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How Many SEC Football Teams Have Top 10 OOC Schedules - threepointer - 06-08-2018
Wow - this is a brobdingnagian surprise to me.
http://smokeroom.com/2018/06/08/sec-out-of-conference-strength-of-schedule/
The word substitution feature of the Cardboard is a pain in the a** of massive proportions. I know what I want to write and how to structure a sentence with proper grammar. I don't need my posts altered with poor grammar and lame jokes that were old in the 20th century.
I am not going to bother trying to correct my previous post. I am investing all of my energy in this rant.
RE: How Many SEC Football Teams Have Top 10 OOC Schedules - SamuelMcF - 06-08-2018
How are we #7 when our only P5 game is the Domers? Is the rest of the nation's OOC schedule THAT bad?
RE: How Many SEC Football Teams Have Top 10 OOC Schedules - French Rage - 06-08-2018
(06-08-2018, 12:26 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote: How are we #7 when our only P5 game is the Domers? Is the rest of the nation's OOC schedule THAT bad?
SDSU isn't a walkover, and everyone has their UCD game so I guess that cancels out?
RE: How Many SEC Football Teams Have Top 10 OOC Schedules - 2006alum - 06-08-2018
Here's the article that provides the basis for that graphic.
Personally, I don't put a ton of stock in making claims about OOC schedule strength before the season has begun. Sure, the committee should given credit to teams that schedule against historically/recently strong teams even if their seasons don't pan out that way, but for now, we can't be certain whether San Diego State will end up 12-2 or 3-9. And when we scheduled SDS a few years back, they weren't as good as they became last year. So the whole thing feels a little speculative, especially with a sample size of 3.
That said, yes, the SEC always schedules cakewalks and little sisters of the poor for their OOC games. But until they are regularly beaten when it counts (i.e., the playoffs and bowl games), nothing is going to stop them from doing it. They win when it counts, and that rightly affects perceptions more than OOC scheduling. Wasn't the PAC-12 something like 1-8 in bowls last season? I guess I just don't think OOC scheduling matters as much as post-season performance, and the SEC tends to win when it counts.
RE: How Many SEC Football Teams Have Top 10 OOC Schedules - martyup - 06-08-2018
I think historically the Pac-12, except for UCLA, has done better than the SEC in the post season. Last season was an anomaly.
RE: How Many SEC Football Teams Have Top 10 OOC Schedules - 82lsju - 06-08-2018
(06-08-2018, 01:14 PM)French Rage Wrote: So the whole thing feels a little speculative, especially with a sample size of 3.
sample size of 4 in the SEC
for example, Alabama OOC games are
vs Louisville in Orlando FL on 8 Sept
vs Arkansas State on 15 Sept
vs Louisiana-Lafayette on 29 Sept
vs The Citadel on 17 Nov
they have 7 home games, 4 road games and 1 neutral site game.
https://rolltide.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=458
RE: How Many SEC Football Teams Have Top 10 OOC Schedules - CowboyIndian - 06-08-2018
Until the $EC and ACC start scheduling 9 conference games and one fewer high school team I will consider their rankings illegitimate, which means zip, of course, but I sleep well.
RE: How Many SEC Football Teams Have Top 10 OOC Schedules - 2006alum - 06-15-2018
Well, it may be the case that the SEC has zero of the top ten toughest OOC schedules, but when it comes to easiest, the same rankings suggest that the PAC-12 has the first (Oregon) and seventh (Washington St.) easiest OOC schedules in the land, while the SEC's two top-ten entrants come in at ninth easiest (Georgia) and tenth easiest (Alabama). So I guess we just have a lot more variation, for both better and worse. Maybe it's just more galling when the easy SEC OOC schedules belong to the teams that can ride non-undefeated regular seasons into the playoffs.
RE: How Many SEC Football Teams Have Top 10 OOC Schedules - needle - 06-16-2018
(06-15-2018, 11:19 PM)2006alum Wrote: Well, it may be the case that the SEC has zero of the top ten toughest OOC schedules, but when it comes to easiest, the same rankings suggest that the PAC-12 has the first (Oregon) and seventh (Washington St.) easiest OOC schedules in the land, while the SEC's two top-ten entrants come in at ninth easiest (Georgia) and tenth easiest (Alabama). So I guess we just have a lot more variation, for both better and worse. Maybe it's just more galling when the easy SEC OOC schedules belong to the teams that can ride non-undefeated regular seasons into the playoffs.
I was going to defend Alabama, as they have played USC and Fla. State in recent years.
But then I looked at their 2019 sked: Duke, New Mexico State, Southern Miss. and Western Carolina.
RE: How Many SEC Football Teams Have Top 10 OOC Schedules - Mick - 06-30-2018
(06-08-2018, 03:15 PM)martyup Wrote: I think historically the Pac-12, except for UCLA, has done better than the SEC in the post season. Last season was an anomaly.
The Pac-12 teams have played in 276 Bowl games over time. Their record during that time is 142-129-5, per www.sports-reference.com
The SEC has been in 443 bowls, and their record is 247-187-9.
