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RE: Flooding, Lake Lag, California Water situation - TonyLima - 03-14-2023
(03-14-2023, 03:30 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Yup, a shelter-in-place was issued at my son's high school, due to falling branches. Caltrain has horrible delays. Lots of trees falling over. It turns out that saturated soil plus heavy winds is not good for trees.
And Tony, my fence bit the dust a week ago; I'm a bit scared to see what happened today.
BC
On the plus side, Palisades is at 648 inches of snow for the season and counting.
https://www.kron4.com/news/california/tahoe-ski-resort-records-648-inches-of-snow-this-winter/
BC
Gotcha. We’re getting our insurance claim started this afternoon. Fremont Fence has been good to us.
(03-14-2023, 01:27 PM)TonyLima Wrote:(03-14-2023, 08:35 AM)cardcrimson Wrote: Looks like No Cal has dodged a big bullet this week. The storm doesn't appear to be as advertised, and looks to be ending today, with no rain for several days. Forecasters were predicting close to 10 inches in some areas this week and looks like a third to a quarter of that. So Cal may be hit a little harder, as the storm, er, atmospheric river, appears to be drifting south.
Fortunate.
Over here in Silicon Valley we’re seeing wind gusts to at least 35 mph. Lost the other two sides of our fence. Ma nature ain’t done with us yet.
*51 mph gusts
RE: Flooding, Lake Lag, California Water situation - Mick - 03-14-2023
(03-14-2023, 01:27 PM)TonyLima Wrote:(03-14-2023, 08:35 AM)cardcrimson Wrote: Looks like No Cal has dodged a big bullet this week. The storm doesn't appear to be as advertised, and looks to be ending today, with no rain for several days. Forecasters were predicting close to 10 inches in some areas this week and looks like a third to a quarter of that. So Cal may be hit a little harder, as the storm, er, atmospheric river, appears to be drifting south.
Fortunate.
Over here in Silicon Valley we’re seeing wind gusts to at least 35 mph. Lost the other two sides of our fence. Ma nature ain’t done with us yet.
Mrs. Mick took our labrador retriever outside, saw two large branches fall in the wind, and scurried back inside.
RE: Flooding, Lake Lag, California Water situation - cardcrimson - 03-14-2023
(03-14-2023, 05:10 PM)Mick Wrote:(03-14-2023, 01:27 PM)TonyLima Wrote:(03-14-2023, 08:35 AM)cardcrimson Wrote: Looks like No Cal has dodged a big bullet this week. The storm doesn't appear to be as advertised, and looks to be ending today, with no rain for several days. Forecasters were predicting close to 10 inches in some areas this week and looks like a third to a quarter of that. So Cal may be hit a little harder, as the storm, er, atmospheric river, appears to be drifting south.
Fortunate.
Over here in Silicon Valley we’re seeing wind gusts to at least 35 mph. Lost the other two sides of our fence. Ma nature ain’t done with us yet.
Mrs. Mick took our labrador retriever outside, saw two large branches fall in the wind, and scurried back inside.
Lost a third of a live oak later today. The tree is next to the driveway and fortunately, the branch that broke was the other way. The rest of the tree seem pretty precarious, with most of what remains over the driveway. Moved the cars.
Spoke way too soon.
RE: Flooding, Lake Lag, California Water situation - winflop - 03-14-2023
Lots of downed trees on the mid-Peninsula. El Camino shut down in both directions in both San Mateo and Burlingame due to downed trees and large limbs breaking and touching/leaning on power lines.
No wind gauge here but there have been many gusts today that I think were well over 50 mph.
Hoping this all gets outta here tonight and we can have a decent rest of the week to allow recovery/repair to start quickly.
RE: Flooding, Lake Lag, California Water situation - BostonCard - 03-14-2023
Saw a picture of a tree laying across the Caltrain lines in Burlingame.
Wind looks like it is subsiding, thank goodness.
BC
RE: Flooding, Lake Lag, California Water situation - M T - 03-15-2023
Interesting video of someone trying to save their orchard from the floods. Note that it is not one, but two trucks.
https://twitter.com/agleader/status/1635690151304388608
SF Chronicle reported 279,000 PG&E customers in the Bay Area without power on Tuesday. 155,000 customers still without power Wed. morning.
