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Re: OT: Giants outfield - Mick - 02-01-2018

(02-01-2018, 11:46 AM)Boston Card link Wrote:[quote author=Mick link=topic=18541.msg222833#msg222833 date=1517507457]
He had 14 starts and threw 106 1/3 innings his last year at Stanford, about twice as much as the next pitcher, and averaging 7 2/3 innings per start.  I wonder if that had anything to do with his persistent shoulder inflammation?

Compared to major league pitchers who frequently pitch 150 innings, an can often break 200 innings, I would think that 106 innings with a week between starts wouldn't be that much of a big deal.  But then again, there are age, strength, and maturity issues.

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I think those last three are concerns, along with all the throwing that gets done on the side.  My roommate was a strong pitcher at SCU when I was there, piled up a good pre-season record (three outings, seven innings, nine strikeouts, five runners on base -- it  was my roommate).  Then he was told by a coach to play "dead arm" in between starts, in which he and another pitcher had to throw until one of them couldn't go on.  Presto, ended that pitcher's career.

The arms of young pitchers are particularly fragile.  Even workhorse Nolan Ryan pitched more than 152 innings just once in the first seven years of his professional career --  1966, in which he pitched 202 innings -- and promptly pitched just 11 innings the next year.  Even Lincecum, the so-called freak, had just four really good years and was basically washed up by age 28 when he led the league in losses.  He pitched pretty close to what Appel pitched in his three years at Washington.

Re: OT: Giants outfield - lex24 - 02-01-2018

Also Coors to AT&T.  Curious how that would go. Now Arenado. Don5 think it would matter

(02-01-2018, 09:41 AM)BobK link Wrote:True Phogge but he’d be 32 in July and while I don’t think that as old some here do.


Re: OT: Giants outfield - lex24 - 02-01-2018

Also Coors to AT&T.  Curious how that would go. Now Arenado. Don5 think it would matter

(02-01-2018, 09:41 AM)BobK link Wrote:True Phogge but he’d be 32 in July and while I don’t think that as old some here do.


Re: OT: Giants outfield - lex24 - 02-01-2018

(02-01-2018, 10:39 PM)lex24 link Wrote:Also Coors to AT&T.  Curious how that would go. Career splits:  Coors .346. Road. 264 . Now Arenado. Dont think it would matter

[quote author=BobK link=topic=18541.msg222821#msg222821 date=1517503268]
True Phogge but he’d be 32 in July and while I don’t think that as old some here do.
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Re: OT: Giants outfield - lex24 - 02-01-2018

(02-01-2018, 10:39 PM)lex24 link Wrote:Also Coors to AT&T.  Curious how that would go. Career splits:  Coors .346. Road. 264 . Now Arenado. Dont think it would matter

[quote author=BobK link=topic=18541.msg222821#msg222821 date=1517503268]
True Phogge but he’d be 32 in July and while I don’t think that as old some here do.
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Re: OT: Giants outfield - Mick - 02-02-2018

Giants signed IF Andres Blanco (no relation to Gregor).  Career .256 hitter, three years ago, had career year and hit .292 for Philadelphia.  Very good fielder, can play any IF or OF role, range has fallen.  Last guy off the bench, I'm guessing.

Re: OT: Giants outfield - Mick - 02-02-2018

Giants signed IF Andres Blanco (no relation to Gregor).  Career .256 hitter, three years ago, had career year and hit .292 for Philadelphia.  Very good fielder, can play any IF or OF role, range has fallen.  Last guy off the bench, I'm guessing.

Re: OT: Giants outfield - lex24 - 02-02-2018

Competition for Tomlinson.

(02-02-2018, 06:57 PM)Mick link Wrote:Giants signed IF Andres Blanco (no relation to Gregor).  Career .256 hitter, three years ago, had career year and hit .292 for Philadelphia.  Very good fielder, can play any IF or OF role, range has fallen.  Last guy off the bench, I'm guessing.


Re: OT: Giants outfield - lex24 - 02-02-2018

Competition for Tomlinson.

(02-02-2018, 06:57 PM)Mick link Wrote:Giants signed IF Andres Blanco (no relation to Gregor).  Career .256 hitter, three years ago, had career year and hit .292 for Philadelphia.  Very good fielder, can play any IF or OF role, range has fallen.  Last guy off the bench, I'm guessing.


Re: OT: Giants outfield - Mick - 02-03-2018

(02-02-2018, 10:12 PM)lex24 link Wrote:Competition for Tomlinson.

