Giants win again - Printable Version

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Giants win again - BobK - 05-05-2018

Now 18-15. I so wish I was old and have the slow bat of Crawford ?

RE: Giants win again - Mick - 05-05-2018

(05-05-2018, 07:18 PM)BobK Wrote: Now 18-15. I so wish I was old and have the slow bat of Crawford ?

At the beginning of the day, the Giants had nine teams in front of them. Now it is seven in front and one tied...

RE: Giants win again - wallendar - 05-05-2018

(05-05-2018, 07:18 PM)BobK Wrote: Now 18-15. I so wish I was old and have the slow bat of Crawford ?

I know I’m old but being aged has its advantages. For example, I have learned not to get too high or too low about the Giants until a quarter of the season has been played. At that point, we generally have a pretty good idea of what to expect from the rest of the season.

RE: Giants win again - OutsiderFan - 05-06-2018

I'm officially shocked. Not only did I not believe the Giants could take a series from the NL East leading Braves who had won 9 of their last 10 before the Giants started beating bumps on them, who could have possibly seen them outscoring ATL 20-6 over the first two games?

The May schedule is just brutal. Outside of a 3-game set against the woeful Reds, every team they play the rest of the month is at or over .500 on May 6. If they are over .500 when the June swoon typically strikes, maybe they will be a contender after all. I'm still quite skeptical with all the injuries plaguing the team.

RE: Giants win again - BobK - 05-06-2018

Happy 87 Th birthday to the Say Hey Kid

RE: Giants win again - wallendar - 05-06-2018

(05-06-2018, 07:45 AM)BobK Wrote: Happy 87 Th birthday to the Say Hey Kid

The greatest player in the game’s history... I feel very fortunate to have had the opportunity to watch him play on a regular basis. Happy Birthday, Willie!

(05-06-2018, 06:00 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: I'm officially shocked. Not only did I not believe the Giants could take a series from the NL East leading Braves who had won 9 of their last 10 before the Giants started beating bumps on them, who could have possibly seen them outscoring ATL 20-6 over the first two games?

The May schedule is just brutal. Outside of a 3-game set against the woeful Reds, every team they play the rest of the month is at or over .500 on May 6. If they are over .500 when the June swoon typically strikes, maybe they will be a contender after all. I'm still quite skeptical with all the injuries plaguing the team.

Aarrrggghhhhh.... The “June Swoon” is a myth! I hate seeing references to it because it doesn’t exist. Take a look (yes, the article is from 2014 but it reflects 56 seasons (93%) of the total sample size).

https://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2014/6/27/5850118/san-francisco-giants-june-swoon

RE: Giants win again - BobK - 05-06-2018

We often had a June Swoon in the 60s. But totally agree with wallander

I got to see Willie Mays so many times. Always fun

RE: Giants win again - Phogge - 05-06-2018

Take off your rose tinted glasses Bobbbbb. Crawford has shortened his swing. Maybe Powell saw something. He’ll still hit under .240 for the season. And with all the runs don’t overlook what the staff is doing with their backs to the wall. Plus they still need a lights out closer not a heart attack waiting to happen. Best move of Evans short career was getting Watson. Or maybe Sabes influence.

RE: Giants win again - BobK - 05-06-2018

19-15 makes me rosy
Strickland 8 saves out of 10 makes me rosy
Crawford’s big week makes me rosy
Just call me rosyball over ???

Eryainly again on Watson

RE: Giants win again - wallendar - 05-06-2018

(05-06-2018, 06:38 PM)Phogge Wrote: Take off your rose tinted glasses Bobbbbb. Crawford has shortened his swing. Maybe Powell saw something. He’ll still hit under .240 for the season. And with all the runs don’t overlook what the staff is doing with their backs to the wall. Plus they still need a lights out closer not a heart attack waiting to happen. Best move of Evans short career was getting Watson. Or maybe Sabes influence.

What I see from behind my rose-tinted glasses....

I cut Crawford a lot of slack for his numbers last season. The year was a lost cause beginning with the death of his sister-in-law. I still have high hopes for Melancon (he should be back by the end of the month). And lastly, Evans has made a number of solid moves - Watson, McCutchen, Longoria - all w/o exceeding the CBT limit and he made the Will Smith trade last year, getting a solid player for nothing. He deserves more credit than he is getting....

Remember, you thought Bob and I were smoking some funny stuff but it turned out we were
visionaries (well, at least until they get to Philadelphia)...

RE: Giants win again - Phogge - 05-06-2018

With all due respect to the poster and to Mays ability but Babe Ruth was the greatest baseball player. I doubt Mays would have made the Hall as a pitcher which Ruth would have if he had stayed on the mound. AAMOF Ruth should have been the #1 on ESPN’s list with Thorpe #2.