(I'm not sure what the ratio of people to customers is, but I'd guess 2:1.)
(The following is lightly edited to remove opinions after BC's note below and to reflect the decision.)
Our power went out about noon. It didn't take long for cell service to fail once power failed. So we were without cell service (incl. internet) at home. We drove to an area with power to let our kids know they couldn't call or text us. No estimate Tuesday night of restoration. It was 41 outside at 8AM this morning, and 56 indoors.
Around 10AM today, PG&E told us that restoration would be by 10PM Friday. But fortunately, we got power about 2:30PM.
Ironically, today, BAAQMD voted to voting on a ban of (at this point, some) natural gas devices from sale (even as replacements). requiring people to replace failed gas devices with electric devices.
RE: Flooding, Lake Lag, California Water situation - TonyLima - 03-15-2023
(03-14-2023, 07:21 PM)winflop Wrote: Lots of downed trees on the mid-Peninsula. El Camino shut down in both directions in both San Mateo and Burlingame due to downed trees and large limbs breaking and touching/leaning on power lines.
No wind gauge here but there have been many gusts today that I think were well over 50 mph.
Hoping this all gets outta here tonight and we can have a decent rest of the week to allow recovery/repair to start quickly.
San Antonio Road in Los Altos closed, power out at DeMartini Orchard.
RE: Flooding, Lake Lag, California Water situation - BostonCard - 03-15-2023
(03-15-2023, 03:08 PM)M T Wrote: Ironically, today, BAAQMD is voting on a ban of (at this point, some) natural gas devices from sale (even as replacements). forcing people to replace with electric devices and bigger electric panels. (One person pointed out that tree pollen and grass pollen also aggravate asthma. Will BAAQMD ban trees and grass?)
I know where you were going with this, in terms of the reliability of the electrical grid. However, sadly, in our modern day, even gas stoves have become a political fraught topic, so let's leave this out of further discussion about the water situation.
Also, I have a lot of thoughts about cell towers (and, given the way you phrased it, almost certainly agree with you), but let's keep the discussion to noting that cell service has been disrupted in many parts of the Peninsula.
BC
Quick Add: I have started putting up these warnings not necessarily because anyone has crossed any sort of line, but because the content has a high risk of sparking an overtly political debate of the type we don't want to be having. I am aiming to dissuade people who might have strong opinions about gas stoves from posting a follow-up that starts a political discussion on whether the stoves ought to be banned or not that would force us to lock the thread, not to chastise a particular poster for bringing it up.
RE: Flooding, Lake Lag, California Water situation - cardcrimson - 03-15-2023
(03-15-2023, 03:08 PM)M T Wrote: It was 41 outside at 8AM this morning, and 56 indoors.
Ironically, today, BAAQMD voted to voting on a ban of (at this point, some) natural gas devices from sale (even as replacements). requiring people to replace failed gas devices with electric devices.
Clearly an older home and way pre Title 24. Glad your power is back on.
Regarding the BAAQMD and electrification, as an environmentalist (yes, I know, that's hard to believe but true) with a 30 plus year history in the HVAC industry, I'd love to comment. But alas, no.
RE: Flooding, Lake Lag, California Water situation - jonnyss - 03-15-2023
(03-15-2023, 04:32 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(03-15-2023, 03:08 PM)M T Wrote: Ironically, today, BAAQMD is voting on a ban of (at this point, some) natural gas devices from sale (even as replacements). forcing people to replace with electric devices and bigger electric panels. (One person pointed out that tree pollen and grass pollen also aggravate asthma. Will BAAQMD ban trees and grass?)
I know where you were going with this, in terms of the reliability of the electrical grid. However, sadly, in our modern day, even gas stoves have become a political fraught topic, so let's leave this out of further discussion about the water situation.
Also, I have a lot of thoughts about cell towers (and, given the way you phrased it, almost certainly agree with you), but let's keep the discussion to noting that cell service has been disrupted in many parts of the Peninsula.
