game against Utah at Stanford Stadium.
Yup, as I noted at the time, Utah fans were taunting “we can’t hear you” at us, and they weren’t wrong. By the fourth quarter, the silence was deafening, punctured only by the Utah cheers and their band.
BC
I need a new hobby.
RE: Utah game thread - chrisk - 10-07-2018
Stanford can play at Levi's in the post season but not in the CFC.
RE: Utah game thread - d4cohn - 10-07-2018
(10-06-2018, 11:47 PM)Austroturf Wrote:(10-06-2018, 11:36 PM)d4cohn Wrote: I want to first preface my comments by saying I love this program, and what it stands for, and the men of character that we have coaching the team and on the field (which is ultimately most important). Even though the past couple of weeks have been tough, I think it is important to remember this perspective amid our collective disappointment.I like your optimism and positive analysis, but I feel this team is coming unglued. If we cannot beat a middling Utah team at home, we are not Pac-12 contenders. At this point, we will be lucky to have a positive conference record.
Tonight was a tougher loss than Notre Dame for me, because unlike Notre Dame, where I felt the Irish were clearly the better and more talented team, I felt that we were the more talented (but obviously not better) team tonight. However, we made more avoidable mistakes than I can recall us making in a long time that gifted points to Utah, or took points off the board on our end:
1) The running into the punter penalty, ultimately leading to Utah's 1st TD, instead of us getting the ball in a scoreless game (albeit likely backed up)
2) The most costly was the pick six, which turned a likely 7-7 game (at worst 7-3 game), into a 14-0 game
3) 2nd INT, which took a likely 3 points off the board
4) The very poor defensive scheme with :08 left (even though I know we nearly got burned for a TD on the previous play), to leave the intermediate pass wide open (thanks to dropping three guys at the goaline), with the space completely vacated, leading to the necessary yardage to tack on 3 points before half (another big back-breaker)
5) Missed sack, and blown coverage by No.5, compounded by another poor angle, leading to TD that made it 37-21 and once and for all iced the game
Very thankfully, we have a bye after this, because I think we are clearly in need of a reset (not necessarily so much in scheme, though there are some scheme changes that might be made on defense). Other solace we can take is that this is only the first Pac-12 loss, and the loss was to a team from the South, rather than the North.
However, any margin of error is completely gone, and we are staring at a very tough road game in a week and a half against a desperate (but I think pretty solid) ASU team. I hope we are ready for the challenge.
I understand your point, but people felt the same way after we lost back-to-back last year to USC and SDSU last year (with our QB unable to complete 3 yard screen passes in the latter game). It took some changes, but we were able to recover and still make the Pac-12 Championship Game. However, it is also possible that this year turns into another 2014. Even 2014 though, we were able to recover that year and stun UCLA, and win 4 in a row to close a season.
Personally, I didn't think we were going to win the Pac-12 North this year, even prior to ND and Utah, because winning at Husky Stadium is a really tall order (even if they don't look all that spectacular). I am certainly not saying it is likely, but the team is still potentially set up to accomplish some of those goals (even if it is going to take a lot of work, and much better play between now and November to ensure that we get that chance at Husky Stadium).
Regarding the conference record, while we cannot take anyone on the schedule for granted, I am going to go out on a limb and say we beat Oregon State at home, and win at UCLA. That would give us at least 6 wins (so bowl eligibility), and 4 conference wins (>= .500 conference record). That may be well below the level we have become accustomed to since 2010, but I cannot realistically, as bad we looked tonight, see us not at least clearing those two bars, with the wins we already have banked.
(10-06-2018, 11:47 PM)Austroturf Wrote: How embarrassing. This has to be one of the absolute low points in the Shaw era. Getting blown out at home by an average Utah team! At least when UW blew us out in 2016, they did so in their own stadium and went on to the CFP that year.
I need a new hobby.
Eh, tonight was tough, but we also got blown out similarly against an average/slightly above average Wazzu team in 2016 at home (also in a 7:30 night game, lost 42-16). Different styles between Utah and Wazzu, but similar in terms of outcome/flow of game. We also lost homecoming in 2016 to Colorado 10-5, where we technically weren't blown out, but we also looked very inept. And despite those two performances, 2016 still ended with 10 wins, a bowl win, wins over SC, Cal and UCLA (so Kings of California), a trouncing of Oregon, and six straight wins to end the season.
