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RE: SF Giants 2025 - BobK - 03-23-2025

Phogge says 92 wins

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RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 03-23-2025

After 17 games, the Giants had 11 errors. I was convinced they had a fielding renaissance. Now they have 28 errors in 29 games. Matt Chapman leads MLB in errors with five. The Giants have eight players with two or more errors in the top 45 players with the most errors...no other team has more than 21 total errors that I can find. Kansas City has just 11, and they've played the same number of games as the Giants.

Hjelle was optioned to AAA, which is good news.
Sean Hjelle optioned

I'll still with the 90 wins, now it's blind hope.

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RE: SF Giants 2025 - Sam Leopold - 03-23-2025

Giants will be playing my Mariners pretty early in the season, April 4-6.  The highlight of the Mariners' offseason might have been the signing of Miles Mastrobuoni:

Mariners snatch UTIL Miles Mastrobuoni from Chicago Cubs, DFA C Nick Raposo - Lookout Landing

By comparison, the Giants' offseason looks like it was positively fantastic.

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RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 03-24-2025

Giants lost in their exhibition with the River Cats, 4-3. They went out to a 3-0 lead while the 2nd stringers were in and then replaced by third stringers. Ramos went 2/2 in leadoff with a Walk, Flores 0/2 with a walk, Jung Hoo Lee 1/2 with a walk, Matos 0/3, Wade 1/3, Fitz 0/2 with a walk, Huff 1/3, Schmitt 0/2.

Bailey, Adames, Chapman, Yaz had the day off. As did Encarnacion, obviously, who is having surgery on his hand.

The Sac'to team were all teh recent cuts. Meckler, 0/5 with 3 K's. Luciano, 0/2, 3 walks. Bishop, 2/4. Lamb, 0/5. Porter, 2/3 (catcher). Roupp gave up one hit and three walks in 5 innings, eight strikeouts. Birdsong gave up three earned runs in 1/3rd of an inning. Teng and Garza gave up two hits in 3 2/3 innings. Giants went 0 for 13 with runners in scoring position.

Giants play the Tigers tonight and tomorrow night at Oracle. Technically, they are exhibition games, spring training is over and the Giants won the MLB championship of the spring which is utterly, totally and completely meaningless.

Home opener is a week from Friday, April 4.

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RE: SF Giants 2025 - Giants - 03-24-2025

(03-24-2025, 08:30 AM)Mick Wrote:  Giants lost in their exhibition with the River Cats, 4-3. They went out to a 3-0 lead while the 2nd stringers were in and then replaced by third stringers. Ramos went 2/2 in leadoff with a Walk, Flores 0/2 with a walk, Jung Hoo Lee 1/2 with a walk, Matos 0/3, Wade 1/3, Fitz 0/2 with a walk, Huff 1/3, Schmitt 0/2.

Bailey, Adames, Chapman, Yaz had the day off. As did Encarnacion, obviously, who is having surgery on his hand.

The Sac'to team were all teh recent cuts. Meckler, 0/5 with 3 K's. Luciano, 0/2, 3 walks. Bishop, 2/4. Lamb, 0/5. Porter, 2/3 (catcher). Roupp gave up one hit and three walks in 5 innings, eight strikeouts. Birdsong gave up three earned runs in 1/3rd of an inning. Teng and Garza gave up two hits in 3 2/3 innings. Giants went 0 for 13 with runners in scoring position.

Giants play the Tigers tonight and tomorrow night at Oracle. Technically, they are exhibition games, spring training is over and the Giants won the MLB championship of the spring which is utterly, totally and completely meaningless.

Home opener is a week from Friday, April 4.

Add..

Loupe pitched very well, Birdsong didn’t (he may have had a problem with his hand).  Insert Loupp into the rotation and Birdsong long relief.

Huff is on the 26 man and Stassi waived his right to leave the organization.  He will start the year in Sacramento.  Given the Giants have had only one season in the SF era (2016) where they played fewer than three catchers, the odds of Stassi appearing in game this year are pretty good.

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RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 03-25-2025

Maybe San Francisco will have the best bullpen in MLB thanks to arm angle variability...

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RE: SF Giants 2025 - qwerty49 - 03-25-2025

(03-25-2025, 06:25 AM)Mick Wrote:  Maybe San Francisco will have the best bullpen in MLB thanks to arm angle variability...