BC
Quick Add: I have started putting up these warnings not necessarily because anyone has crossed any sort of line, but because the content has a high risk of sparking an overtly political debate of the type we don't want to be having. I am aiming to dissuade people who might have strong opinions about gas stoves from posting a follow-up that starts a political discussion on whether the stoves ought to be banned or not that would force us to lock the thread, not to chastise a particular poster for bringing it up.
not very important and not basketball related, but i must have missed something. what do gas stoves have to do with politics? i'm strongly liberal, pro-environment, and pro gas stoves. i'm refraining from detailing my reasons - yes - to avoid an argument; but to my knowledge both sides want to protect the environment. i thought the 2 sides were emphasizing different scientific and engineering problems (yes, the electrical grid). is balancing global warming against the capacity of the electrical grid a political question? i thought it was a very reasonable and interesting lesser of 2 evils (or weevils) debate.
RE: Flooding, Lake Lag, California Water situation - cardcrimson - 03-15-2023
(03-15-2023, 07:52 PM)jonnyss Wrote:(03-15-2023, 04:32 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(03-15-2023, 03:08 PM)M T Wrote: Ironically, today, BAAQMD is voting on a ban of (at this point, some) natural gas devices from sale (even as replacements). forcing people to replace with electric devices and bigger electric panels. (One person pointed out that tree pollen and grass pollen also aggravate asthma. Will BAAQMD ban trees and grass?)
I know where you were going with this, in terms of the reliability of the electrical grid. However, sadly, in our modern day, even gas stoves have become a political fraught topic, so let's leave this out of further discussion about the water situation.
Also, I have a lot of thoughts about cell towers (and, given the way you phrased it, almost certainly agree with you), but let's keep the discussion to noting that cell service has been disrupted in many parts of the Peninsula.
BC
Quick Add: I have started putting up these warnings not necessarily because anyone has crossed any sort of line, but because the content has a high risk of sparking an overtly political debate of the type we don't want to be having. I am aiming to dissuade people who might have strong opinions about gas stoves from posting a follow-up that starts a political discussion on whether the stoves ought to be banned or not that would force us to lock the thread, not to chastise a particular poster for bringing it up.
not very important and not basketball related, but i must have missed something. what do gas stoves have to do with politics? i'm strongly liberal, pro-environment, and pro gas stoves. i'm refraining from detailing my reasons - yes - to avoid an argument; but to my knowledge both sides want to protect the environment. i thought the 2 sides were emphasizing different scientific and engineering problems (yes, the electrical grid). is balancing global warming against the capacity of the electrical grid a political question? i thought it was a very reasonable and interesting lesser of 2 evils (or weevils) debate.
It'd be nice to have a spot where such things could be politely discussed amongst those with Stanford affiliations. I'm strongly conservative, fiscally and nationally at least, pro-environment, and pro common sense when it comes to gas stoves (and furnaces). It'd be nice to focus on what connects us rather than what sets us apart, at least occasionally. Healthy debate, honest and reasoned debate isn't bad, either. Any chance of that here? If not, any suggestions of where that may be available.
RE: Flooding, Lake Lag, California Water situation - cardcrimson - 03-21-2023
Power out. Wind howling. Here we go again. . ..
RE: Flooding, Lake Lag, California Water situation - TonyLima - 03-21-2023
(03-15-2023, 08:25 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(03-15-2023, 07:52 PM)jonnyss Wrote:(03-15-2023, 04:32 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(03-15-2023, 03:08 PM)M T Wrote: Ironically, today, BAAQMD is voting on a ban of (at this point, some) natural gas devices from sale (even as replacements). forcing people to replace with electric devices and bigger electric panels. (One person pointed out that tree pollen and grass pollen also aggravate asthma. Will BAAQMD ban trees and grass?)
I know where you were going with this, in terms of the reliability of the electrical grid. However, sadly, in our modern day, even gas stoves have become a political fraught topic, so let's leave this out of further discussion about the water situation.
Also, I have a lot of thoughts about cell towers (and, given the way you phrased it, almost certainly agree with you), but let's keep the discussion to noting that cell service has been disrupted in many parts of the Peninsula.
