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Capital One Cup Standings - bnarver - 05-22-2019

Standings as of May 15:
Women
1.  Stanford           148 points
2.  Florida St.          68
3.  Baylor                66
4.  UCLA                 58
5.  N. Carolina         56

Men
1.  N. Dakota St.     62 points
2.  Virginia             61 
3.  Clemson            60
     Maryland           60
5.  Stanford            59

Stanford women have their side locked up.

The men's side looks like a battle except that the lacrosse championship will boost someone up the ranks.  N. Dakota St., that perennial athletic powerhouse, got their points by winning the FCS football title and getting 9th place in indoor track and field.  Virginia won basketball and has a 10th place in swimming.  Clemson won the FBS football title; Maryland won soccer.  Stanford only won gymnastics, got second in water polo, tied for 4th place in indoor track and field, 5th places in cross country and soccer, and 9th place in soccer (This one might not count since the Capital One Cup only recognized the top 10 and 9th place is really 9-16).  Obviously Stanford is not as good as the 4 schools ahead of them.

I'm pulling for Yale in lacrosse.  If they win, they go from their current 2 points to 62.  It won't necessarily put them in first, depending on how the other 3 teams in the semis do, but it will put one more team ahead of Stanford to show how ludicrous this scoring system really is.

RE: Capital One Cup Standings - Canalejas - 05-23-2019

Yeah, the scoring system used for the Capital One Cup is... interesting.  

There are 2 categories of sports, Group A and Group B.  Each sport in Group B is worth three times as many points as the Group A sports.  Somehow Lacrosse made it into Group B.  

Here's a look at the two groups for men's sports, and how many schools sponsor each sport at the top level, whether that's Division I or National Collegiate:  

Group A

Cross Country, 316
Golf, 299
Outdoor Track & Field, 289
Indoor Track & Field, 269
Tennis, 251
Swimming & Diving, 131
Wrestling, 75
Ice Hockey, 67
Water Polo, 49
Volleyball, 46
Fencing, 34
Skiing, 32
Rifle, 23
Gymnastics, 16


Group B (treble points)

Basketball, 351
Baseball, 297
Soccer, 205
Football (FBS,) 130
Football (FCS,) 125
Lacrosse, 73  

Looking beyond the "revenue" sports, it seems strange to me that Lacrosse would get that 3x multiplier when sports like Golf and Tennis do not.

RE: Capital One Cup Standings - Leftcoast - 05-23-2019

Lacrosse!  Yeah, that makes sense.

The Anyone But Stanford cup meets its goal in men’s sports but this year and in many others the Stanford Women are just too strong even when measured against this nonsensical scoring system.

RE: Capital One Cup Standings - BostonCard - 05-23-2019

Worth noting that we won it on the men’s side last year and three years ago.

How the women failed to win it three years goes to show how f’d up the scoring system is.

BC

RE: Capital One Cup Standings - StanfordMatt - 05-23-2019

(05-23-2019, 01:36 AM)Leftcoast Wrote:  Lacrosse!  Yeah, that makes sense.

It actually makes a lot of sense. The Capital One Cup is an ESPN creation and ESPN broadcasts a lot more lacrosse relative to other non-revenue sports.

RE: Capital One Cup Standings - M T - 05-23-2019

(05-23-2019, 07:16 AM)StanfordMatt Wrote:  
(05-23-2019, 01:36 AM)Leftcoast Wrote:  Lacrosse!  Yeah, that makes sense.

It actually makes a lot of sense. The Capital One Cup is an ESPN creation and ESPN broadcasts a lot more lacrosse relative to other non-revenue sports.

Maybe Stanford ought to opt out of this TV-network & commercial-company-pushed abomination.   Stanford could simply say that the COC configured the scoring system to weight sports for their own financial gain and wants no part of it unless and until it represents all sports fairly.   By not showing up at their awards, Stanford will perhaps forever stop this and any future commercially motivated schemes of this sort.  At their awards commercial ceremony, the COC will likely have to explain why Stanford declined the award, and justify their scoring system.  Or fold up their tent.

Of course, much of this could apply to the Ty-D bowl games, and to a lesser extent, the Director's Cup.   But maybe it would be good to take a stance now, before the Director's Cup treats the sports more unequally.

RE: Capital One Cup Standings - bnarver - 05-23-2019

(05-23-2019, 11:33 AM)M T Wrote:  
(05-23-2019, 07:16 AM)StanfordMatt Wrote:  
(05-23-2019, 01:36 AM)Leftcoast Wrote:  Lacrosse!  Yeah, that makes sense.

It actually makes a lot of sense. The Capital One Cup is an ESPN creation and ESPN broadcasts a lot more lacrosse relative to other non-revenue sports.

Maybe Stanford ought to opt out of this TV-network & commercial-company-pushed abomination.   Stanford could simply say that the COC configured the scoring system to weight sports for their own financial gain and wants no part of it unless and until it represents all sports fairly.   By not showing up at their awards, Stanford will perhaps forever stop this and any future commercially motivated schemes of this sort.  At their awards commercial ceremony, the COC will likely have to explain why Stanford declined the award, and justify their scoring system.  Or fold up their tent.

Of course, much of this could apply to the Ty-D bowl games, and to a lesser extent, the Director's Cup.   But maybe it would be good to take a stance now, before the Director's Cup treats the sports more unequally.

For 2 years, 2004-5 and 2005-6, NACDA did score a few sports at half the full points.  So schools only got 50 points for winning these sports.  Sports that were sponsored by less than 25% of the Division 1 schools were subjected to this reduction.  Among these sports were …….....wait for it …………. men's and women's lacrosse.  NACDA heard from a number of schools about how discriminatory this was, and they switched back to treating every sport equally.