Wow Mick you’ve outdone yourself with that chart! Where is the SF data point?

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RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 03-25-2025

(03-25-2025, 12:28 PM)qwerty49 Wrote:  

(03-25-2025, 06:25 AM)Mick Wrote:  Maybe San Francisco will have the best bullpen in MLB thanks to arm angle variability...

Wow Mick you’ve outdone yourself with that chart! Where is the SF data point?

The farthest to the right, midway up the chart. Basically, the SF bullpen has the most extreme variation in arm angles (and release points) of any MLB bullpen.

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RE: SF Giants 2025 - qwerty49 - 03-25-2025

(03-25-2025, 12:51 PM)Mick Wrote:  

(03-25-2025, 12:28 PM)qwerty49 Wrote:  

(03-25-2025, 06:25 AM)Mick Wrote:  Maybe San Francisco will have the best bullpen in MLB thanks to arm angle variability...

Wow Mick you’ve outdone yourself with that chart! Where is the SF data point?

The farthest to the right, midway up the chart. Basically, the SF bullpen has the most extreme variation in arm angles (and release points) of any MLB bullpen.

Ahh, yes, that's what I get for trying to read the Cardboard on my phone.  IIRC we have at least one total sidearmer (Rogers?) which probably pops the bell curve right there.

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RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 03-25-2025

We do in Rogers, and others who release more conventionally, but range from over the top to lower-than-three quarters. Even without Rogers, there's a broad range: Statcast Arm Angle Leaderboard | baseballsavant.com

As for spring training results not having any bearing in reality...I'd have to agree. In the last 20 years, SFG didn't "win" the spring training standings until this year, but:

- They did finish second in both 2010 and 2011, both excellent years (until Posey got hurt). 
- The year they won 107 games, they finished 12th in the Cactus League. 
- Last year, they finished third in the Cactus League, and the year before they finished ninth of 15 teams in the Cactus League...but their season records for those years were one game apart.
- In 2016, they finished 13th of 15 in spring training, then went to the playoffs (losing to the Cubs). The very next year, they finished 3rd in spring training, but went 64-98.

So the spring record just doesn't matter. And I know it's a different sport, but this trivia question has always tickled me:

Only twice in the Super Bowl era have teams gone winless for a full season that weren't in their first year, the 2008 Detroit Lions and the 2017 Cleveland Browns. What else do they have in common?

Answer: They both went undefeated in their preseason.

Spring training success just doesn't matter.

I still think they'll win 90 games...

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RE: SF Giants 2025 - gocard14 - 03-25-2025

(03-25-2025, 02:12 PM)Mick Wrote:  We do in Rogers, and others who release more conventionally, but range from over the top to lower-than-three quarters. Even without Rogers, there's a broad range: Statcast Arm Angle Leaderboard | baseballsavant.com

As for spring training results not having any bearing in reality...I'd have to agree. In the last 20 years, SFG didn't "win" the spring training standings until this year, but:

- They did finish second in both 2010 and 2011, both excellent years (until Posey got hurt). 
- The year they won 107 games, they finished 12th in the Cactus League. 
- Last year, they finished third in the Cactus League, and the year before they finished ninth of 15 teams in the Cactus League...but their season records for those years were one game apart.
- In 2016, they finished 13th of 15 in spring training, then went to the playoffs (losing to the Cubs). The very next year, they finished 3rd in spring training, but went 64-98.

So the spring record just doesn't matter. And I know it's a different sport, but this trivia question has always tickled me:

Only twice in the Super Bowl era have teams gone winless for a full season that weren't in their first year, the 2008 Detroit Lions and the 2017 Cleveland Browns. What else do they have in common?

Answer: They both went undefeated in their preseason.

Spring training success just doesn't matter.

I still think they'll win 90 games...

Can't even compare to football.  

In football, pre-season success may even be inversely correlated with regular season success. Teams with established QBs, starters, etc play them very little during the pre-season. Teams with a lot of uncertainty play starting quality players more to sort out their roster/lineups.

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RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 03-25-2025

Giants won their last exhibition game. Final meaningless pre-season record was 21-6-4. Giants scored 57 more runs than their opponents, next best was the Royals at +30.


