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Latest NCAA scandal - OutsiderFan - 12-01-2019
Soon to be HeismanTrophy winning QB Joe Burrow says he doesn't see other students at LSU because all his classes are online.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/RodGilmore/status/1201190400687403008[/tweet]
RE: Latest NCAA scandal - 2006alum - 12-01-2019
It feels like it's a race between NCAA haters to abolish amateurism and athletic departments to abolish any credible claim to the student part of student-athlete. Especially for football, I wonder how much longer it will be before it makes more sense to make these teams clubs that are loosely associated with universities, the way European football clubs are associated with cities? Fewer and fewer schools have the integrity to maintain the full student-athlete experience the way Stanford does.
RE: Latest NCAA scandal - MVDan - 12-01-2019
I believe Burrow graduated from OSU prior to transferring to LSU with 2 years remaining. That would make him a Grad student at LSU.
RE: Latest NCAA scandal - Goose - 12-01-2019
(12-01-2019, 10:38 AM)2006alum Wrote: It feels like it's a race between NCAA haters to abolish amateurism and athletic departments to abolish any credible claim to the student part of student-athlete.I believe the far more serious fact/problem is that many non-athletes attend the "University" the same way. I am aware that the athlete in question is a grad student, but that isn't germane IMHO. The "in the classroom" and even more so the "in the dorm" experience is becoming more and more uncommon at large public universities. It is entirely possible to graduate from many of them without actually attending a class on the main campus. There are both good things and bad things about this situation, but it seems to be becoming "normal".
RE: Latest NCAA scandal - oldalum - 12-01-2019
(12-01-2019, 10:58 AM)Goose Wrote: It is entirely possible to graduate from many of them without actually attending a class on the main campus. There are both good things and bad things about this situation, but it seems to be becoming "normal".I'm too tired and lazy to try to think of what the good things are; can someone please help?
RE: Latest NCAA scandal - JohnR34231 - 12-01-2019
(12-01-2019, 11:03 AM)oldalum Wrote:(12-01-2019, 10:58 AM)Goose Wrote: It is entirely possible to graduate from many of them without actually attending a class on the main campus. There are both good things and bad things about this situation, but it seems to be becoming "normal".I'm too tired and lazy to try to think of what the good things are; can someone please help?
Sure, if you are listening to an online lecture rather than being in a lecture hall you can rewind it and see it again if you miss or don't understand a part. Also you are paying attention to the lecture rather than fantasizing about that cute girl who sits in the row ahead of you.
Not sure all classes should be online, but I don't have a problem with some of them being.
Anyway it's the wave of the future, so like it or not we should get used to it.
RE: Latest NCAA scandal - oldalum - 12-01-2019
(12-01-2019, 11:46 AM)JohnR34231 Wrote: Sure, if you are listening to an online lecture rather than being in a lecture hall you can rewind it and see it again if you miss or don't understand a part. Also you are paying attention to the lecture rather than fantasizing about that cute girl who sits in the row ahead of you.Thanks! But you can't know about the cute coed if you don't go to class some of the time!
Not sure all classes should be online, but I don't have a problem with some of them being.
Anyway it's the wave of the future, so like it or not we should get used to it.
Now that I'm more awake, I remember that my kids listen to lectures online at faster speed so they get through them faster and have more time to party--I mean, study other subjects.
RE: Latest NCAA scandal - Goose - 12-01-2019
(12-01-2019, 11:03 AM)oldalum Wrote:The number of on-campus "slots" have not grown as fast as the demand for them has. Without online classes, many students wouldn't be able access higher education at all, either because there is no room or because they can't afford to relocate to the campus. This is certainly a "benefit" of an all online system. One may rightly question "Is it the same education?", but for the people with no other access, that doesn't matter. In today's workplace, degrees are often required. An education is unfortunately often optional.(12-01-2019, 10:58 AM)Goose Wrote: It is entirely possible to graduate from many of them without actually attending a class on the main campus. There are both good things and bad things about this situation, but it seems to be becoming "normal".I'm too tired and lazy to try to think of what the good things are; can someone please help?
Is it possible to get a good education online? Certainly it is. There are even people that are autodidacts. However, I suspect many/most online graduates want the paper more than the knowledge. That is IMHO a problem, as it will becomes the new norm.
RE: Latest NCAA scandal - chrisk - 12-01-2019
(12-01-2019, 12:00 PM)Goose Wrote:(12-01-2019, 11:03 AM)oldalum Wrote:The number of on-campus "slots" have not grown as fast as the demand for them has. Without online classes, many students wouldn't be able access higher education at all, either because there is no room or because they can't afford to relocate to the campus. This is certainly a "benefit" of an all online system. One may rightly question "Is it the same education?", but for the people with no other access, that doesn't matter. In today's workplace, degrees are often required. An education is unfortunately often optional.(12-01-2019, 10:58 AM)Goose Wrote: It is entirely possible to graduate from many of them without actually attending a class on the main campus. There are both good things and bad things about this situation, but it seems to be becoming "normal".I'm too tired and lazy to try to think of what the good things are; can someone please help?
Is it possible to get a good education online? Certainly it is. There are even people that are autodidacts. However, I suspect many/most online graduates want the paper more than the knowledge. That is IMHO a problem, as it will becomes the new norm.
College enrollment overall is dropping
RE: Latest NCAA scandal - BostonCard - 12-01-2019
This is correct, but we are just past the peak of college enrollment. It had been increasing until very recently.
BC
Here’s the data from the department of education.
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Probably best to say that four year enrollment has plateaued.
BC
RE: Latest NCAA scandal - 82lsju - 12-01-2019
(12-01-2019, 10:43 AM)MVDan Wrote: I believe Burrow graduated from OSU prior to transferring to LSU with 2 years remaining. That would make him a Grad student at LSU.
correct
Quote:Burrow graduated from Ohio State in three years with a degree in consumer and family financial services.
https://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/ohio-state-transfer-qb-burrow-named-lsu-starter-vs-miami-082718
Quote:Bachelor of Science in Consumer and Family Financial Services
Good with numbers? Good with people?
A bachelor’s degree in consumer and family financial services prepares you for a career helping people, businesses or organizations make sense of complex financial concepts, data and policies. You’ll learn the analytical and people-skills to help your clients or employer make better decisions in the real world.
https://ehe.osu.edu/human-sciences/consumer-sciences/financial-services/bs
RE: Latest NCAA scandal - Austroturf - 12-01-2019
(12-01-2019, 10:43 AM)MVDan Wrote: I believe Burrow graduated from OSU prior to transferring to LSU with 2 years remaining. That would make him a Grad student at LSU.
This is correct. From Wikipedia: After redshirting his first year at Ohio State in 2015, Burrow spent the next two years as a backup to J. T. Barrett. Over the two years, he played in 10 games, completing 29 of 39 passes for 287 yards and two touchdowns. Realizing that Dwayne Haskins would be named starting quarterback at Ohio State, Burrow transferred to Louisiana State University (LSU) in May 2018. Burrow had graduated from Ohio State in three years with a degree in consumer and family financial services, and would be immediately eligible as a graduate transfer.