[quote author=Mick link=topic=18541.msg222905#msg222905 date=1517623053]
Giants signed IF Andres Blanco (no relation to Gregor).  Career .256 hitter, three years ago, had career year and hit .292 for Philadelphia.  Very good fielder, can play any IF or OF role, range has fallen.  Last guy off the bench, I'm guessing.
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Exactly right.

I saw a projection yesterday that had the Nationals, Dodgers and Cubs winning their respective divisions next year (naturally) and the next three projected seasons were Diamondbacks (87 wins), Cardinals (85 wins) and Giants (84 wins), though you can't forget the Brewers or Rockies.  Four of the last five years, an 87 or 88 win team made the playoffs.  I assume that's what the Giants are shooting for. 

The Giants current issue is that they have no left handed relief.  Will Smith, coming back from Tommy John surgery, is the sole proven left handed reliever, unless you count Osich (6.23 ERA) and Okert (5.67 ERA), which I don't.  Osich had a great year in 2015, Okert had a great one in 2016.  Right now, Brett Bochy's career ERA is better than both of theirs, and he's doing financial planning.  They could go after former Dodger Tony Watson, who had a terrific year last year in a minor role, and was an all star in 2014 for the Pirates.

Giant minor league pitching options include:

Roberto Gomez  (40-man), 1.388 WHIP in AAA, but 1.875 WHIP in SF...
Reyes Moronta (40-man), struck out the world in a 2.95 AAA season.  Gave up two runs in seven innings, striking out 11 for SF last year.  Just turned 25.  Could be...
Julian Fernandez, throws 102, but hasn't progressed past A ball in four years. Got some control just last year.
Pierce Johnson, who spent last year striking out Triple-A, former Cub, hugely on the rise.
Joan Gregorio (6'7", 180 pounds), 3.04 ERA in hit-happy AAA, not bad
Derek Law, who should be good again, dammit.

The Giants are still about $2.5 million under the cap, which they have maintained they will remain.  Don't forget, next year's free agent bounty is significant (Bryce Harper, Manny Machado, Clayton Kershaw, Josh Donaldson, Charlie Blackmon, Drew Pomeranz, Elvis Andrus, Brian Dozier).

Re: OT: Giants outfield - Mick - 02-03-2018

(02-02-2018, 10:12 PM)lex24 link Wrote:Competition for Tomlinson.

[quote author=Mick link=topic=18541.msg222905#msg222905 date=1517623053]
Giants signed IF Andres Blanco (no relation to Gregor).  Career .256 hitter, three years ago, had career year and hit .292 for Philadelphia.  Very good fielder, can play any IF or OF role, range has fallen.  Last guy off the bench, I'm guessing.
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Exactly right.

I saw a projection yesterday that had the Nationals, Dodgers and Cubs winning their respective divisions next year (naturally) and the next three projected seasons were Diamondbacks (87 wins), Cardinals (85 wins) and Giants (84 wins), though you can't forget the Brewers or Rockies.  Four of the last five years, an 87 or 88 win team made the playoffs.  I assume that's what the Giants are shooting for. 

The Giants current issue is that they have no left handed relief.  Will Smith, coming back from Tommy John surgery, is the sole proven left handed reliever, unless you count Osich (6.23 ERA) and Okert (5.67 ERA), which I don't.  Osich had a great year in 2015, Okert had a great one in 2016.  Right now, Brett Bochy's career ERA is better than both of theirs, and he's doing financial planning.  They could go after former Dodger Tony Watson, who had a terrific year last year in a minor role, and was an all star in 2014 for the Pirates.

Giant minor league pitching options include:

Roberto Gomez  (40-man), 1.388 WHIP in AAA, but 1.875 WHIP in SF...
Reyes Moronta (40-man), struck out the world in a 2.95 AAA season.  Gave up two runs in seven innings, striking out 11 for SF last year.  Just turned 25.  Could be...
Julian Fernandez, throws 102, but hasn't progressed past A ball in four years. Got some control just last year.
Pierce Johnson, who spent last year striking out Triple-A, former Cub, hugely on the rise.
Joan Gregorio (6'7", 180 pounds), 3.04 ERA in hit-happy AAA, not bad
Derek Law, who should be good again, dammit.

The Giants are still about $2.5 million under the cap, which they have maintained they will remain.  Don't forget, next year's free agent bounty is significant (Bryce Harper, Manny Machado, Clayton Kershaw, Josh Donaldson, Charlie Blackmon, Drew Pomeranz, Elvis Andrus, Brian Dozier).

Re: OT: Giants outfield - Phogge - 02-03-2018

$100 on the Brewers to win it all is my play this year.

Re: OT: Giants outfield - Phogge - 02-03-2018

$100 on the Brewers to win it all is my play this year.