Final meaningless preseason offensive statistics for the Giants:

#2 slugging avg. (.480)
#3 HRs / 47 and OPS (.839)
#5 BA / .278 and OBP (.359)
#7 runs scored (174), hits (292), RBI (166), 
#8 doubles / 61
#13 triples / 5 and walks (120)
#15 stolen bases (24)

#26 fewest strikeouts with 296

Final meaningless preseason pitching statistics for the Giants:

#1 WHIP (1.16, next best was Mets at 1.27. This is a good pitching staff, folks)
#1 fewest walks (71, next best was Cubs at 81 in six fewer games)
#2 most strikeouts (294)
#3 ERA (3.58)

Final meaningless preseason fielding statistics: 28 errors in 31 games. Not good.

Season opens in Cincinnati, 4 p.m. Eastern, Logan Webb vs. H. Greene.

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RE: SF Giants 2025 - BobK - 03-26-2025

I like winning. It becomes a habit and builds confidence. I hope

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RE: SF Giants 2025 - Giants - 03-26-2025

26 man

Verlander
Webb
Ray
Roupp
Hicks
Walker
Doval
Trivino
Birdsong
Rogers
Rodriguez
Bivens
Miller
Huff
Bailey
Wade
Flores
Fitzgerald
Adames
Chapman
Koss
Schmitt
Matos
Yaz
Lee
Ramos

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RE: SF Giants 2025 - old spanish trail - 03-26-2025

I would choose all of these guys. When Encarnacion returns, I would drop Koss or Schmitt.

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RE: SF Giants 2025 - Mick - 03-26-2025

(03-26-2025, 02:23 PM)old spanish trail Wrote:  I would choose all of these guys.  When Encarnacion returns, I would drop Koss or Schmitt.

Koss for me. Had a very hard time hitting AAA pitching.

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RE: SF Giants 2025 - skip75 - 03-27-2025

(03-23-2025, 11:35 AM)Giants Wrote:  The time has come for the annual Giants’ win predictions.

To date:

Mick 90
Giants 83

Feel free to chime in with your number.  I’ll post a summary on Thursday.

I hope I lose on this one to Phogge & Old Spanish Trail.  I have optimism, but it is tempered rather than unbridled - 86 wins.
Go get #1 today!

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RE: SF Giants 2025 - Giants - 03-27-2025

Here are the predictions for this season…

old spanish trail - 92
Phogge - 92
Mick - 90
cardcrimson - 88
BobK - 87
skip75 - 86
Giants - 83
Leftcoast - 82
triangle2 - 82
lex24 - 80

Overall, I think these numbers can be summarized in three words - an optimistic bunch!

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RE: SF Giants 2025 - Leftcoast - 03-27-2025

Count me in as 82 ...

I like the off-season moves and would be optimistic if we could expect the starting line-up to stay on the field but the NL West is TOUGH and the Giants' top core talent is thin.  We're one or two injuries away from having a roster with talent that looks an awful lot like last year's team with its 80-82 record. 

As every longtime Giant fan knows those injuries will happen.  Sigh ....

(03-27-2025, 11:36 AM)Giants Wrote:  Here are the predictions for this season…

old spanish trail - 92
Phogge - 92
Mick - 90
cardcrimson - 88
BobK - 87
skip75 - 86
Giants - 83
lex24 - 80

Overall, I think these numbers can be summarized in three words - an optimistic bunch!

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RE: SF Giants 2025 - triangle2 - 03-27-2025

(03-27-2025, 11:40 AM)Leftcoast Wrote:  Count me in as 82 ...

I like the off-season moves and would be optimistic if we could expect the starting line-up to stay on the field but the NL West is TOUGH and the Giants' top core talent is thin.  We're one or two injuries away from having a roster with talent that looks an awful lot like last year's team with its 80-82 record. 

As every longtime Giant fan knows those injuries will happen.  Sigh ....

(03-27-2025, 11:36 AM)Giants Wrote:  Here are the predictions for this season…

old spanish trail - 92
Phogge - 92
Mick - 90
cardcrimson - 88
BobK - 87
skip75 - 86
Giants - 83
lex24 - 80

Overall, I think these numbers can be summarized in three words - an optimistic bunch!

82 for me

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