RE: Utah game thread - qwerty49 - 10-07-2018
Yep, and that leaves 1 likely loss in Seattle and 3 which are tossups at this point.
We might yet finish as the 4th best team in the PAC, which could mean maybe 8-4 and Holiday Bowl.
It’s fun to watch KJ thread the needle downfield, but I fear we just don’t have the horses in either line to do any better.
(10-07-2018, 12:04 AM)d4cohn Wrote:(10-06-2018, 11:47 PM)Austroturf Wrote:(10-06-2018, 11:36 PM)d4cohn Wrote: I want to first preface my comments by saying I love this program, and what it stands for, and the men of character that we have coaching the team and on the field (which is ultimately most important). Even though the past couple of weeks have been tough, I think it is important to remember this perspective amid our collective disappointment.I like your optimism and positive analysis, but I feel this team is coming unglued. If we cannot beat a middling Utah team at home, we are not Pac-12 contenders. At this point, we will be lucky to have a positive conference record.
Tonight was a tougher loss than Notre Dame for me, because unlike Notre Dame, where I felt the Irish were clearly the better and more talented team, I felt that we were the more talented (but obviously not better) team tonight. However, we made more avoidable mistakes than I can recall us making in a long time that gifted points to Utah, or took points off the board on our end:
1) The running into the punter penalty, ultimately leading to Utah's 1st TD, instead of us getting the ball in a scoreless game (albeit likely backed up)
2) The most costly was the pick six, which turned a likely 7-7 game (at worst 7-3 game), into a 14-0 game
3) 2nd INT, which took a likely 3 points off the board
4) The very poor defensive scheme with :08 left (even though I know we nearly got burned for a TD on the previous play), to leave the intermediate pass wide open (thanks to dropping three guys at the goaline), with the space completely vacated, leading to the necessary yardage to tack on 3 points before half (another big back-breaker)
5) Missed sack, and blown coverage by No.5, compounded by another poor angle, leading to TD that made it 37-21 and once and for all iced the game
Very thankfully, we have a bye after this, because I think we are clearly in need of a reset (not necessarily so much in scheme, though there are some scheme changes that might be made on defense). Other solace we can take is that this is only the first Pac-12 loss, and the loss was to a team from the South, rather than the North.
However, any margin of error is completely gone, and we are staring at a very tough road game in a week and a half against a desperate (but I think pretty solid) ASU team. I hope we are ready for the challenge.
I understand your point, but people felt the same way after we lost back-to-back last year to USC and SDSU last year (with our QB unable to complete 3 yard screen passes in the latter game). It took some changes, but we were able to recover and still make the Pac-12 Championship Game. However, it is also possible that this year turns into another 2014. Even 2014 though, we were able to recover that year and stun UCLA, and win 4 in a row to close a season.
Personally, I didn't think we were going to win the Pac-12 North this year, even prior to ND and Utah, because winning at Husky Stadium is a really tall order (even if they don't look all that spectacular). I am certainly not saying it is likely, but the team is still potentially set up to accomplish some of those goals (even if it is going to take a lot of work, and much better play between now and November to ensure that we get that chance at Husky Stadium).
Regarding the conference record, while we cannot take anyone on the schedule for granted, I am going to go out on a limb and say we beat Oregon State at home, and win at UCLA. That would give us at least 6 wins (so bowl eligibility), and 4 conference wins (>= .500 conference record). That may be well below the level we have become accustomed to since 2010, but I cannot realistically, as bad we looked tonight, see us not at least clearing those two bars, with the wins we already have banked.
(10-06-2018, 11:47 PM)Austroturf Wrote: How embarrassing. This has to be one of the absolute low points in the Shaw era. Getting blown out at home by an average Utah team! At least when UW blew us out in 2016, they did so in their own stadium and went on to the CFP that year.
I need a new hobby.
Eh, tonight was tough, but we also got blown out similarly against an average/slightly above average Wazzu team in 2016 at home (also in a 7:30 night game). Different styles between Utah and Wazzu, but similar in terms of outcome/flow of game. We also lost homecoming in 2016 to Colorado 10-5, where we technically weren't blown out, but we also looked very inept.