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Wildcat - Burns - lex24 - 08-28-2017
So did you notice they brought Burns in on a goal line series. He ran straight ahead out of the gun? Might he be the Wildcat guy this year? He's a good runner, you can have Wedington as the in motion fly sweep potential and if you split Chryst wide there is a double pass option.
Re: Wildcat - Burns - martyup - 08-28-2017
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Re: Wildcat - Burns - Phogge - 08-29-2017
Loved Sam Kinison. Should have had a full time chauffeur.
Re: Wildcat - Burns - pokey - 08-29-2017
It sort of seemed like the play was a designed run just to try to get him that TD against Rice that he didn't quite make at the end of last year's Rice game.
(08-28-2017, 09:42 PM)lex24 link Wrote:So did you notice they brought Burns in on a goal line series. He ran straight ahead out of the gun? Might he be the Wildcat guy this year? He's a good runner, you can have Wedington as the in motion fly sweep potential and if you split Chryst wide there is a double pass option.
Re: Wildcat - Burns PLEASE SCRAP THE WILDCAT - johnnyo53 - 08-29-2017
I HATE THAT CALL. BUT I SUPPOSE IF YOU'RE TRYING TO LESSEN THE "COMPETITION" AT QB AND KILL DRIVES IT'S A GOOD STRATEGY BY SHAVITAGREN.
Re: Wildcat - Burns - Stymie - 08-29-2017
I think it was genius.
1. Gives Burns a role
2. Makes Helton wonder "WTF!" when we get into the red zone
3. Gives Shaw time to discuss the next play with the #1 QB (if the Wildcat has failed).
Re: Wildcat - Burns - Hulk01 - 08-29-2017
What was the college team, maybe two or three seasons ago, that regularly had a very big (6'5', 240) quarterback run their offense--usually a wildcat--inside their opponent's ten?Â
Re: Wildcat - Burns - BostonCard - 08-29-2017
(08-29-2017, 09:51 AM)Hulk01 link Wrote:What was the college team, maybe two or three seasons ago, that regularly had a very big (6'5', 240) quarterback run their offense--usually a wildcat--inside their opponent's ten?Â
Didn't Texas do that in 2015?
http://texas.247sports.com/Article/Breaking-down-Texas-Longhorns-quarterbacks-for-offseason-of-2016-42733783
Quote:Swoopes, meanwhile, revived as a specialty player, finding success in the 18 Wheeler short-yardage package, finishing with a team-high 11 touchdowns. While Swoopes shouldered his share of the blame for the loss in South Bend, his redemption story ended on a high note with his performance (12-of-19, 151 yards and a touchdown; 10 carries, 52 yards and a rushing touchdown) as the starter in the road upset of Baylor to end the season.
BC
Re: Wildcat - Burns - DC 86 - 08-29-2017
(08-29-2017, 09:51 AM)Hulk01 link Wrote:What was the college team, maybe two or three seasons ago, that regularly had a very big (6'5', 240) quarterback run their offense--usually a wildcat--inside their opponent's ten?
Blake Bell (6-6, 250) at Oklahoma was used in short yardage and goal line situations during the Landry Jones era. In his career he scored 24 rushing TD on 104 carries.
He is in his third season with the 49ers as a tight end.
Re: Wildcat - Burns - DC 86 - 08-29-2017
(08-29-2017, 10:04 AM)Boston Card link Wrote:Didn't Texas do that in 2015?
And in 2016. He scored seven rushing touchdowns coming in on goal line situations for Shane Buechele. He played a big (pun intended) role in UT's win against ND in last year's season opener.
Re: Wildcat - Burns - washingtonismoney - 08-29-2017
While there's been a lot of folk wisdom that the wildcat is a bad play, has anyone actually broken down the numbers to see whether it did (or didn't) work?
Also, what do we mean by "The Wildcat" anyway? Burns, a QB, is slightly different than putting an RB back there. We've seen two running-QB packages during the Shaw era -- Kevin Hogan (which I'd say worked) and Dallas Lloyd (which got shelved after Lloyd demonstrated turnover issues, though he had plenty of successful plays otherwise). Based on history it seems like a running-QB package can work very well, and that Shaw and his staff are pretty quick to shut down a malfunctioning version. So it seems like a perfectly cromulent experiment to me.Â
Re: Wildcat - Burns - Hulk01 - 08-29-2017
Thanks for the smart responses. Man.
It was Blake Bell whom I remember running the play.
Re: Wildcat - Burns - stupac2 - 08-29-2017
(08-29-2017, 10:44 AM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:While there's been a lot of folk wisdom that the wildcat is a bad play, has anyone actually broken down the numbers to see whether it did (or didn't) work?
