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Oregon won't always have Paris - washingtonismoney - 08-08-2016
Junior LB Paris Bostick has left the program: http://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/sports/blogs/martini/2016/08/08/oregon-ducks-open-football-camp-seeking-starting-qb-improvement-defense/88430068/
Re: Oregon won't always have Paris - JohnR34231 - 08-09-2016
It will be interesting to see how the Ducks turn out this year. They could be very good, and they could be very average.
Given their track record, I'm leaning towards the former.
Re: Oregon won't always have Paris - pcgoode - 08-09-2016
A lot will depend on their front seven. They have one returning starter on the D Line, and no returning linebackers who started. Throw in a new 4-3 scheme and a new DC, and I think it's fair to say the Ducks will have a questionable defense to start the season.
Re: Oregon won't always have Paris - JohnR34231 - 08-09-2016
The Ducks usually have a questionable defense, but make up for it by scoring bushels of points.
IMHO, the key to their season is finding a QB who can do a reasonable imitation of Vernon Adams (and stay healthy).
Re: Oregon won't always have Paris - pcgoode - 08-09-2016
I think the Ducks defense during the Chip Kelly and the first year of the Helfrich era era was usually decent, but things went off the rail last year. I think they are likely in for another sub-par year defensively again this year.
Re: Oregon won't always have Paris - JohnR34231 - 08-09-2016
(08-09-2016, 06:53 AM)pcgoode link Wrote:I think the Ducks defense during the Chip Kelly and the first year of the Helfrich era era was usually decent, but things went off the rail last year. I think they are likely in for another sub-par year defensively again this year.
You're right that the Duck defense was significantly worse last year than it had been in the past, and while not lock down prior to 2015 you could consider it at least decent. However, when Vernon Adams was healthy last year, the Ducks won anyway. That's why I think finding a capable replacement for him is the most crucial problem facing them.
Re: Oregon won't always have Paris - Leftcoast - 08-09-2016
Well, their defense was good enough to beat US last year - 38-36.
Your point holds though - Oregon scored more points against Stanford in 2015 than any other opponent.
Against Oregon we scored very close to our season average of 37.8 points while their offense performed much better than the average Stanford opponent. For the year Stanford had a 22.6 points against average. The next highest scores against Stanford were Notre Dame (36) and UCLA (35).
I'm sure advanced stats that take game flow into account would be helpful - perhaps showing points per drive and so on but the overall point that Oregon's offense was just good enough to compensate for a mediocre defense was proven against an elite Stanford team - at our place. (That one still burns deep.)
By the way, isn't that catholic school UDFG? What does the new replacement acronym stand for? I suppose I can guess ...
Re: Oregon won't always have Paris - stupac2 - 08-09-2016
(08-09-2016, 07:46 AM)leftcoast link Wrote:Well, their defense was good enough to beat US last year - 38-36.
How many unforced errors did we have in that game? I remember at least two fumbled snaps that the Ducks recovered, which is super lucky for them. We only punted once all game, though we did attempt 4 FGs (missing one). I suppose that's the defense doing just enough, but IIRC if either one of those fumbled snaps either didn't happen or we recovered, we probably win the game. That was so infuriating.
Re: Oregon won't always have Paris - JohnR34231 - 08-09-2016
At least against us, I think of the Duck defense as one which gives up a lot of yards and points, but is tough when it has to be. An example would be stopping us on the two point conversion last year that would have sent the game into overtime, although you could argue it was a Stanford lineman missing his block rather anything that they did that resulted in our failure.
Re: Oregon won't always have Paris - pcgoode - 08-09-2016
IIRC, Ronnie Harris went out with an injury during the Oregon game at some point. Losing our best corner had to hurt us vs a healthy Vernon Adams. Probably also hurt us vs the Bears and Notre Dame.
Re: Oregon won't always have Paris - Hurlburt88 - 08-09-2016
I definitely thought losing Harris hurt us in those 3 games
Re: Oregon won't always have Paris - fullmetal - 08-09-2016
(08-09-2016, 08:08 AM)stupac2 link Wrote:[quote author=leftcoast link=topic=15420.msg167410#msg167410 date=1470753992]Well, their defense was good enough to beat US last year - 38-36.
