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Sockpuppet Chip Brown: no more Stanford v ND on thanksgiving? - Canalejas - 08-25-2011

http://twitter.com/#!/ChipBrownOB/status/106829154695131137 

Quote:Sources tell Orangebloods.com Texas would seek to replace #TAMU with Notre Dame on Thanksgiving night if Aggies leave #Big12. #hookem
 

So UT is threatening to replace their annual thanksgiving game against A&M with the University of South Bend.  I wonder if the UT administrators feeding him lines bothered to consider the USC/Stanford games South Bend schedules on those weeks.

I think that would make a lot of Stanford fans happy - JohnR34231 - 08-25-2011

I used to see incessant complaining on the Bootboard about having to play ND in Thanksgiving weekend.

Re: Sockpuppet Chip Brown: no more Stanford v ND on thanksgiving? - washingtonismoney - 08-25-2011

Notre Dame and Texas are made for each other. Two fanbases that think they're the sh*t (and that it doesn't stink); only one of them is even close to reasonable about it. Good riddance, if it happens.

Re: Sockpuppet Chip Brown: no more Stanford v ND on thanksgiving? - oman - 08-25-2011

Texas v ND is bigger than UT v. ATM, so no harm in Texas trying for that.

And UT v. ND on Thanksgiving day would be a bigger deal than ND v. SoCal on the weekend.

(And have to agree with another poster on another thread.  The whole University of Spoiled Children, U-South Bend, 59ers stuff is kind of tapped out, no?  Or at least deserving of more controlled use and/or software modification.  Very Aggie-ish, as some might say.)



Re: Sockpuppet Chip Brown: no more Stanford v ND on thanksgiving? - yvonne - 08-25-2011

Kathy?

Re: Sockpuppet Chip Brown: no more Stanford v ND on thanksgiving? - pefloresjr - 08-25-2011

There is no way Notre Dame would agree to play Texas every Thanksgiving.  The only reason they agreed to the SC - Stanford combo is that they figured the Stanford game as a near sure win.  Their three games a year against teams with built in disatvantages in recruiting (two academies and Stanford) are part of their plan to get to bowl games they aren't good enough to be in.  Texas is known for big talk, but big talk does not make it true.  I don't particularly care if we keep the ND game, but I do like the exposure we get from playing the Domers with all of their national following.  Also, ALL of the Domer alums I know are bummed that they renewed with Stanford because Stanford is good now. 

Cheers,
Pete F. 

Re: Sockpuppet Chip Brown: no more Stanford v ND on thanksgiving? - oman - 08-25-2011

(08-25-2011, 10:08 PM)pefloresjr link Wrote:There is no way the University of South Bend would agree to play Texas every Thanksgiving.  The only reason they agreed to the SC - Stanford combo is that they figured the Stanford game as a near sure win.  Their three games a year against teams with built in disatvantages in recruiting (two academies and Stanford) are part of their plan to get to bowl games they aren't good enough to be in.  Texas is known for big talk, but big talk does not make it true.  I don't particularly care if we keep the ND game, but I do like the exposure we get from playing the Domers with all of their national following.  Also, ALL of the Domer alums I know are bummed that they renewed with Stanford because Stanford is good now. 

Cheers,
Pete F.

Eh, it's an old debate, but you are thinking in an old fashioned way, or at least in a way that doesn't play to the almighty dollar.

From Texas's perspective, it's simple.  They make lots of money by scheduling ND.  It does help their recruiting.  And its better all around than A&M, which is the immediate question at hand.

From ND perspective, it doesn't hurt recruiting. 

These guys (ND and Tex) have built brands that will always make money.  The economics is that they have to keep looking for bigger sources of income and bigger games.  And this whole idea of ND trying to set up getting into a bowl game sounds nice, but not sure it coincides with how they really see themselves.

And what "big talk" is Texas engaged in here that "isn't necessarily true"? 

Re: Sockpuppet Chip Brown: no more Stanford v ND on thanksgiving? - fullmetal - 08-25-2011

Then the question is who the Big 12 poaches to bring their membership up to an even ten teams...Houston?  Only if Case Keenum has five more years of eligibility.  And TCU's gone to the Big East.

Re: Sockpuppet Chip Brown: no more Stanford v ND on thanksgiving? - Kathy - 08-26-2011

Quote:Texas v ND is bigger than UT v. ATM, so no harm in Texas trying for that.