Also, what do we mean by "The Wildcat" anyway? Burns, a QB, is slightly different than putting an RB back there. We've seen two running-QB packages during the Shaw era -- Kevin Hogan (which I'd say worked) and Dallas Lloyd (which got shelved after Lloyd demonstrated turnover issues, though he had plenty of successful plays otherwise). Based on history it seems like a running-QB package can work very well, and that Shaw and his staff are pretty quick to shut down a malfunctioning version. So it seems like a perfectly cromulent experiment to me.
I've personally never seen any breakdown of it, probably because that would mean charting our games and ain't nobody got time for dat. Easier to MMQB.
Re: Wildcat - Burns - fullmetal - 08-29-2017
(08-29-2017, 10:49 AM)Hulk01 link Wrote:Thanks for the smart responses. Man.
It was Blake Bell whom I remember running the play.
Belldozer was the nickname.
Re: Wildcat - Burns - CTcard - 08-29-2017
(08-29-2017, 10:44 AM)washingtonismoney link Wrote:While there's been a lot of folk wisdom that the wildcat is a bad play, has anyone actually broken down the numbers to see whether it did (or didn't) work?
By memory, somebody did such a breakdown awhile back - maybe 2014, maybe 2015 (I would guess terry).
The result was the wildcat averaged more yards than our running plays generally, but not overwhelmingly so.
It's a bit of a pain. You have to do a fairly long period of time to get meaningful numbers, and you probably have to watch film because wildat formations are usually not noted in college box scores.
Quote:We've seen two running-QB packages during the Shaw era -- Kevin Hogan (which I'd say worked) and Dallas Lloyd (which got shelved after Lloyd demonstrated turnover issues, though he had plenty of successful plays otherwise).
I am not sure either of those had enough repetitions to really know if they worked.
Before he emerged int the Colorado game, Hogan had 1 pass attempt (a nice TD vs cal that gave him a PER of 506).
He also had 7 runs for 16 yds (2.3 yds/carry), most of which came the week before Colorado, vs WSU.
Lloyd had 6 carries for 26 yards (4.3 avg) in 2013, 1 carry for 4 yds (and a fumble??) in 2014.
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And of course another famous red zone QB was Tim Tebow as a frosh in 2006 when Chris Leak was the starter.
Re: Wildcat - Burns - Phogge - 08-29-2017
The "Wildcat" is really a single wing formation with a couple of wide receivers and less deception. Also not much chance that the tailback (single wing parlance) will throw. If McCaffrey had passed a little I think that it would have made the opponents waste time scheming a defense at practice.
Re: Wildcat - Burns - YA_TITTLE - 08-29-2017
I don't think what we saw with burns was a "wildcat" per se, but sort of similar to the package Kevin Hogan had as a Freshman. If Shaw does want to break out the Montgomery/Mccaffrey version of the wildcat that could be a good role for Weddington or Tyler who was a QB in HS.
Re: Wildcat - Burns - CTcard - 08-29-2017
(08-29-2017, 02:49 PM)Phogge link Wrote:If McCaffrey had passed a little I think that it would have made the opponents waste time scheming a defense at practice.
Hey, McCaffrey passed 3 times, with 2 TDs to show for it.
His career quarterback rating (PER) is 396.
Re: Wildcat - Burns I DON'T THINK IT'S INNOVATIVE OR WISE - johnnyo53 - 08-29-2017
TO USE BURNS LIKE THIS. CHRYST BEFORE THE KNEE MAYBE, OR SCOTT FROST. BUT WE DON'T HAVE A BELLDOZER OR A TEBOW, AND I HOPE TO GAWD WE NEVER GO THAT ROUTE WITH OUR QBS. I JUST DON'T LIKE THE CALL. I DIDN'T LIKE IT WITH MONTGOMERY, MCCAFFREY OR BURNS. MAYBE I'M JUST RESISTANT TO SOME OF THE SHAVITAGREN GENIUS. I HATED THE STUPID TE FADE TO TOILOLO TOO. ERTZ OR FLEENER, MAYBE, BUT TOILOLO NEVER SEEMED TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT CATCH WHEN WE NEEDED IT, IF AT ALL. END OF RANT
Re: Wildcat - Burns I DON'T THINK IT'S INNOVATIVE OR WISE - CTcard - 08-29-2017
(08-29-2017, 08:56 PM)johnnyo53 link Wrote:TO USE BURNS LIKE THIS. ... I JUST DON'T LIKE THE CALL.Â
Well, it might be worth examining what actually happened on the play in question.
Because of 1) the extra blocker, 2) the threat to pass with an actual QB taking the snap, and 3) that the defenders were easily bowled over - there was a gigantic hole for Burns and he gained 8+ yards in the red zone down to the 1 foot line.
Sometimes, even if something grates and appears to go against all that is right and decent, if it actually works consistently one should reconsider.
Though of course #3 above won't always be true.