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Iowa FB players endorse Trump - TreesAndBirds - 01-31-2016

http://www.kwwl.com/story/31076069/2016/01/27/hawkeye-nation-reacts-to-football-players-endorsing-trump

The discussion about whether individual college football players should be able to endorse a candidate seems silly, but it does seem ungrateful after Carly betrayed her alma mater to support them.



Re: Iowa FB players endorse Trump - martyup - 01-31-2016

After the drubbing they took in the Rose Bowl, perhaps they think Trump will make them winners.

Re: Iowa FB players endorse Trump - BostonCard - 01-31-2016

Donald Trump... Making Iowa great again.

BC

Re: Iowa FB players endorse Trump - FarmDad.01 - 01-31-2016

Is ethanol an HGH?

Re: Iowa FB players endorse Trump - Bruce Wang - 01-31-2016

In terms of enhancing football performance, ethanol would increase courage at the cost of coordination and good judgement.

Ohhhhh. That explains it - Redrum - 02-01-2016

Iowa wasn't drinking ethenol,  they were drinking methanol...and by halftime they were dead.

Re: Iowa FB players endorse Trump - ColoradoTree - 02-01-2016

TreesAndBirds, I absolutely agree that the debate over whether football players should be able to endorse is silly.  They're certainly well within their rights to publicly support whichever candidate they choose.  That said, whether they nonetheless should endorse is a different issue altogether.  It's obviously dangerous ground to tread, given that a substantial majority of Iowan caucus-goers will support a different candidate, and Trump has obviously made some pretty divisive comments this election cycle. 

I'm torn on this whole issue.  On one hand, football players shouldn't feel compelled to stay silent on something they think is important just because they're football players.  On the other, college football is a unifying force and a refuge from the political disagreements of the day, and it's kind of sad when political disagreements cross into that sanctuary.  Iowans of all political stripes love the Hawkeyes, just like there are many of us on this Board who can bond over Stanford football when we might have trouble staying civil if we were discussing politics.  Our country needs apolitical institutions like that.  That said, I think I'd be sadder if a player really wanted to speak out but felt pressured to stay silent because he was a football player. 

Again, I'm not saying that the players should stay silent, because they should feel free to make whatever political statements they wish, within the bounds of public decency.  I would love to keep certain things in life separate from politics, but I would imagine Hawkeye fans that will be caucusing for any non-Trump candidates will find it in their hearts to support the football team just as strongly next season. 

Re: Iowa FB players endorse Trump - fullmetal - 02-01-2016

If players aren't allowed to be compensated for endorsements, how do universities manage situations where players give uncompensated endorsements?

Re: Iowa FB players endorse Trump - yvonne - 02-01-2016

The Iowa football team strikes again!

Re: Iowa FB players endorse Trump - TreesAndBirds - 02-01-2016

(02-01-2016, 12:03 PM)ColoradoTree link Wrote:TreesAndBirds, I absolutely agree that the debate over whether football players should be able to endorse is silly.  They're certainly well within their rights to publicly support whichever candidate they choose.  That said, whether they nonetheless should endorse is a different issue altogether.  It's obviously dangerous ground to tread, given that a substantial majority of Iowan caucus-goers will support a different candidate, and Trump has obviously made some pretty divisive comments this election cycle. 

I'm torn on this whole issue.  On one hand, football players shouldn't feel compelled to stay silent on something they think is important just because they're football players.  On the other, college football is a unifying force and a refuge from the political disagreements of the day, and it's kind of sad when political disagreements cross into that sanctuary.  Iowans of all political stripes love the Hawkeyes, just like there are many of us on this Board who can bond over Stanford football when we might have trouble staying civil if we were discussing politics.  Our country needs apolitical institutions like that.  That said, I think I'd be sadder if a player really wanted to speak out but felt pressured to stay silent because he was a football player. 

Again, I'm not saying that the players should stay silent, because they should feel free to make whatever political statements they wish, within the bounds of public decency.  I would love to keep certain things in life separate from politics, but I would imagine Hawkeye fans that will be caucusing for any non-Trump candidates will find it in their hearts to support the football team just as strongly next season.

Colorado Tree....I agree with your sentiments. I think the power of sports to bring diverse people together is not recognized enough. While I wanted CMc to win the Trophy, I had recently watched the movie Selma, and was heartened with how strongly the South got behind Henry and Watson, even if they were wrong 😊 So while my post was intended mainly as a humorous knock at Carly the traitor,  I hesitated to post it because I didnt want to start a political discussion. I, like you, want sport to be a refuge from politics.

Re: Iowa FB players endorse Trump - yvonne - 02-01-2016

I think after that stunt nobody on this board likes her, irrespective of their political beliefs.

Re: Iowa FB players endorse Trump - needle - 02-02-2016

I'll always know Carly as the woman who spoke at my commencement ceremony, so if anybody has anything nice to say about her I'd genuinely like to hear it.

Re: Iowa FB players endorse Trump - Mick - 02-02-2016

(02-02-2016, 07:26 AM)needle link Wrote:I'll always know Carly as the woman who spoke at my commencement ceremony, so if anybody has anything nice to say about her I'd genuinely like to hear it.

I don't.  I can't abide her.