That is NOT true in Texas!


And fullmetal, I'm hearing rumblings of SMU possibly joining the Big 12, and some say Arkansas, too. That would give the conference a decidedly SWC bent; realignment of North & South divisions would put it on the old Big 8/SWC lines.


Re: Sockpuppet Chip Brown: no more Stanford v ND on thanksgiving? - fullmetal - 08-26-2011

Texas/Texas A&M is a long and storied rivalry.  To be honest, I understand where A&M is coming from, but I don't think it's a long-term, net beneficial solution to go running to the SEC.  The Longhorn Network is a pretty big thorn, but forcing a conference realignment because of such is...perhaps not the best thing to do.  At the very least, if A&M goes to the SEC, they should keep the rivalry game.  The NCAA has put the kibosh on televising HS games, so that much should have been taken care of.

ND is not on Texas's radar at all.  Nope.  Also, Chip Brown has a reputation for being the 'company man' of Texas football reporting.

I thought about Arkansas joining, but I think they like the SEC where they are right now.  They're certainly not doing too badly, although as a team, they tend to be less than the sum of their parts.  SMU just doesn't seem big-time enough to join the conference, but if they're equivalent to Baylor in terms of academic stature, they would have a decent argument.  I think SMU is definitely higher to some degree than Houston on the academic ladder.  Football-wise...I don't know that much about SMU's team.

Financially, Arkansas making out like bandits in SEC - Redrum - 08-26-2011

Even in the great days of yore,  when UT / Arkansas was a national TV event (when we got to see two college games total per Saturday),  Arkansas never saw the dumptrucks full of money pulling up in the SWC like they have in the SEC.  That is what is so great about the SEC,  they were the best at figuring out a way to monetize fan enthusiasm.  Sure almost unlimited TV has changed the game, but the SEC was top dog for payouts to members.  All driven by football TV revenues and the guarantee of sold-out stadiums.  Sure the Pac-12 has raised by bar for media deal value,  but that's because the SEC is in the middle of their current media deal.  Just wait until renegotiation time. 

Given that the Big-12 looks like an unstable isotope, ready to degrade at any time,  I'd make large bets against Arkansas ever reappearing in the Big 12 or whatever stitched-together Texas Worshipping Society is formed in the future.

Re: Sockpuppet Chip Brown: no more Stanford v ND on thanksgiving? - oman - 08-26-2011

It may not be what you guys are saying, but you would be crazy if you are saying that UT would rather have A&M as a continued rival than ND.

OU is UT's main football rivalry.  The Texas OU game is literally 10 times as important as the A&M game, both in pratical terms as well as emotionally.  Should UT have contempt for the A&M rivalry?  Probably not.  But they (we) do.

All that being said, this was just a tweet.  But ND and BYU are targets of the floundering Big12, so the ND talk is topical for them.

Re: Sockpuppet Chip Brown: no more Stanford v ND on thanksgiving? - yvonne - 08-26-2011

(08-26-2011, 07:31 AM)garvin link Wrote:I'm not clear why Chip Brown reporting what UT officials tell him about their scheduling plans makes him a "sock puppet." If a Bay Area reporter writes a story quoting Bob Bowlsby about who Stanford wants to schedule, does that make him or her a sock puppet, too?

Please define sock puppet. I googled it, and it seems to be a false identity, but that doesn't seem to be how it's being used here.

Thanks

Re: Sockpuppet Chip Brown: no more Stanford v ND on thanksgiving? - yvonne - 08-26-2011

(08-26-2011, 09:23 AM)oman link Wrote:It may not be what you guys are saying, but you would be crazy if you are saying that UT would rather have A&M as a continued rival than ND.

OU is UT's main football rivalry.  The Texas OU game is literally 10 times as important as the A&M game, both in pratical terms as well as emotionally.  Should UT have contempt for the A&M rivalry?  Probably not.  But they (we) do.

Pass the popcorn, please!

Re: Sockpuppet Chip Brown: no more Stanford v ND on thanksgiving? - Kathy - 08-26-2011

Quote:And what "big talk" is Texas engaged in here that "isn't necessarily true"?

The t-sips weren't even bowl eligible last year. Why? Because the Aggies beat them in the annual game. (They beat Oklahoma, too, I might add. And the t-sips did not. Gig 'em!)

