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OT Hey Bobbbbbbb - Phogge - 04-18-2019

Tyler Beede at Sacto: 12.2inn, 22k.

RE: OT Hey Bobbbbbbb - BobK - 04-18-2019

Wow awesome thanks. That’s quite a turnaround from his past.

RE: OT Hey Bobbbbbbb - Mick - 04-21-2019

Evidence that Farhan is doing a good job.  Last year, all of the SF Giants’ minor league teams finished last in their league except their rookie team.

Here’s an update on the SF Giants’ minor league teams:

1)     The Sacramento Grizzlies are second in their league and 8-8.
2)     The Richmond Flying Squirrels are 4th of 6 and 7-7.
3)     The San Jose Giants are 3rd of 4 (and 7th of 8) in the California league and are 7-10.  Ramos is batting .241, but is 7th in the league in OPS with .927.
4)     Augusta Green Jackets are 2nd of 7 with an 8-7 record.
5)     Salem-Kaiser Volcanoes and the Arizona Giants fall league haven’t started yet.

RE: OT Hey Bobbbbbbb - BobK - 04-21-2019

The old GM: the CFer for Pittsburgh Reynolds was traded for McCutchen last season

Great news on the minors. Thus far

RE: OT Hey Bobbbbbbb - qwerty49 - 04-21-2019

(04-21-2019, 12:57 PM)Mick Wrote:  Evidence that Farhan is doing a good job.  Last year, all of the SF Giants’ minor league teams finished last in their league except their rookie team.

Here’s an update on the SF Giants’ minor league teams:

1)     The Sacramento Grizzlies are second in their league and 8-8.
2)     The Richmond Flying Squirrels are 4th of 6 and 7-7.
3)     The San Jose Giants are 3rd of 4 (and 7th of 8) in the California league and are 7-10.  Ramos is batting .241, but is 7th in the league in OPS with .927.
4)     Augusta Green Jackets are 2nd of 7 with an 8-7 record.
5)     Salem-Kaiser Volcanoes and the Arizona Giants fall league haven’t started yet.

Well, I think the improvements are due more to having accumulated a lot of older 4A players than necessarily spotting young talent.  We now have guys like Slater and Williamson and Opening Day starter Michael Reed in the minors.

RE: OT Hey Bobbbbbbb - Mick - 04-22-2019

(04-21-2019, 04:18 PM)qwerty49 Wrote:  
(04-21-2019, 12:57 PM)Mick Wrote:  Evidence that Farhan is doing a good job.  Last year, all of the SF Giants’ minor league teams finished last in their league except their rookie team.

Here’s an update on the SF Giants’ minor league teams:

1)     The Sacramento Grizzlies are second in their league and 8-8.
2)     The Richmond Flying Squirrels are 4th of 6 and 7-7.
3)     The San Jose Giants are 3rd of 4 (and 7th of 8) in the California league and are 7-10.  Ramos is batting .241, but is 7th in the league in OPS with .927.
4)     Augusta Green Jackets are 2nd of 7 with an 8-7 record.
5)     Salem-Kaiser Volcanoes and the Arizona Giants fall league haven’t started yet.

Well, I think the improvements are due more to having accumulated a lot of older 4A players than necessarily spotting young talent.  We now have guys like Slater and Williamson and Opening Day starter Michael Reed in the minors.

Agreed, but it's more the pitching than the hitting.  It's Beede, Blach, Okert, Suarez, Anderson, Venditte.

lex24 - lex24 - 04-22-2019

Building from the bottom up. July is going to be interesting. Smith. Dyson. Watson. All will almost certainly be traded. Bum probably. The only qualifier is I’m uncertain how much he brings. Starting pitchers nearing 30 are not going to be getting the large contracts anymore. And as starting pitching has been somewhat devalued by the math guys that now run the game, who knows what they get in return. He’s somewhat of a special case as his post season record is off the charts. So that may increase his value. But the math guys don’t believe in such things as “clutch”. So who knows. If I’m not offered at least a top flight prospect, I keep him and sign him. Cueto comes back next year. That can still be an effective top of the rotation.

Position players - Crawford and Belt may have some value. That will depend on the needs of the teams in contention. Anyone that can pick it at SS like Crawford has some value. And in a smaller park with some hitters around him he will put up better numbers. Same with Belt. Although first base has a lot is good sticks.

Do they trade Moronta? He may be the most valuable chip they have if he stays healthy and keeps striking out people at a prolific rate. Electric stuff.

On another front - Williamson is beginning to hit. I’d call him up immediately and start him in left or right against left handed pitching. Sandoval goes. He adds nothing.

RE: OT Hey Bobbbbbbb - BostonCard - 04-22-2019

I wonder if the math goes out the window when you are the GM for a contender and think this is your shot at winning the World Series, because at that point, concepts like “wins above replacement” are less relevant; you are just fine-tuning your team for a specific task (winning four games out of seven).

On the other side, what is the point in re-signing Bumgartner if over the contract length it is unlikely that he will have another chance to be “clutch”.

BC

RE: lex24 - Mick - 04-23-2019

(04-22-2019, 10:23 PM)lex24 Wrote:  Building from the bottom up.  July is going to be interesting. Smith. Dyson. Watson. All will almost certainly be traded. Bum probably.  The only qualifier is I’m uncertain how much he brings. Starting pitchers nearing 30 are not going to be getting the large contracts anymore. And as starting pitching has been somewhat devalued by the math guys  that now run the game, who knows what they get in return. He’s somewhat of a special case as his post season record is off the charts. So that may increase his value. But the math guys don’t believe in such things as “clutch”. So who knows. If I’m not offered at least a top flight prospect, I keep him and sign him.  Cueto comes back next year. That can still be an effective top of the rotation.

