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ND OSHA fines reduced in videographer death - yvonne - 07-05-2011

Indiana's OSHA has reduced the fines ND must pay for the safety violations involved in Declan Sullivan's death.  The USB must pay $42,000 for a serious violation, down from $77,500 for knowingly putting its employees at risk.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6729161&campaign=rss&source=NCFHeadlines

An alumni and subway alumni networks never hurt - Redrum - 07-05-2011

or is that just petty of me?  Actually,  I can't feel any outrage about  the effects of  ND's aura.  It just IS.  Like tornadoes and sunburn leading to skin cancer.  Too bad they didn't set up shop in California. 

Re: ND OSHA fines reduced in videographer death - Leftcoast - 07-05-2011

Quote:Too bad they didn't set up shop in California.  - Redrum

Huh?  You want Notre Dame in California with all their arrogance, bluster, sense of entitlement and over-the-top fans? 

That slot is already filled by USC.

I heard a story this weekend of Alameda distillery - Redrum - 07-05-2011

that in the process of producing wasabi vodka,  produced mustard gas.  Surprise all around but nobody harmed.  Had to pay fine.

Can you imagine what brimstone would fall from the sky in California if an employee of a school was ordered aloft in high winds and died like Declan Sullivan?

I was just in Minneapolis... - Mick - 07-08-2011

(07-05-2011, 03:00 PM)Leftcoast link Wrote:
Quote:Too bad they didn't set up shop in California.  - Redrum

Huh?  You want the University of South Bend in California with all their arrogance, bluster, sense of entitlement and over-the-top fans? 

That slot is already filled by the University of Spoiled Children.

...for a volleyball tournament with significant representation from teams of the Midwest.  Many of them stayed at our hotel (Hilton in downtown versus the Marquette Hilton where I had quite literally the worst hotel stay of my lifetime).  I probably saw two dozen Notre Dame football shirts of various types and I engaged in conversation with 1/2 dozen of them.

Want to guess how many attended Notre Dame?  I'll give you a hint...if you say "1" you're high...  Good for them, though, they have a team to root for.  And every one of them, universally, is laaaaaaaaaaaaaughing at USC's trials and travails.  It's interesting to me how much the two of them have in common.

Re: ND OSHA fines reduced in videographer death - jacketree - 07-08-2011

I really doubt Dome mystique has much sway over OSHA officials, judging from OSHA officials I've known.  Also I have to say that all of my interactions with Notre Dame alumni have been very pleasant. They (the university, not the alumni) sent my son a lot of literature. They didn't make his "short" (any kid applying to fewer than ten schools is probably screwed these days) list, but it wouldn't have bothered me if they did.

Re: ND OSHA fines reduced in videographer death - Mick - 07-08-2011

(07-08-2011, 02:53 PM)jacketree link Wrote:I really doubt Dome mystique has much sway over OSHA officials, judging from OSHA officials I've known.  Also I have to say that all of my interactions with the University of South Bend alumni have been very pleasant. They (the university, not the alumni) sent my son a lot of literature. They didn't make his "short" (any kid applying to fewer than ten schools is probably screwed these days) list, but it wouldn't have bothered me if they did.

I'm always curious as to where kids will apply these days, their reasoning and their thought processes, given that I have a son who recently went through the process and another son who will go through it in a few years.

Back in the Stone Age, I applied to two schools.  My thought process was: Apply to Stanford and Santa Clara.  Don't apply to the UC system because the fee was fifty ($50) dollars!  Yikes! Got into Santa Clara, didn't get into Stanford.  Go to SCU.  Pretty cut and dried.

My kid on the other hand, had a process that went like this:

1)  Consider academically-inclined schools with Econ departments that played reasonably high level volleyball and recruited him and where it was likely he would make the team:  Harvard, Princeton, UC San Diego.

2)  Consider academically-inclined schools that played varsity volleyball and were acceptable to him, where either it was (a) unlikely he would make the team (UCLA, Stanford) or (b) he found boring as all get-out (MIT) or © too esoteric (NYU).

3)  Consider the myriad of UC options: high level volleyball/good academics: UC Irvine, UC Santa Barbara.  Club-level volleyball, great academics: UC East Bay.  Club level volleyball, decent academics: UC Davis, Cal Poly SLO (CSU, I know) UC Santa Cruz (technically DIII but more like a really good club team).  Lots of pros and cons. 

4)  Briefly consider and reject all vb-recruiting colleges that didn't fall into one of the prior three categories (about a dozen).

5)  Would not consider USC.  Period.  End of Story.  Did not apply there.