SEC's record vs Pac 12: http://mcubed.net/ncaaf/tvc/sec/pac12.shtml
RE: How Many SEC Football Teams Have Top 10 OOC Schedules - Papa John - 07-03-2018
(06-08-2018, 01:14 PM)French Rage Wrote:(06-08-2018, 12:26 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote: How are we #7 when our only P5 game is the Domers? Is the rest of the nation's OOC schedule THAT bad?
SDSU isn't a walkover, and everyone has their UCD game so I guess that cancels out?
The UCD game came about as a result of the cancellation of the Bill Walsh Legacy Game series, right?
I couldn't find anything about future OOC opponents on gostanford.com, but found the following at http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/pac-10/stanford-cardinal.php:
2019
08/31 - Northwestern
09/14 - at UCF
11/30 - Notre Dame
2020
09/05 - William & Mary
10/10 - at Notre Dame
11/28 - BYU
2021
09/04 - at Kansas State
09/18 - at Vanderbilt
11/27 - Notre Dame
2022
10/15 - at Notre Dame
11/26 - BYU
2023
11/25 - Notre Dame
TBA - at BYU
2024
08/31 - TCU
09/07 - Vanderbilt
10/12 - at Notre Dame
2025
09/06 - at Vanderbilt
09/13 - at BYU
Pretty solid, although I wonder why we scheduled William & Mary in 2020. Another consequence of the now-defunct BWLG? To quote an old song: "One of these things is not like the other..."
RE: How Many SEC Football Teams Have Top 10 OOC Schedules - CTcard - 07-05-2018
(06-08-2018, 01:15 PM)2006alum Wrote: Sure, the committee should given credit to teams that schedule against historically/recently strong teams even if their seasons don't pan out that way,
I would argue that the committee very much should not give credit for "intentional" scheduling.
The issue is to pick the best teams for the playoffs, and for the top bowl games.
The issue is not some kind of moral evaluation of how tough a test a team wanted to have.
It is possible for the best team in the country to go out and play the easiest schedule in the country (at the least they presumably won't play the best team in the country). The problem, of course, is that one typically cannot tell which teams are the best. Managing to win against good teams is a better measure of a team that blowing out also-rans. So, the evaluation of teams with weak records is more difficult, and therefore less clear if they belong at the top.
But the intent to schedule tough games does not aid in the evaluation process, only the actual tough games played.
In addition, the issue isn't really OOC schedule, it is what the total schedule allows for in the evaluation of a team. The focus on OOC is because nominally that is the only component a team can control - but the issue should still be on the reliability of the total evaluation of the team.
The major issue with SEC (and ACC) scheduling is the 8 conference games/4 OOC games. That allows them to schedule one real team and claim "look our OOC scheduling is fine - we played XX." Of course, the at the same time they play 3 scrimmages with automatic victories whereas the same approach by a Big Ten or Pac 12 team only leaves two such automatics - and thus a significantly tougher schedule overall. If the SEC maintained 8 conference games but included a minimum of two Power-5 teams in their OOC games, then much of the concern would vanish.
RE: How Many SEC Football Teams Have Top 10 OOC Schedules - French Rage - 07-05-2018
W&M came about because NW or UVA backed out of some games against us, right?
RE: How Many SEC Football Teams Have Top 10 OOC Schedules - 82lsju - 07-05-2018
(07-05-2018, 01:40 PM)French Rage Wrote:
W&M came about because NW or UVA backed out of some games against us, right?
brobdingnagian worked for Cardinal athletic director Bernard Muir at Delaware and Georgetown, and Muir was among those who recommended her for the William and Mary position. That connection made the game happen.
...
William and Mary is guaranteed $625,000 for the Stanford contest.
http://www.dailypress.com/sports/dp-spt-wm-stanford-football-20171026-story.html
(07-03-2018, 10:09 PM)Papa John Wrote: I couldn't find anything about future OOC opponents on gostanford.com, but found the following at http://www.fbschedules.com/ncaa/pac-10/stanford-cardinal.php:
2019
08/31 - Northwestern
09/14 - at UCF
11/30 - Notre Dame
2020
09/05 - William & Mary
10/10 - at Notre Dame
11/28 - BYU
2021
09/04 - at Kansas State
09/18 - at Vanderbilt
11/27 - Notre Dame
2022
10/15 - at Notre Dame
11/26 - BYU
2023
11/25 - Notre Dame
TBA - at BYU
2024
08/31 - TCU
09/07 - Vanderbilt
10/12 - at Notre Dame
2025
09/06 - at Vanderbilt
09/13 - at BYU
ADDING
2027
09/04 at TCU
09/11 Vanderbilt
2028
09/02 at Boston College
2029
09/15 Boston College
https://gostanford.com/news/2017/10/25/football-william-mary-ahead.aspx?path=football
note the Stanford link does not list the ND game in 2024
Pretty solid, although I wonder why we scheduled William & Mary in 2020. Another consequence of the now-defunct BWLG? To quote an old song: "One of these things is not like the other..."