Position players - Crawford and Belt may have some value. That will depend on the needs of the teams in contention. Anyone that can pick it at SS like Crawford has some value. And in a smaller park with some hitters around him he will put up better numbers. Same with Belt. Although first base has a lot is good sticks.

Do they trade Moronta?  He may be the most valuable chip they have if he stays healthy and keeps striking out people at a prolific rate. Electric stuff.

On another front - Williamson is beginning to hit. I’d call him up immediately and start him in left or right against left handed pitching.  Sandoval goes. He adds nothing.

Williamson is 9 of his last 21 with two HRs, five runs scored and eight RBIs. I'd bring him up ASAP.

I wouldn't be too quick to move Sandoval. He leads the team in average at .286. He has eight hits, seven of them doubles. His OPS is 1.000, .208 past Brandon Belt, the next position player in OPS. He does have two errors in 10 chances, though.

Slick-fielding Crawford has one error in 89 chances. He's 22nd in MLB in hitting, but that's up from a recent 28th. Belt is 15th in OPS, may be some value there.

RE: OT Hey Bobbbbbbb - qwerty49 - 05-03-2019

Beede started tonight and had one of the worst lines I’ve ever seen in a box score. 

2.1 IP, 7H, 8ER, 2BB, 3K, 1WP in 65 pitches.

And I confess I’ve never heard of the guy who started in LF, Gerber.

Ouch. On track for 64 wins this year.

RE: OT Hey Bobbbbbbb - OutsiderFan - 05-03-2019

It is quite a bitter pill to see Beede get blasted after he had pitched so well in Spring and Sac. He seems like the consumate team player and a guy you want to succeed because he has worked so hard to get better. Hopefully this is one bad start and he'll return to his earlier form this season.

RE: OT Hey Bobbbbbbb - OutsiderFan - 05-03-2019

But how cool for the Giants to tie the game at 11 so Beede gets a no decision instead of the L!

RE: OT Hey Bobbbbbbb - BobK - 05-03-2019

And the giants win 12-11

RE: OT Hey Bobbbbbbb - Phogge - 05-03-2019

A few untouchables... Moronta, Duggar, Rodriquez. Nobody is going to give the Giants their #1 prospect for anyone on the roster. Finally admit to a rebuild and scout every contenders’ farm to ferret out some #3’s.

RE: OT Hey Bobbbbbbb - Mick - 05-04-2019

(05-03-2019, 10:34 PM)Phogge Wrote:  A few untouchables... Moronta, Duggar, Rodriquez. Nobody is going to give the Giants their #1 prospect for anyone on the roster. Finally admit to a rebuild and scout every contenders’ farm to ferret out some #3’s.

Great game last night.  Stephen Vogt (former two-time all-star catcher with the A's) went 3 for 3 with a game-tying ninth inning homer and a double.  Longoria hit the game-winner.  Panik hit an HR.  Longoria and Duggar had three hits, Crawford had two hits.  Beede pitched terribly, but the other pitchers were all pretty good.  Moronta struck out the side.

The Giants came back from eight runs down for the fifth time in their history.  The other four times (1947, twice in 1970, 1989) they were dominated by run-scoring machines.  The 1970 and 1947 teams scored well over 800 runs.  The 1989 NL Pennant winning team scored 699.  Wonder how many the Giants score THIS year?

RE: OT Hey Bobbbbbbb - OutsiderFan - 05-04-2019

The 5th 8-run come back in franchise history, and I was equally surprised to see all such comebacks have come on the road.  You would think that's more of a home team thing to do.

I read the McCovey Chronicles re-cap of the game and was heartened to see Beede didn't pitch nearly as poorly as the runs allowed indicate.  he was consistently throwing 95+, the Reds didn't hit him very hard, and on of the HRs he allowed was apparently an out in every other stadium.

If the Giants are as into numbers these days as it seems they are I don't think Beede gets sent down to Sac just because of this really odd outing. He really deserves another start before considering that option, IMO.

RE: OT Hey Bobbbbbbb - BobK - 05-04-2019

Another great Giant comeback

RE: OT Hey Bobbbbbbb - qwerty49 - 05-04-2019

(05-03-2019, 06:46 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:  It is quite a bitter pill to see Beede get blasted after he had pitched so well in Spring and Sac. He seems like the consumate team player and a guy you want to succeed because he has worked so hard to get better. Hopefully this is one bad start and he'll return to his earlier form this season.

Quick hook.  They optioned Beede back down today and called up Pat Venditte.

This time it was Rodriguez who gave up 8 ER, albeit in 5 innings.

RE: OT Hey Bobbbbbbb - Phogge - 05-04-2019

Giants are like County Lockup in San Bruno, a revolving door.

RE: OT Hey Bobbbbbbb - Mick - 05-05-2019

(05-04-2019, 09:03 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:  The 5th 8-run come back in franchise history, and I was equally surprised to see all such comebacks have come on the road.  You would think that's more of a home team thing to do.

Maybe, but it was very hard to score runs at Candlestink and harder to score runs at AT&T; whereas it's easy to score at the bandbox in Cincinnati.