How many unforced errors did we have in that game? I remember at least two fumbled snaps that the Ducks recovered, which is super lucky for them. We only punted once all game, though we did attempt 4 FGs (missing one). I suppose that's the defense doing just enough, but IIRC if either one of those fumbled snaps either didn't happen or we recovered, we probably win the game. That was so infuriating.
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The defense was apparently copying our signals or yelling out false cadences, iirc. Refs could have called that penalty if they wanted to...but they didn't. I'm peeved that they didn't the second time around.
Re: Oregon won't always have Paris - Redrum - 08-09-2016
(08-09-2016, 07:46 AM)leftcoast link Wrote:Well, their defense was good enough to beat US last year - 38-36.
Your point holds though - Oregon scored more points against Stanford in 2015 than any other opponent.
Against Oregon we scored very close to our season average of 37.8 points while their offense performed much better than the average Stanford opponent. For the year Stanford had a 22.6 points against average. The next highest scores against Stanford were UFDFG (36) and UCLA (35).
I'm sure advanced stats that take game flow into account would be helpful - perhaps showing points per drive and so on but the overall point that Oregon's offense was just good enough to compensate for a mediocre defense was proven against an elite Stanford team - at our place. (That one still burns deep.)
By the way, isn't that catholic school UDFG? What does the new replacement acronym stand for? I suppose I can guess ...
Your guess is correct: University of Dead Fake Girlfriends.
Re: Oregon won't always have Paris - Phogge - 08-09-2016
They still have Carrington, Freeman, Nelson and Griffin. If the QB is OK they should put up 35 plus every week. Of course they can give up bushels like TCU did in the bowl. Guess 9-3 and a mid bowl. Anyone know if Allen made the Olympic team?
Re: Oregon won't always have Paris - Durty Nelly - 08-09-2016
Allen won the Olympic trials. He is in Rio.
Oregon is really going to miss Buckner. They have no replacement for his disruption on the current DL. Will be difficult for them to exert pressure on the QB without bringing extra pass rushers/blitzers.
Re: Oregon won't always have Paris - BobK - 08-09-2016
And for Trivia Carrington's sister is a frosh on the Stanford WBB team.Â
Re: Oregon won't always have Paris - Leftcoast - 08-09-2016
(08-09-2016, 10:39 AM)Redrum link Wrote:Your guess is correct: University of Dead Fake Girlfriends.
- Redrum
Ah ... But there was a subtle change made recently by our all knowing software overlords. Our favorite catholic school's name now translates to UFDFG - presumably the University of Fake Dead Fake Girlfriends.
Re: Oregon won't always have Paris - JohnR34231 - 08-10-2016
(08-09-2016, 09:08 AM)pcgoode link Wrote:IIRC, Ronnie Harris went out with an injury during the Oregon game at some point. Losing our best corner had to hurt us vs a healthy Vernon Adams. Probably also hurt us vs the 59ers and UFDFG.
Not sure when Ronnie went out, but the Duck offense took it to us from the first time they had the ball. So unless he was injured on the first few plays, his presence didn't seem to make much difference one way or the other.
It was a very frustrating game because when the offense was clicking, the defense couldn't get it done, and when the defense finally put it together and got some stops the offense couldn't get it done. It was a game clearly reminiscent of the "bad old days" where we would play just well enough to lose.
Re: Oregon won't always have Paris - ChicagoCard - 08-10-2016
The other thing is that Holder was injured at a certain point so both he and Harris were out. Wasn't Holder also injured in the Oregon game at some point, or was that earlier in the year. Colorado maybe. And then in the Pac-12 title game Harris played the first half, Holder the second.
Re: Oregon won't always have Paris - pcgoode - 08-10-2016
"Not sure when Ronnie went out, but the Duck offense took it to us from the first time they had the ball. So unless he was injured on the first few plays, his presence didn't seem to make much difference one way or the other."
I rewatched part of the game, and Oregon literally didn't complete a pass until early in the second quarter. At about the 12:00 minute mark of the second quarter, Harris looks like he was injured and didn't come back into the game. Not sure about Holder.