BC
Quick Add: I have started putting up these warnings not necessarily because anyone has crossed any sort of line, but because the content has a high risk of sparking an overtly political debate of the type we don't want to be having. I am aiming to dissuade people who might have strong opinions about gas stoves from posting a follow-up that starts a political discussion on whether the stoves ought to be banned or not that would force us to lock the thread, not to chastise a particular poster for bringing it up.
not very important and not basketball related, but i must have missed something. what do gas stoves have to do with politics? i'm strongly liberal, pro-environment, and pro gas stoves. i'm refraining from detailing my reasons - yes - to avoid an argument; but to my knowledge both sides want to protect the environment. i thought the 2 sides were emphasizing different scientific and engineering problems (yes, the electrical grid). is balancing global warming against the capacity of the electrical grid a political question? i thought it was a very reasonable and interesting lesser of 2 evils (or weevils) debate.
It'd be nice to have a spot where such things could be politely discussed amongst those with Stanford affiliations. I'm strongly conservative, fiscally and nationally at least, pro-environment, and pro common sense when it comes to gas stoves (and furnaces). It'd be nice to focus on what connects us rather than what sets us apart, at least occasionally. Healthy debate, honest and reasoned debate isn't bad, either. Any chance of that here? If not, any suggestions of where that may be available.
You can discuss it in the comments here. I will limit the content to Stanford alums only. Please use your Stanford alumni email address.
RE: Flooding, Lake Lag, California Water situation - BostonCard - 03-21-2023
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Stay safe.
BC
RE: Palo Alto Flooding - Mick - 03-29-2023
(03-13-2023, 03:33 PM)Mick Wrote: RESSW.pdf (ca.gov)
Reservoir capacity updated for 3/29 (using threepointer's scale), almost all up a healthy margin from two weeks ago. Listed with % of Average to date:
Large (1 MM+ AF):
Oroville, 83% / 125%
Shasta, 71% / 94%
Pine Flat, 77% / 154%
San Luis, 90% / 107%.
New Melones, 54% / 88%
Trinity, 35% / 49%
Don Pedro, 88% / 118%
New Exchequer/Lake McClure, 82% / 158%
Berryessa, 78% / 94%
Almanor, 65% / 98%
Medium (300k - 999k AF, where available)
Folsom, 64% / 114%
New Bullards, 83% / 113%
Diamond Valley, 60% / 81%
Indian Valley, 53% / 90%
Friant, 79% / 118%
Isabella, 58% / 185%
Lake San Antonio, 54% / 96%
Lake Tahoe/Tahoe City, 37% / 94%
Nacimiento, 87% / 149%
Camanche, 80% / 129%
Warm Springs, 78% / 123%
New Hogan, 71% / 139%
Castaic, 73% / 88%
Clear Lake/Cache Creek, 107% / 131%
SF Bay Reservoirs (and of local interest, where available)
Hetch Hetchy, 79% / 134%
Calaveras, 97% / 180%
Del Valle, 51% / 110%
U San Leandro, 87% /
San Pablo, 73% /
Chabot, 89% /
Briones, 83% /
Lexington Reservoir, 99% / 149%
Clifton Court Forebay, 59%.
San Antonio Reservoir, 109% / 124%
RE: Palo Alto Flooding - TonyLima - 03-29-2023
(03-29-2023, 09:54 AM)Mick Wrote:(03-13-2023, 03:33 PM)Mick Wrote: RESSW.pdf (ca.gov)
Reservoir capacity updated for 3/29 (using threepointer's scale), almost all up a healthy margin from two weeks ago. Listed with % of Average to date:
Large (1 MM+ AF):
Oroville, 83% / 125%
Shasta, 71% / 94%
Pine Flat, 77% / 154%
San Luis, 90% / 107%.
