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Toby is trending - needle - 10-25-2015

Toby is trending on Twitter, but for the wrong reason.

https://twitter.com/LateRoundQB/status/658305296306163712

Re: Toby is trending - stupac2 - 10-25-2015

It's really impossible to characterize Toby's NFL career as anything besides wildly disappointing.

Re: Toby is trending - needle - 10-25-2015

Well, I'm going to try...

Yes, this year has been horrible for Toby. But, when you look at his career ypc number, 4.3, it's not awful. Not counting today's uh, rather low output, Toby has gained 1,667 yards rushing.

http://www.nfl.com/player/tobygerhart/497176/careerstats

Toby was drafted in the 2nd round in 2010. The running back taken ahead of him in the second round, Dexter McCluster, has a career 4.3 ypc and has gained 949 yards rushing. But McCluster I think is kind of a third-down specialist? Not sure, but he's caught 207 balls compared to Toby's 100 receptions. Toby has the edge in TDs, 10-8.

http://www.nfl.com/player/dextermccluster/497190/careerstats








Re: Toby is trending - winflop - 10-25-2015

(10-25-2015, 09:15 AM)stupac2 link Wrote:It's really impossible to characterize Toby's NFL career as anything besides wildly disappointing.

I would call it underwhelming but not wildly disappointing by any stretch.  Keep in mind he was stuck as Adrian Peterson's backup for his first four years, so you wouldn't have expected him to see much action except when Peterson was hurt/suspended.  He did pretty well in those situations, including I believe at least two 100-yard games.  And he leveraged that into a pretty juicy contract with the Jags that to date hasn't panned out.

However, of the 13 other RBs taken in that draft, four have more yardage, only two (Ryan Matthews & James Starks) have a more substantial role this year, and only 4 are even still in the league:

#9  C.J. Spiller, Clemson - 3,362 yds, 4.9 ypc. 5 yrs with Bills, now with Saints in an infrequently-used role (12 carries in 5 games in 2015)
#12 Ryan Matthews, SDSU - 4,306 yds, 4.4 ypc. 5 yrs with Chargers, now with Eagles 2nd string (50 carries in 6 games in 2015)
#30 Jahvid Best, Low APR U - 945 yds, 3.7 ypc. 2 yrs with Lions, retired due to concussions
#58 Ben Tate, Auburn - 2,363 yds, 4.4 ypc. 3 yrs with Texas, split time with Browns & Vikings last year, no longer in NFL
#59 Montario Hardesty, Tennessee - 537 yds, 3.5 ypc.  2 yrs with Browns, no longer in NFL
#112 Joe McKnight, U$C - 505 yds, 4.5 ypc. 3 yrs with Jets, 1 yr with Chiefs, no longer in NFL
#139 John Conner, Kentucky - 108 yds, 4.0 ypc. 2.5 yrs with Jets, 0.5 with Bengals, 1 with Giants, 1 with Jets, no longer in NFL
#173 Anthony Dixon, Mississippi St - 909 yds, 3.4 ypc. 4 yrs with 49ers, 2 with Bills. Infrequently used (15 carries in 6 games in 2015)
#180 Deji Karim, Southern Illiinois - 341 yds, 3.1 ypc. 2 yrs with Jags, 1 with Colts, 1 with Texans, no longer in NFL
#188 Johnathan Dwyer, Georgia Tech - 1,022 yds, 4.2 ypc. 4 yrs with Steelers, 1 with Cardinals, no longer in NFL
#193 James Starks, Buffalo - 2,046, 4.4 ypc. 6 yrs with Packers, backup to Lacy (63 carries in 6 games in 2015)
#200 Charles Scott, LSU - never played in NFL
#237 Ryan D'Imperio, Rutgers - played LB 1 yr with Vikings, no longer in NFL

Re: Toby is trending - needle - 10-25-2015

Thanks, winflop. That's the point I was trying to make, but you made it much better.

Re: Toby is trending - stupac2 - 10-25-2015

He's gotten that on fewer than 5 attempts/game, which should tell you something. Sanders has a higher ypc than McCaffrey, but he's not better. Also, after the Jags signed him to be a #1 back he's been abysmal, with 3.2 then 2.6 ypc. And it's not like that's just the Jags being terrible, their team ypcs are 4.5 and 4.0, not great, but quite a bit better than Toby's contributions.

So yeah, if your aspirations for Toby were "pretty decent as a backup for the best back in the NFL and pretty bad afterward" then sure, he's met them. I was hoping for him to actually be a feature back in the NFL and he's nowhere even close.

Re: Toby is trending - fullmetal - 10-25-2015

The Jags may only be using him in clear running situations and thus tipping their hand when he's in the game.  Do they use him as a pass-catching back?  Or is he clearly not able to grind it out like he used to?

Re: Toby is trending - SamAtoms1980 - 10-26-2015

There is a small handful of franchises in the NFL at which pretty much everybody turns to complete shit once they get there, no matter how much talent they had going in.  The Jacksonville Jagoffs are one of them.  Another is the Cleveland Browns