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At what point... - FarmBoy - 11-25-2017

Does ND decide to discontinue their s annual game? When they decided to add Stanford as an annual counterpunch to their game with SC, I'm sure they thought they would win 75%+ of their games. Is an annual trip to CA worth it if they lose more than half to Stanford?

Assuming we hold on, we will be 7-2 since 2009, with the Irish winless in CA.

Re: At what point... - thunder_chik - 11-25-2017

Well, scheduling us helps their SoS, LOL!

Re: At what point... - d4cohn - 11-26-2017

My take: Notre Dame wants to play us every year not so much for even football reasons, but for academic ones. It gives ND a chance to compare their academics and academic standards to ours. That we are a good football team in a region of the country that they try to heavily recruit is an added bonus. As such, I don't think they will be dropping Stanford any time soon.

Re: At what point... - TreesAndBirds - 11-26-2017

ND should drop us for cal. Still get NorCal exposure, cal is good academic school, and ND would win all the games.

Re: At what point... - JohnR34231 - 11-26-2017

(11-26-2017, 12:45 AM)Card15 link Wrote:My take: Votre Dame wants to play us every year not so much for even football reasons, but for academic ones. It gives ND a chance to compare their academics and academic standards to ours. That we are a good football team in a region of the country that they try to heavily recruit is an added bonus. As such, I don't think they will be dropping Stanford any time soon.

I think you are spot on there. Not sure why so many Stanford fans dislike this series. It focuses national attention on us (good for recruiting) and we certainly win our share.

Re: At what point... - Mick - 11-26-2017

I think Noter Dame will drop us for Michigan.

Re: At what point... - d4cohn - 11-26-2017

(11-26-2017, 07:45 AM)Mick link Wrote:I think Noter Dame will drop us for Michigan.

My Dad is a Michigan alum, and Notre Dame already kept Michigan State and Stanford on schedule, while dropping Michigan once in 2014. While they will play UM in 2018 and 2019, they clearly value the ND-Stanford matchup over the matchup with Michigan.

Regarding scheduling Cal, I should clarify my previous post to say that Notre Dame leadership loves scheduling Stanford because they claim it is a matchup of the two FBS schools with the best academics. In fact, I have heard that some ND fans try to claim that their football academic standards are higher than ours (I know). Notre Dame plays plenty of great academic schools already as part of their schedule (Boston College, Navy, as well as ACC scheduling this year against UNC and Wake Forest). Playing another good academic school isn't enough, just as a 9-3 season isn't enough for them. They want to play the best, and beat the best. ND plays Stanford because we have the best FBS academic standards (when we are the only school where a recruit has to get admitted to Stanford prior to accepting their offer), and everyone knows it.

Unfortunately for them, that is three in a row in the series for us, and we have won 5 in a row at home against the Domers.

Re: At what point... - lex24 - 11-26-2017

ND values a Calif trip every year for recruiting. Unfortunately for the Irish, this is not your fathers Cardinal. So  the trip to Pali Alto comes now with a price. And a couple years ‘15 and ‘17 a heavy one.

Gotta love it.

Please plus this post.  I need the help.



Re: At what point... - d4cohn - 11-26-2017

One final point: ND-Stanford is already scheduled through 2024 (at least formally). This matchup isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Re: At what point... - ChicagoCard - 11-26-2017

I suppose the series gives Stanford some TV exposure they wouldn't otherwise get...

http://programminginsider.com/saturday-ratings-notre-dame-vs-stanford-college-football-lifts-abc-modest-victory/

Re: At what point... - CowboyIndian - 11-26-2017

You want eastern H-man and CFP voters who otherwise have not heard of Lewis and Clark and beyond the Rockies (except for L. A.)? Gotta play the Domers. Don't you like beating them?


Re: At what point... - DC 86 - 11-26-2017

The Notre Dame game may be my favorite game of the year. Despite consistently being overrated they remain a marquee team with a national following, so beating them (and their entitled, obnoxious fans) is meaningful, not to mention that we go head to head with them for a lot of recruits.

Re: At what point... - Spiny_Norman - 11-26-2017

Look at the tv ratings. N.otre Dame is the most watched game Stanford plays every year.  By far.

Prior to yesterday, the most watched 2017 Stanford game was U.SC with an audience of 2.069 million.  Yesterday's audience will probably come in at 5-6 million people.

In 2015, N.D at Stanford drew 7.3M people.  The Irish may want to come West for recruiting. But the game really helps Stanford's exposure too.

Re: At what point... - Goose - 11-26-2017

I guess one factor to consider is that it is just possible that Notre Dame wants to be measured against the best, "Iron sharpens Iron", and all that. One could similarly ask why Stanford insists on playing USC and UCLA every year. It would be easier to make the PAC-12 championship and and the "final four" if we didn't. Remember, Notre Dame still leads the series, FWIW.

Re: At what point... - SF_Cardinal_Fan - 11-26-2017

(11-26-2017, 10:58 AM)Spiny_Norman link Wrote:Look at the tv ratings. N.otre Dame is the most watched game Stanford plays every year.  By far.

Prior to yesterday, the most watched 2017 Stanford game was U.SC with an audience of 2.069 million.  Yesterday's audience will probably come in at 5-6 million people.

In 2015, N.D at Stanford drew 7.3M people.  The Irish may want to come West for recruiting. But the game really helps Stanford's exposure too.

Prestige game, really.

Re: At what point... - TreesAndBirds - 11-26-2017

I dont disagree that we should play ND, but from their perspective, I think it has hurt them to give us the publicity. The rise of Stanford may have hurt them more than any other team. They used to be the nationwide magnet for top athletes that cared about academics and integrity (at least by reputation). That is now the sandbox we play in, and pretty successfully. They have helped to enable a significant competitor, but that horse has left the barn so probably no benefit in stopping the series, and I think at this point it helps their brand also. And I give them credit, they play a solid SOS, year in and out, despite not really being in a conference.

Re: At what point... - DC 86 - 11-26-2017

(11-26-2017, 10:58 AM)Spiny_Norman link Wrote:Look at the tv ratings. N.otre Dame is the most watched game Stanford plays every year.  By far.

Prior to yesterday, the most watched 2017 Stanford game was U.SC with an audience of 2.069 million.  Yesterday's audience will probably come in at 5-6 million people.

In 2015, N.D at Stanford drew 7.3M people.  The Irish may want to come West for recruiting. But the game really helps Stanford's exposure too.

Exactly. Last night's game peaked at 5.42 million viewers. Extremely valuable to Stanford as compared to scheduling another Mountain West or Conference USA game.

Re: At what point... - ChicagoCard - 11-26-2017

Question: Why does the No.tre D.ame at SoKal or at Stanford game *have* to be the last regular season game of the year? What determines that?

Re: At what point... - stupac2 - 11-26-2017

(11-26-2017, 01:52 PM)ChicagoTree link Wrote:Question: Why does the No.tre D.ame at SoKal or at Stanford game *have* to be the last regular season game of the year? What determines that?

ND gets what ND wants.

You know, except wins!

Re: At what point... - 82 Card - 11-26-2017

(11-26-2017, 10:30 AM)ChicagoTree link Wrote:I suppose the series gives Stanford some TV exposure they wouldn't otherwise get...

http://programminginsider.com/saturday-ratings-notre-dame-vs-stanford-college-football-lifts-abc-modest-victory/

It helped that the Apple Cup was a blowout. People started switching from the Apple cup to our game after the first half hour. The Stanford-ND audience grew as the Washington audience declined, eventually by more than a million. The audience was at it's peak when Stanford took control of the game.