RE: Giants win again - Mick - 05-09-2018

(05-06-2018, 10:12 PM)Phogge Wrote: With all due respect to the poster and to Mays ability but Babe Ruth was the greatest baseball player. I doubt Mays would have made the Hall as a pitcher which Ruth would have if he had stayed on the mound. AAMOF Ruth should have been the #1 on ESPN’s list with Thorpe #2.

+100 being able to pitch and hit at that level is amazing. Ruth is#12 on the all time winningest percentage pitcher list.

RE: Giants win again - wallendar - 05-09-2018

(05-09-2018, 06:04 AM)Mick Wrote:
(05-06-2018, 10:12 PM)Phogge Wrote: With all due respect to the poster and to Mays ability but Babe Ruth was the greatest baseball player. I doubt Mays would have made the Hall as a pitcher which Ruth would have if he had stayed on the mound. AAMOF Ruth should have been the #1 on ESPN’s list with Thorpe #2.

+100 being able to pitch and hit at that level is amazing. Ruth is#12 on the all time winningest percentage pitcher list.

Factor in night baseball, additional travel, the color barrier and an overall improvement in the quality of competition and I’ll still take Mays. He was the benchmark by which all five tool players are measured. Note: this takes nothing away from Ruth - he saved baseball following the Black Sox scandal but, IMO, he was not the greatest ball player of all time.

RE: Giants win again - BobK - 05-09-2018

Willie Mays, no question in my mind

RE: Giants win again - Mick - 05-09-2018

(05-09-2018, 11:41 AM)wallendar Wrote:
(05-09-2018, 06:04 AM)Mick Wrote:
(05-06-2018, 10:12 PM)Phogge Wrote: With all due respect to the poster and to Mays ability but Babe Ruth was the greatest baseball player. I doubt Mays would have made the Hall as a pitcher which Ruth would have if he had stayed on the mound. AAMOF Ruth should have been the #1 on ESPN’s list with Thorpe #2.

+100 being able to pitch and hit at that level is amazing. Ruth is#12 on the all time winningest percentage pitcher list.

Factor in night baseball, additional travel, the color barrier and an overall improvement in the quality of competition and I’ll still take Mays. He was the benchmark by which all five tool players are measured. Note: this takes nothing away from Ruth - he saved baseball following the Black Sox scandal but, IMO, he was not the greatest ball player of all time.

I'll see your night baseball/additional travel/color barrier/overall improvement in the quality of competition and raise you with the benefits Mays received from improved nutrition, improved conditioning, better travel and living conditions, better coaching, better managing, better training and better equipment at a minimum (wonder how many home runs Ruth would have hit without the dead ball and with Mays' 34 ounce bat instead of Ruth's 48 ounce bat). Ruth had 226 fewer strikeouts than Mays, and 598 more walks. Ruth faced legit spitballers his entire career. He swung at balls that were brown from dirt and tobacco. Ruth's OPS was 1.164, Mays' was .941. As for speed, Mays had 140 triples, but Ruth had 136, in about 2,500 more at bats than Mays had. Ruth had more runs scored and more RBIs than Mays, in those 2,500 fewer at bats.

And Ruth could pitch. MAN how he could pitch. Mays -- like most batters -- couldn't pitch a lick. Ruth, by winning percentage, is the 12th most winning pitcher in history. His career WHIP was 1.159. Koufax's was 1.106.

Look, Mays is my favorite Giant, far and away. But Babe Ruth was a physical freak. There's no one who had a similar skill set, to pitch and hit at the very peak of the game.

RE: Giants win again - CornFed - 05-09-2018

(05-09-2018, 07:41 PM)Mick Wrote:
(05-09-2018, 11:41 AM)wallendar Wrote:
(05-09-2018, 06:04 AM)Mick Wrote:
(05-06-2018, 10:12 PM)Phogge Wrote: With all due respect to the poster and to Mays ability but Babe Ruth was the greatest baseball player. I doubt Mays would have made the Hall as a pitcher which Ruth would have if he had stayed on the mound. AAMOF Ruth should have been the #1 on ESPN’s list with Thorpe #2.

+100 being able to pitch and hit at that level is amazing. Ruth is#12 on the all time winningest percentage pitcher list.

Factor in night baseball, additional travel, the color barrier and an overall improvement in the quality of competition and I’ll still take Mays. He was the benchmark by which all five tool players are measured. Note: this takes nothing away from Ruth - he saved baseball following the Black Sox scandal but, IMO, he was not the greatest ball player of all time.

I'll see your night baseball/additional travel/color barrier/overall improvement in the quality of competition and raise you with the benefits Mays received from improved nutrition, improved conditioning, better travel and living conditions, better coaching, better managing, better training and better equipment at a minimum (wonder how many home runs Ruth would have hit without the dead ball and with Mays' 34 ounce bat instead of Ruth's 48 ounce bat). Ruth had 226 fewer strikeouts than Mays, and 598 more walks. Ruth faced legit spitballers his entire career. He swung at balls that were brown from dirt and tobacco. Ruth's OPS was 1.164, Mays' was .941. As for speed, Mays had 140 triples, but Ruth had 136, in about 2,500 more at bats than Mays had. Ruth had more runs scored and more RBIs than Mays, in those 2,500 fewer at bats.

