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Mickey Mouse Refs - VFRing98 - 12-01-2017

These were the best the PAC-12 could bring? Horrible calls all over the place.

Thanks Larry (again)!

Re: Mickey Mouse Refs - lex24 - 12-01-2017

Stanford got a break on a quick whistle when Love fumbled on last play of first Q near goal line. But they got hosed on a couple of key calls. The hold on Marx and the lateral being the big two. The fourth down Scarlett run may have been a TD. But very questionable.  And a tough call.

Still they had a lot of chances in this one.

Re: Mickey Mouse Refs - scorecard - 12-01-2017

It was the same sideline ref who called the hold on Marx (really weak call, defender was nowhere close to Costello on the play, and holding of that variety could be called on virtually every play), as well as being the one who rushed to blow the 4th and goal play dead.  Check that guy's bank account for unusual transactions!

Re: Mickey Mouse Refs - BostonCard - 12-01-2017

Also, there was the pass interference against the guy defending JJAW.  If anything it was OPI.

BC

Re: Mickey Mouse Refs - Beeg_Dawg - 12-02-2017

(12-01-2017, 11:35 PM)Boston Card link Wrote:Also, there was the pass interference against the guy defending JJAW.  If anything it was OPI.

BC

I thought it was a comedy of makeup calls. Both teams got hosed on some calls.  Horrible officiating in CCG. 

Re: Mickey Mouse Refs - TRD - 12-02-2017


PAC-12 officials are just brutal. I guess on the bright side, at least they're consistent so there is no reason to be surprised.

Re: Mickey Mouse Refs - Mick - 12-02-2017

16 penalties total for 149 yards.  And some of them were just brutal.  It was really painful to watch.

Re: Mickey Mouse Refs - North Woods - 12-02-2017

Sadly you come to expect it: play is close enough to review, announcers can see the right call, yet the opposite call is made in the replay booth.

Any referees will make mistakes but on reviewable plays they should be better. The lateral/forward pass, reviewing the ball placement vs. University of South Bend should have been clear yet...

For the matter, existing technology should be able to help them further at relatively low cost. Give them a tool to draw a line straight across the field so they can see where the ball started and finished on the lateral (though of course last night there was a yard marker super close but they still got it wrong). Using computers to mark start/finish position of the ball would be even more accurate. Adapt goal line technology from soccer to see if part of the ball crosses the goal line at any point before the official judges a player to be down. Track official first down distance with computers which should be more accurate than guys eyeballing the initial spot but then inferring more accuracy after running from the sideline to the ball with the chains. Etc.

Some plays will always require judgment. That’s fine and part of the game. But they should be much better on the rest and at least use tools that could reasonably be made available. Could get it right much more — often in real time which would have additional benefit of speeding up play.

Re: Mickey Mouse Refs - stupac2 - 12-02-2017

It's weird, I had thought that the reffing this year was pretty good on the whole, and that we'd even had that crew before. I'm not sure why they turned into flag monsters on the biggest stage.

I'm still baffled by the lateral call, it was so obviously going forward, how on earth do you miss that?

Re: Mickey Mouse Refs - ATLCard - 12-02-2017

There was some remarkably bad work from the referees, including things that didn't seem to be noticed at all.  At one point there was I believe a 2nd and long where Costello connected with a tight end over the middle who was tackled falling about on the first down line, maybe a hair short.  Instead the side judge marks it a full yard short.  I wondered if I just missed something, but they showed the replay and they clearly marked it about yard short of where he went down.  I don't think it stopped that drive but it was mind-boggling.  Also on the spot when they used the replay booth to see if Scarlett got into the end zone earlier -- he probably got in but you couldn't prove it from the replay.  However you could prove that at worst he was on the one inch line not 6 inches further back where they spotted it.  Neither of those ended up making a difference, but wtf?  And on the lateral call, I think the replay refs have interpreted their mandate to be "if it is close don't overturn" as opposed to the actual rule which is that evidence needs to be conclusive to overturn.  That play is an example of a play that was definitely close but the proximity to the yard line allowed conclusive evidence.