Re: Iowa FB players endorse Trump - BostonCard - 02-02-2016

(02-02-2016, 06:36 AM)garvin link Wrote:I'm curious -- does anybody here know Carly Fiorina from Stanford? She's class of 1976 and I think maybe was known as Cara Sneed back in her college days.

I was thinking she might have gone by Bellatrix Lestrange.

BC

Re: Iowa FB players endorse Trump - martyup - 02-02-2016

I think she is a strong voice for women.

Re: Iowa FB players endorse Trump - card_alum_11 - 02-02-2016

(02-02-2016, 09:11 AM)Mick link Wrote:[quote author=needle link=topic=14514.msg155225#msg155225 date=1454423167]
I'll always know Carly as the woman who spoke at my commencement ceremony, so if anybody has anything nice to say about her I'd genuinely like to hear it.

I don't.  I can't abide her.
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Did you work at HP during her time at the helm or is it something else? 

Re: Iowa FB players endorse Trump - BostonCard - 02-02-2016

I know at least one person here has, and cannot abide her either.

BC

Re: Iowa FB players endorse Trump - Mick - 02-03-2016

(02-02-2016, 08:07 PM)card_alum_11 link Wrote:[quote author=Mick link=topic=14514.msg155235#msg155235 date=1454429474]
[quote author=needle link=topic=14514.msg155225#msg155225 date=1454423167]
I'll always know Carly as the woman who spoke at my commencement ceremony, so if anybody has anything nice to say about her I'd genuinely like to hear it.

I don't.  I can't abide her.
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Did you work at HP during her time at the helm or is it something else?
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I sold to HP when she was there  A tribunal of senior HP executives approved of our offering, a $70 million package.  She reached out to cancel the deal from spite.

Secondly, one of my close friends (Stanford grad) worked directly for her.  The stories were hair raisers.

Re: Iowa FB players endorse Trump - socalstanfan1 - 02-03-2016

(02-01-2016, 12:03 PM)ColoradoTree link Wrote:I'm torn on this whole issue.  On one hand, football players shouldn't feel compelled to stay silent on something they think is important just because they're football players.  On the other, college football is a unifying force and a refuge from the political disagreements of the day, and it's kind of sad when political disagreements cross into that sanctuary.  Iowans of all political stripes love the Hawkeyes, just like there are many of us on this Board who can bond over Stanford football when we might have trouble staying civil if we were discussing politics.  Our country needs apolitical institutions like that.  That said, I think I'd be sadder if a player really wanted to speak out but felt pressured to stay silent because he was a football player. 

Again, I'm not saying that the players should stay silent, because they should feel free to make whatever political statements they wish, within the bounds of public decency.  I would love to keep certain things in life separate from politics, but I would imagine Hawkeye fans that will be caucusing for any non-Trump candidates will find it in their hearts to support the football team just as strongly next season. 

I'm not torn on this at all.  One of the things that troubles me the most in the US is widespread political apathy, and the public discourse that says having a political opinion just doesn't matter since "the system" is rigged anyway.  If athletes are involved and interested enough to speak out on politics, please, speak up.  (And I say this as someone who personally cannot stand The Donald, and who is a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat...but the issue of the importance of political consciousness and involvement, for me, transcends affiliation with any particular party, or attachment to any particular candidate.)  Speak up on political issues, on campaigns, set an example not just through your athletic performance but also through your civic involvement.  American politics is often inane and silly and at times the rhetoric can be downright frightening, but widespread involvement is vital.

Re: Iowa FB players endorse Trump - 81alum - 02-03-2016

(02-03-2016, 05:10 AM)socalstanfan1 link Wrote:[quote author=ColoradoTree link=topic=14514.msg155130#msg155130 date=1454353398]

I'm torn on this whole issue.  On one hand, football players shouldn't feel compelled to stay silent on something they think is important just because they're football players.  On the other, college football is a unifying force and a refuge from the political disagreements of the day, and it's kind of sad when political disagreements cross into that sanctuary.  Iowans of all political stripes love the Hawkeyes, just like there are many of us on this Board who can bond over Stanford football when we might have trouble staying civil if we were discussing politics.  Our country needs apolitical institutions like that.  That said, I think I'd be sadder if a player really wanted to speak out but felt pressured to stay silent because he was a football player. 

Again, I'm not saying that the players should stay silent, because they should feel free to make whatever political statements they wish, within the bounds of public decency.  I would love to keep certain things in life separate from politics, but I would imagine Hawkeye fans that will be caucusing for any non-Trump candidates will find it in their hearts to support the football team just as strongly next season. 

I'm not torn on this at all.  One of the things that troubles me the most in the US is widespread political apathy, and the public discourse that says having a political opinion just doesn't matter since "the system" is rigged anyway.  If athletes are involved and interested enough to speak out on politics, please, speak up.  (And I say this as someone who personally cannot stand The Donald, and who is a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat...but the issue of the importance of political consciousness and involvement, for me, transcends affiliation with any particular party, or attachment to any particular candidate.)  Speak up on political issues, on campaigns, set an example not just through your athletic performance but also through your civic involvement.  American politics is often inane and silly and at times the rhetoric can be downright frightening, but widespread involvement is vital.
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Your post warms my Poli Sci heart.

As to Carly, my mother in law, who was very conservative, worked for HP for thirty years, and she grew to detest Carly.  HP employees widely reviled her for betraying the vision of the founders, an impression that was strengthened when Walter Hewlett led an unsuccessful revolt against her.