And Ruth could pitch. MAN how he could pitch. Mays -- like most batters -- couldn't pitch a lick. Ruth, by winning percentage, is the 12th most winning pitcher in history. His career WHIP was 1.159. Koufax's was 1.106.

Look, Mays is my favorite Giant, far and away. But Babe Ruth was a physical freak. There's no one who had a similar skill set, to pitch and hit at the very peak of the game.

Didn't pitchers frequently pitch both ends of a double header in Ruth's day? Weren't relief pitchers in general in those days just dross?

RE: Giants win again - cardcrimson - 05-09-2018

Sorry guys, you're all wrong. Gotta go with Roy Hobbs as the greatest of all time. Great hitter and a great pitcher. Career cut short by a woman on a train. What a bummer.

RE: Giants win again - CowboyIndian - 05-09-2018

Meanwhile....Giants pitching is not cloaking itself in glory in Philadelphia.

RE: Giants win again - Phogge - 05-09-2018

In Mays day complete games were commonplace. Relievers much more important in Bonds day than in the 50’s and 60’s. Ruth changed the game. No athlete has walked across the American stage like Ruth and it’s not even close. Jordan? Nooooooooooooooo.

RE: Giants win again - Mick - 05-10-2018

(05-09-2018, 08:20 PM)CornFed Wrote:
(05-09-2018, 07:41 PM)Mick Wrote:
(05-09-2018, 11:41 AM)wallendar Wrote:
(05-09-2018, 06:04 AM)Mick Wrote:
(05-06-2018, 10:12 PM)Phogge Wrote: With all due respect to the poster and to Mays ability but Babe Ruth was the greatest baseball player. I doubt Mays would have made the Hall as a pitcher which Ruth would have if he had stayed on the mound. AAMOF Ruth should have been the #1 on ESPN’s list with Thorpe #2.

+100 being able to pitch and hit at that level is amazing. Ruth is#12 on the all time winningest percentage pitcher list.

Factor in night baseball, additional travel, the color barrier and an overall improvement in the quality of competition and I’ll still take Mays. He was the benchmark by which all five tool players are measured. Note: this takes nothing away from Ruth - he saved baseball following the Black Sox scandal but, IMO, he was not the greatest ball player of all time.

I'll see your night baseball/additional travel/color barrier/overall improvement in the quality of competition and raise you with the benefits Mays received from improved nutrition, improved conditioning, better travel and living conditions, better coaching, better managing, better training and better equipment at a minimum (wonder how many home runs Ruth would have hit without the dead ball and with Mays' 34 ounce bat instead of Ruth's 48 ounce bat). Ruth had 226 fewer strikeouts than Mays, and 598 more walks. Ruth faced legit spitballers his entire career. He swung at balls that were brown from dirt and tobacco. Ruth's OPS was 1.164, Mays' was .941. As for speed, Mays had 140 triples, but Ruth had 136, in about 2,500 more at bats than Mays had. Ruth had more runs scored and more RBIs than Mays, in those 2,500 fewer at bats.

And Ruth could pitch. MAN how he could pitch. Mays -- like most batters -- couldn't pitch a lick. Ruth, by winning percentage, is the 12th most winning pitcher in history. His career WHIP was 1.159. Koufax's was 1.106.

Look, Mays is my favorite Giant, far and away. But Babe Ruth was a physical freak. There's no one who had a similar skill set, to pitch and hit at the very peak of the game.

Didn't pitchers frequently pitch both ends of a double header in Ruth's day? Weren't relief pitchers in general in those days just dross?

Pitching both ends of a doubleheader in substance was a rare thing. There have been plenty of pitchers who got knocked around in the first inning of the first game, then started the second. There have been less than 100 doubleheaders in which the starter threw 15 innings plus. Bobo Newsom did it four times, Joe McGinnity did it three times, Ruth never did it. Technically Ruth started both ends, but only because he lasted just one batter in the first game. The last one was in 1926 by a pitcher named Dutch Levsen, who won both ends. Sports Illustrated wrote an article on it titled "Echoes of an Earlier Day." Even by 1926 it was considered old. Levsen was a rookie and would have arm trouble two years later. The Golden Age of pitchers starting both games of a doubleheader was 1916-1918 with 25 such instances across those three years. Oddly enough, Christy Mathewson never did it, but as a manager he had three separate starters do it in the same season.

I know the 1915 Red Sox carried 11 pitchers. That was Babe's first full year. the entire team hit 14 home runs, Babe hit 4 of them. they threw 81 complete games in 154, but only two of the pitchers started more than 30 games. They had nine separate pitchers start games. Ruth was their #3 starter as a 20 year old, had 28 starts and 16 were complete games. He batted .315 with a .952 OPS. Next highest OPS on the club was .827 (Tris Speaker)