RE: Capital One Cup Standings - martyup - 05-24-2019

The handling of Lacrosse by these 2 awards is solid proof of the gerrymandering-like attempt to predetermine the outcome.  I can't help but believe that if the perennial winner was Michigan, Ohio State, ND, Florida, Alabama, USC, or UCLA there would be no such tuning of the rules.  Those schools would fit the mold for the best athletic program in the NCAA.  Stanford is too small, too academic, and too cool.

RE: Capital One Cup Standings - Canalejas - 05-27-2019

Virginia won men’s lacrosse today, so another 60 points to them.

RE: Capital One Cup Standings - Canalejas - 06-07-2019

The Capital One Cup standings were updated a few days ago.  Adding the results from men's track we're looking at the following men's top 10:  

127 Virginia
85 Stanford
75 Maryland
62 Clemson
62 North Dakota State
61 Penn State
61 Texas Tech
60 Florida
58.5 Ohio State
54 Michigan State


With baseball being the only remaining men's sport, only Stanford can displace Virginia atop the standings.  But only winning a championship will do that.  Even a runner-up finish would leave Stanford 6 points shy of UVA.

ca245 - ca245 - 06-08-2019

So if MBB and MLax were not triple point sports, UVA would have a measly 47 points?

RE: Capital One Cup Standings - Phogge - 06-10-2019

ESPN has the US public, especially testosterone fueled young men, by the gonads. It is Disney, so inherently non-union. Among professionals it is the Extremely Slow Paying Network. It may not be right always but it is never wrong. Some of the correspondents are harder to work with than Steve Kraft, and that is saying something. Everybody on broadcast shills for their content and sponsors but they do it the hardest.

RE: Capital One Cup Standings - Bruce Wang - 06-10-2019

The solution here is obvious.  Add Men's Lacrosse.  It is the fastest growing team sport in America and a sport of the future.  I've never played the game and have only admired it from afar until recently.  We got our 8 year old to play the sport and she's taken to it.  I'm even learning to catch and throw the ball with her.

RE: Capital One Cup Standings - M T - 06-10-2019

(06-10-2019, 10:45 AM)Publius Wrote:  The solution here is obvious.  Add Men's Lacrosse.  It is the fastest growing team sport in America and a sport of the future.  I've never played the game and have only admired it from afar until recently.  We got our 8 year old to play the sport and she's taken to it.  I'm even learning to catch and throw the ball with her.

What, are you trying to get them to give triple points for ice hockey and rifle?  Maybe that's what would happen if Stanford took on yet another sport.

Hmm.... I would expect, as a team sport, the e-sports are much faster growing than lacrosse.  Possibly before lacrosse makes it to the Olympics as even a demonstration sport, ESPN will dump it in favor of e-sports, so e-sports will get the triple points in this crassly commercial advertisement.  It wouldn't even have to be an NCAA sport.

I'm not knocking lacrosse as a physical sport, just questioning the motive behind its bias in this "award".

RE: Capital One Cup Standings - CTcard - 06-11-2019

(06-10-2019, 11:39 AM)M T Wrote:  
(06-10-2019, 10:45 AM)Publius Wrote:  The solution here is obvious.  Add Men's Lacrosse.  It is the fastest growing team sport in America and a sport of the future. 

Hmm.... I would expect, as a team sport, the e-sports are much faster growing than lacrosse.  

A quick check of the always reliable internet shows that each of the following is the fastest growing sport in America:
rugby
lacrosse
e-sports (is that just one sport?)
pickle ball
field hockey
cheerleading
poker

(that's not an exhaustive list)

RE: Capital One Cup Standings - qwerty49 - 06-13-2019

(06-11-2019, 11:38 AM)CTcard Wrote:  
(06-10-2019, 11:39 AM)M T Wrote:  
(06-10-2019, 10:45 AM)Publius Wrote:  The solution here is obvious.  Add Men's Lacrosse.  It is the fastest growing team sport in America and a sport of the future. 

Hmm.... I would expect, as a team sport, the e-sports are much faster growing than lacrosse.  

A quick check of the always reliable internet shows that each of the following is the fastest growing sport in America:
rugby
lacrosse
e-sports (is that just one sport?)
pickle ball
field hockey
cheerleading
poker

(that's not an exhaustive list)

What's it like riding the bench on the poker team?  Do you just sit back and order drinks?

RE: Capital One Cup Standings - CTcard - 06-13-2019

(06-13-2019, 05:26 AM)qwerty49 Wrote:  What's it like riding the bench on the poker team?  Do you just sit back and order drinks?

I think that's what the starters do.

Maybe the benchers have to serve.

Leftcoast - Leftcoast - 06-18-2019

Lacrosse must be GINORMOUS by now.  

It’s been the next big thing since I was at Stanford and I attended in the early Pliocene era. And, as everyone knows, the Pliocene follows the Miocene Epoch and is followed by the Pleistocene Epoch.

RE: Capital One Cup Standings - Phogge - 06-18-2019

Way more people attend casino arena jousting than attend pro lacrosse games. I’d rather watch Jai Alai.

RE: Capital One Cup Standings - BostonCard - 06-26-2019

(06-18-2019, 05:52 PM)Phogge Wrote:  Way more people attend casino arena jousting than attend pro lacrosse games. I’d rather watch Jai Alai.

Speaking of pro lacrosse games...

https://www.theringer.com/sports/2019/6/25/18715305/premier-lacrosse-league-paul-rabil-nbc

Be interesting to see what, if anything comes of the new league

BC