New Melones, 54% / 88%
Trinity, 35% / 49%
Don Pedro, 88% / 118%
New Exchequer/Lake McClure, 82% / 158%
Berryessa, 78% / 94%
Almanor, 65% / 98%
Medium (300k - 999k AF, where available)
Folsom, 64% / 114%
New Bullards, 83% / 113%
Diamond Valley, 60% / 81%
Indian Valley, 53% / 90%
Friant, 79% / 118%
Isabella, 58% / 185%
Lake San Antonio, 54% / 96%
Lake Tahoe/Tahoe City, 37% / 94%
Nacimiento, 87% / 149%
Camanche, 80% / 129%
Warm Springs, 78% / 123%
New Hogan, 71% / 139%
Castaic, 73% / 88%
Clear Lake/Cache Creek, 107% / 131%
SF Bay Reservoirs (and of local interest, where available)
Hetch Hetchy, 79% / 134%
Calaveras, 97% / 180%
Del Valle, 51% / 110%
U San Leandro, 87% /
San Pablo, 73% /
Chabot, 89% /
Briones, 83% /
Lexington Reservoir, 99% / 149%
Clifton Court Forebay, 59%.
San Antonio Reservoir, 109% / 124%
Too bad Sites isn’t on this list.
RE: Flooding, Lake Lag, California Water situation - cardcrimson - 03-29-2023
Reservoirs pretty full, deepest snow pack ever recorded by the end of the week. Going to be an interesting spring. . . .
https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/03/27/looming-atmospheric-river-may-put-california-at-highest-snowpack-level-ever-whats-your-forecast/?utm_email=4543C51404E5C5564425121E21&g2i_eui=noaOCq9bck0MJKNRBjHyYC8JHImk4vEnCkA81%2bjUXhQ%3d&g2i_source=newsletter&lctg=4543C51404E5C5564425121E21&active=yesD&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2fwww.mercurynews.com%2f2023%2f03%2f27%2flooming-atmospheric-river-may-put-california-at-highest-snowpack-level-ever-whats-your-forecast%2f&utm_campaign=bang-mult-nl-wednesday-morning-report-nl&utm_content=manual
RE: Flooding, Lake Lag, California Water situation - Leftcoast - 03-29-2023
(03-29-2023, 10:49 AM)cardcrimson Wrote: Reservoirs pretty full, deepest snow pack ever recorded by the end of the week. Going to be an interesting spring. . . .
https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/03/27/looming-atmospheric-river-may-put-california-at-highest-snowpack-level-ever-whats-your-forecast/?utm_email=4543C51404E5C5564425121E21&g2i_eui=noaOCq9bck0MJKNRBjHyYC8JHImk4vEnCkA81%2bjUXhQ%3d&g2i_source=newsletter&lctg=4543C51404E5C5564425121E21&active=yesD&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2fwww.mercurynews.com%2f2023%2f03%2f27%2flooming-atmospheric-river-may-put-california-at-highest-snowpack-level-ever-whats-your-forecast%2f&utm_campaign=bang-mult-nl-wednesday-morning-report-nl&utm_content=manual
I was thinking the same thing. Many of those lower, flood control reservoirs should be dumping water as quick as they possibly can. I see Friant/Millerton which I know well (family owned a marina there) is at 118%. They will need a lot more snow run-off capacity than that allows soon. When the lake overtops Friant dam there's flooding all along the San Joaquin river course. I last saw that happen in 1997 when water release through the spillway was overwhelmed and water overtopped across the dam.
Usually lake water level is at it's lowest in late April/early May as the water control managers received info on the snowpack and could estimate the capacity needed. I'm surprised to see the lake at 18% above normal capacity in late March of a year with record snowpack. I hope they are dumping water.
I don't expect this to be as bad as 1997 which was an epic season that saw a heavy snowfall followed by a large southern "pineapple express" that both dumped a lot of water and quickly melted the snowpack leading to brobdingnagian and unexpected river flows. Yosemite was heavily hit leading to pictures I'm sure many of us remember. The water management folks should have much more time to prepare for this.
RE: Flooding, Lake Lag, California Water situation - Mick - 03-29-2023
Apart from reservoirs, is there a way to measure the volume of California's aquifers? I imagine some or most of the water dumped by the smaller reservoirs would contribute to restoring depleted underground water resources, wouldn't it?
RE: Flooding, Lake Lag, California Water situation - Leftcoast - 03-29-2023
The California Water Watch website has a section on aquifer/wells/groundwater. It's not updated as frequently as the other areas (snowpack, perciptiation, reservoirs, etc) so I don't watch it as closely. However, the aquifer levels have been dropping for years and are far less responsive to good/bad years.
https://cww.water.ca.gov/