And careful who you include in the royal "we," oman:
Quote:Should UT have contempt for the A&M rivalry?  Probably not.  But they (we) do.
There are at least two Cardboard members who like the t-sip/Aggie rivalry.

FM, agree that A&M's beef with the Longhorn Network will not go away if the Aggies jump to another conference. The t-sip network gives UT an enormous recruiting advantage in the state -- going to another conference will not help the Ags at home. I'm wondering if it's just a power play to force the hand of the Big 12 into loosening up more revenue. The statement from the university pretty much laid it out that it was all about the money, couched as phrasing about ROI for the taxpayers in the best use of facilities.


Re: Sockpuppet Chip Brown: no more Stanford v ND on thanksgiving? - Canalejas - 08-26-2011

Perhaps sockpuppet was not the best term to use, as it does appear to mean an online user account meant to obscure a user's identity for the purpose of getting around community restrictions and norms [such as when a troll is banned or to support an argument made by the troll's other account(s).] 

I just thought it sounded cool.  I should learn to check urbandictionary before throwing around odd phrases.  The term "puppet" would probably have been better in this instance. 

Chip Brown gained a reputation for being a sort of mouthpiece for the UT athletics department.  Some in the blogosphere think that when DeLoss Dodds needs to float an idea he may call upon Brown.  In this case it was a threat to end the UT-A&M Thanksgiving Day series. 

Here are some links discussing the accusation that he is a puppet:

http://www.doubletnation.com/2010/7/30/1596094/red-raider-gridiron-chip-brown-fed 
http://www.doubletnation.com/2010/6/23/1533356/how-chip-brown-continues-to-baffle 
http://www.mwcboard.com/www/forums/index.php?showtopic=24937 

Of course, it is entirely possible that he doesn't deserve that label and has simply inspired jealousy for being the reporter who broke the Pac-16 story last year. 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/richard_deitsch/06/23/media.brown/index.html 



Re: Sockpuppet Chip Brown: no more Stanford v ND on thanksgiving? - oman - 08-26-2011

(08-26-2011, 10:03 AM)Kathy link Wrote:The t-sips weren't even bowl eligible last year. Why? Because the Aggies beat them in the annual game. (They beat Oklahoma, too, I might add. And the t-sips did not. Gig 'em!)

But A&M wants to escape to the SEC, and ND is a bigger deal than they are (not in wins losses -- in statute and recognition).  The desire to play ND reflects that.  In a dreamworld, that is not a bad trade.  Texas would love some kind of rivalry with SoCal even more.

Quote:There are at least two Cardboard members who like the t-sip/Aggie rivalry.

That's fair.  It is not a bad game at all.  It just doesn't rank anywhere near OU (or the old Nebraska game) to Texas in recent memories.  But if the Aggies decide to move on, a ND game would be a fun replacement, and be more interesting to more people.



Re: Sockpuppet Chip Brown: no more Stanford v ND on thanksgiving? - oman - 08-26-2011

We as in Texas fans.

Re: Sockpuppet Chip Brown: no more Stanford v ND on thanksgiving? - fullmetal - 08-26-2011

Texas-OU is what Stanford-USC on steroids would be like.  Rabid, unbridled hatred on a good part of both sides' fan bases fuel that, and I won't say that the average education of the fan bases doesn't contribute...

Texas and Texas A&M is about where Stanford-kal is right now, I think, but on a higher level due to brobdingnagian regional draws (because Stanford is a private school).  Households are divided along Longhorn/Aggie battle lines.  Households are not divided along Texas/OU lines because I don't see any relationships bridging that gulf :p

Texas/ND helps ND more than it helps Texas.  Mack Brown prefers recruiting in-state, and he's generally got the pick of the litter (except when Oregon decides to pay an agent to steer a top RB prospect their way).  ND gaining recruiting exposure in Texas helps them out a lot (and they need it), and one wonders exactly how much more money Texas needs that they'd cede recruiting coverage to ND.  Who knows, maybe it'd hurt A&M more since A&M is going to be struggling for recruits soon.  (Who thinks that A&M joining the SEC is really going to open up SEC country recruiting pipelines?  No one from the southeast thinks that College Station is close enough to home to play...)

Re: Sockpuppet Chip Brown: no more Stanford v ND on thanksgiving? - oman - 08-26-2011

Those recruiting remarks make a lot of sense.