6)  Rejected with prejudice all schools in Northern California ("Okay, Dad, I'll apply to Kal, but I will only go there if I literally don't get into any other school I apply to"), schools with STDs named after them (seriously), schools that had nonexistent social scenes, schools known chiefly for engineering.  Incidentally, the kid wasn't anti-Kal, he just wanted to get out of Northern California.

7)  Would have been last guy on the bench at Stanford and would have spent twice as much time playing volleyball at any MPSF school (Stanford, UCs) than the EIVA schools (Harvard, Princeton). 

8)  Harvard coach reserved letters of intent for middles.  Wanted him, but would not guarantee admission.  The coach had only two guarantees per year, but stated he had influence over the process.  Sure enough, at least six players were admitted to Harvard that year.  The Princeton coach really wanted/needed an outside hitter (my son's position) and offered a "likely" letter, which is the Ivy version of a letter of intent.  Very interesting letter...signed by the Director of Admissions, it essentially states that if you keep your grades up, don't drop any classes and don't commit a felony, you're in.  My wife argued that it couldn't possibly be the likely letter because it was so casually written.  So, she stressed from October (when we received it) until April (when we received the formal letter of admission).

9)  Son was accepted to all UCs.  Decided that if something happened with Princeton, UCLA would be his first school of choice.  Had a great tour there.

10)  Ultimately did not apply to Stanford despite Dad's exhortations, despite 1/2 dozen Stanford alums in immediate family.  Has stated a desire to attend grad school there, though.

Re: ND OSHA fines reduced in videographer death - jacketree - 07-08-2011

Mick -

The short list as it stands on the cusp of senior year:

1. US Naval Academy.  He's getting ready to send in his congressional nomination packages. Last month he spent a week in Annapolis at their summer seminar. Loved it and he passed the CFA with flying colors. Great score - maxed out on three tests and ran a 5:40 mile at the end in what he called 'air molasses'.  To those of us versed in East Coast weather, that would be 'humidity'. Liked system engineering, ME, or naval arch. Of course this is uber competitive.

2. US Coast Guard Academy. Nice visit in New London and I guess there is something about boats that floats his. He'll spend some time at the Alameda CG Station this summer. Also has naval arch and ME, but could do CE there. (He's working for me this summer and seems to have a good basic aptitude for figuring out how to move dirt and water around.) He could possibly pitch for them. (Lefty with some dirty stuff, albeit not particularly flame thrown.) Also uber competitive, but a nomination is not required. They (admissions officers, cadets) were universally cool when we visited a month ago.

3. US Air Force Academy. Lovingly referred to by the Midshipmen he trained under as the "Chair Force". Still, planes, missiles and stuff. He is going to wear out the welcome of some of his references. Already has the game day polo. Ready to roll.

4. Boston University. NROTC or AFROTC on campus. Great visit. Right by Fenway and they have something like five stops on the  T. Loved Boston. Pulled some hot NROTC coed email and number at lunch, so that may be it more than anything.  We watched the Bruins clinch in a Beacon Hill Pub. Interesting evening to say the least. Good ME program. Their NROTC consortium with BC is well regarded.

5. Worcester Poly. NROTC at Holy Cross or AFROTC on campus. Probably his favorite school, but the slight edge to BU because Worcester just isn't Boston. Although his Sharks jersey would fit in there. (Minor league farm team.)

6. George Washington. NROTC. Really liked DC and Foggy Bottom.

7. Marquette. NROTC. Good Jesuit Engineering.  Not so sure about Milwaukee. Kinda fallbackish. Also might be some Jesuit money through his HS connection independent of ROTC.

8. UCSD. NROTC (at USD). They make you list a state school on the ROTC application.  So Berkeley, UCLA or San Diego?

9. U of Portland. Sister's school. AFROTC is good there. I kind of like their small engineering program and I like Portland. But going to school with his sister?  This is probably the safety school. They'll give him whatever money ROTC won't.

10. UC East Bay Poly.  A great engineering school and there are worse places than SLO. Only have Army ROTC and he really wants to get out on the sea or in the air. But we could almost afford this without aid (there won't be any)

11. If there is a problem on DoDMERB and/or a favorite short listed school has no money, Loyola (Md), Regis (CO), and U Chicago have been all over him, including phone calls to the house. Unfortunately they really don't have engineering and the thought of studying math or physics on a 3/2 isn't so appealing.  (The /2 seems to be the University of Spoiled Children or Washington STL.)

Recently tossed to the curb, although I suppose subject to resurrection: UW, Lehigh, Villanova, West Point.  It doesn't cost money to apply to a service academy, but we are looking at a cool grand here, or close.

He is hyper-focused on becoming a naval officer some way, some how.  NROTC calls him often and they have him on some fast-track process, so he should know if he has a scholarship in early Sept. I think the Coast Guard would be cool, but he's driving the bus. Or ship.

What a great lineup of choi - Mick - 07-09-2011

I have next to no experience with the service acadamies, though one of my son's teammates ended up at West Point and loved it.  He was the type of young man absolutely built for that experience, and it sounds like your son is as well. 

My brother in law was ROTC at Stanford and ended up flying jets in the Marines.  Loved the experience.  Best of luck to your son, and please let me know where he docks!

What a treat. Thanks Mick, thanks jacketree - Redrum - 07-09-2011

I LOVE these posts.  I went through the choice process with two kids, now both graduated.  Done.  No personal stake.  But I'm addicted to the whole process.  Keep poking my nose into any conversation when college choices are under discussion.  Then, I keep checking in to see how the process is going.  Might be building a creepy-stalker reputation,  but,  like I said,  I'm an addict  Luckily, most of the kids don't seem too annoyed.  More taken aback that a neighbor or friend of their parents would care.  It is, usually, the single most optimistic time in these kid's lives,  full of possibility and hints of who these kids will become.  Who wouldn't want to steal a little more time in that land,  even if you are feeding off the dreams of others?  So now,  you are on The List.

RE the choices:

Mick:  "Would not consider the University of Spoiled Children.  Period.  End of Story.  Did not apply there"

Now you have proof,  even if he goes on to become a mass murderer,  that at least you raised him right.

jacketree:
I'm so jealous of his ocean-oriented options.  All through my early schooling all I wanted to do in life was to go to the USNA.  Dreamed, ate, played  the U.S. Navy.  By the time HS rolled around it was clear my Mr. Magoo vision had trumped all that.  So I settled for Stanford. (rim shot).  Although they are less well funded,  the Coast Guard is probably one of the most satisfying services in which to have a career...if you like the work one does on a daily basis.  I'd choose either one in a heartbeat if I had to do it all over again.  I'm envious of any Navy or Coast Guard guy who gets to go to sea and get paid.

Thanks for sharing and update us immediately on each and every development,  no matter how trivial.  Really.  I mean it.  Don't you dare take your eye off the ball.  People are depending on you.

Re: ND OSHA fines reduced in videographer death - yvonne - 07-09-2011

My oldest nephew isn't going to college, but plans to go into the Navy in the fall. Originally, he looked at going into the Air Force, like both his grandfathers did, but I'm kind of glad he's looking at the Navy, sort of being his own man.

Re: ND OSHA fines reduced in videographer death - Robbie - 07-11-2011

My oldest just went through the process. She wanted to be in a big city. Barnard was her first choice (good school in the biggest of cities with a small college feel) - applied early, got in - she's very happy. We'll see if she likes New York as much as she hopes she will.

What were her other candidates? - Redrum - 07-11-2011

I warned you.  Addicts will do anything for a fix.

In non-argumentative discussion,  I am always surprised when kids prefer a big urban setting for college.  I mean,  I understand the allure of an entertainment and culturally-rich environment.    It's just that having lived and later worked in Los Angeles and done my stint working in New York City,  I just don't get the allure.    I think maybe it's urban canyons,  sprawling out,  and no place to go other than out into the beehive when change of scene is needed.  Solitude even harder to find.  But,  I know, it's just me.  Got lucky with Stanford.  It suited my sense of place.

Re: ND OSHA fines reduced in videographer death - Robbie - 07-11-2011

I agree with you. I found the Stanford environment very conducive to community and to study. Having campus at least a bit disconnected from the rest of the world seemed like a good thing.

But when I think back to when I applied to college every other school that I applied to was in an urban environment. (As long as you consider Berkeley urban. And I think you should.) Where I went to graduate school was urban. So my preferences seem to line up with hers.

And we live in Seattle and she went to a public high school, so she's not coming from the boondocks, exactly. I think she knows what she's getting into.

Hadn't seen NYC, but knew what "urban' was - Redrum - 07-11-2011

Grew up in LA basin.  Had been to the Coliseum and the USC campus...and the neighborhood they were in.  That was "urban" enough for me.  What a crap hole.  Also, the Watts riots < 2 yrs. previous.  Oddly,  not that turned off by Berkeley.  Maybe the topography,  the Bay views and hills buffered the shock.  Dodged that bullet, though.Â