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WBB: Stanford 71 Ohio State 52 - 81alum - 12-14-2019

Preview:

It has been two weeks since we beat Mississippi State, and we will soon find out whether Carrington and/or Dodson have gotten healthy during the interval-- when we take on Ohio State. 

Ohio State is a young, talented, but inconsistent team.  They recently beat Louisville and played UConn tough, but also lost to the like of Ohio and South Dakota,  This leaves them at 38th in the computer rankings--but they got 6 votes in the AP rankings, so folks are beginning to notice their reservoir of talent.  OSU is led by a 6'4" sophomore from Hungary (#14) who averages 12 points and 8 rebounds, and a phenomenal 6'1" freshman guard Kierstan Bell (#24), who is averaging 11 ppg.  Watch out for those player with numbers ending in 4!  All their players shoot threes with four shooting better than 30% and even their bigs shooting in the mid 20s.  One point guard has a 4:1 assist:turnover ratio.  In short, they can be a deadly team as Louisville found out.  I wonder if it will be Lacie who get the defensive assignment on Kierstan Bell?

Overview:

I'd award most of the credit for this win to an impressive defensive scout and excellent defensive execution.  OSU frequently plays "5 out" on the perimeter, looking for players to break to the basket, but time and again we had players intercept the passes that were meant to facilitate the cuts.  OSU had 23 points in the first half, Lexie had 7 steals, and the OSU freshman phenom was 0/8 for 0 points.  

Before the game:

We learned the unfortunate news that Carrington and Dodson are out indefinitely, and that Lacie is now in a boot.   Carrington had the operation last summer and apparently it is acting up.  Dodson is healing very slowly and dealing with pain.  None the coaches ever offer anything solid on timetables--they claim that they themselves do not know--Stanford coaches have nothing to do with medical decisions. With Brewer injured all year (so far) that leaves us with 11 healthy players.

Flow of the game:

While our defense did well all game, our offense seemed a little labored until we discovered the high-low passes to Fingall or Belibi under the basket.  That started to click late in the first quarter and the two of them converted repeatedly.  In the 2nd half McGuff made a couple of adjustments that worked for a while.  He took away the High-Low pass until we sent in Jump who started to knock down treys.  And he began to full court press which resulted in some turnovers.  Haley had 7 and Kiana 5.  But while that permitted OSU to score 19, so did we and thus the cushion remained the same.  By the fourth quarter everything began to slow down and we coasted to the win.

Performances:

Lexie got called over for the post-game interview.  She had 13 points and 7 steals--I think most all in the first half.

Jones led with 15 points, 6 assists, 7 rebounds, 2 steals and a block--more than compensating for her turnovers.  She also led the team in minutes at 34 minutes.  A lot of her points were from wonderful mid range jumpers when everyone else seemed unable to get open.  She is becoming the person who you want to have the ball when the clock is running down and nothing else has worked on the possession.  She also cut through defenders to the rim a couple of times.

Williams played 31 minutes, contributed 13 points and 6 rebounds.  But she managed just 2 assists to go with 5 turnovers, and Tara took her out from time to time to rest her.  We were told before the game that she was not injured in Victoria.   A few of those turnovers were aggressive efforts to feed the ball inside that did not work.

Fingall got 28 minutes--she has been expanding her time fairly steadily and getting back to normal.  She made four baskets down low, but I think all in the first half before OSU began to sag on her.  She had 4 steals and a block--but only 3 rebounds.

Jerome started and played 15 minutes, going 0/2, getting just 1 rebound and 1 assist. 

Belibi with 20 minutes and 13 points, making her the 4th player in double figures.  I think she is our most reliable scorer down low, although she went just 6/10--sometimes missing a few times on the same possession after getting repeated rebounds.  She led the team with 8 rebounds despite playing just half the game.

Jump and Wilson got double digit minutes and made important contributions.  Jump went 3/7 from three point range, Wilson missed 3 times but had 5 assists to 1 turnover. 

Conclusion:

This was a dangerous game, but we seemed well prepared to take them on and were not as rusty as I feared.  We managed just fine with 4 injured players sitting down, but we can't afford for more injuries to mount up.  I continue to be deeply impressed with the contributions that the freshmen are making, and also with Fingall's recovery.  The coming game against Tennessee will be of an entirely different character--we will need all our bigs to play tall in that game.

RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Ohio State Sunday 5:30 - 81alum - 12-15-2019

A couple of OSU announcers talking about the game tonight.

https://twitter.com/ohiostatewbb

They note that Tara takes away the opposing players with the best numbers and leaves the "weak links" open to shoot.  So Ohio State has to get production from lesser know players to do well.  Ohio State doesn't feel too bad about this "scouting report defense" since their team is so young and inconsistent that they don't really know who the strengths and weaknesses are yet.  Or so they say.  I still think 14 and 24 are going to get a lot of attention from our defense.

By the way, if we need another reason to want to beat Ohio State, I came across this:
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-womens-basketball/2019/08/105673/ohio-state-to-investigate-potential-womens-basketball-ncaa-violations-assistant-coach-patrick-klein
There apparently has been something inappropriate with their recruiting.

To the sleaze factor we can add the fact that two years ago, when they were at their best, they beat us twice, and last year, when they were in a rebuilding year, they took the excuse of the fires not to come out.  But at the time they were scheduled to play us Cal played in Maples instead.

And finally you can put their head coach McGuff in the crosshairs if you wish.  We have played him many times--remember Jeanette taking the ball the length of the court and laying it in to beat Xavier in 2010?  McGuff left Xavier to go to Washington and then dumped his new home to go to Ohio State after just two years there.  He took the Ohio State job 3 weeks after signing a long term extension at Washington.  His extension was through 2019-20--maybe we should be glad he was so sleazy, or we would have been playing against him in the Pac 12 all those years.  The last laugh was on him, though, since he missed all four years of Kelsey Plum!

RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Ohio State Sunday 5:30 - Jskass - 12-15-2019

Plus Kelsey Mitchell played there - accompanied by her sister on the team and Dad as Assistant Coach.

RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Ohio State Sunday 5:30 - BobK - 12-15-2019

Hope we see Carrington on the floor. Hope the boot on well we believe Lacie last night , is just support

RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Ohio State Sunday 5:30 - TheFarm07 - 12-15-2019

(12-15-2019, 05:07 PM)BobK Wrote:  Hope we see Carrington on the floor.  Hope the boot on well we believe Lacie last night ,  is just  support

A boot on Lacie too?

I thought players were supposed to rest and heal during breaks, not get injured...

RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Ohio State Sunday 5:30 - 81alum - 12-15-2019

(12-15-2019, 05:07 PM)BobK Wrote:  Hope we see Carrington on the floor.  Hope the boot on well we believe Lacie last night ,  is just  support
Ugh. I suppose it could have been her twin, too?  That is definitely not what we need.  Here is to everyone being healthy!

Word is Carrington and Dodson still out.

Lacie in a boot (just as Bob said!)

No band, dollies, or cheerleaders since finals over.

Crowd looks mediocre but not as sparse as some so far this year. Let's hope the team brings all the excitement.

RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Ohio State Sunday 5:30 - BobK - 12-15-2019

It’s Lacie

RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Ohio State Sunday 5:30 - Jskass - 12-15-2019

Yeah the four in sweats also includes Brewer.

RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Ohio State Sunday 5:30 - TheFarm07 - 12-15-2019

(12-15-2019, 06:54 PM)Jskass Wrote:  Yeah the four in sweats also includes Brewer.

It's fortunate we have so much depth that we can handle nearly a third of the team being injured right now
We lead 37-23 at the half.

Things I like:

Things we need to improve on:


RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Ohio State Sunday 5:30 - mbdude - 12-15-2019

I'm surprised Prechtel isn't playing more especially when we're up by 20, and Jonesbneedscto cut down Tom's, 6 or 7 now

RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Ohio State Sunday 5:30 - TheFarm07 - 12-15-2019

We win 71-52 but it could have been a much wider margin of victory.

We were very sloppy with our 21 turnovers, most of them were head-scratchers, some into traffic, others directly into the hands of an Ohio State player, I am not sure what we were thinking. It was very frustrating to watch.

Also, some shot selections left something to desire, as what the Buckeyes pressed and we were able to break it, instead of driving with only one defender, we settled for a somewhat contested three.

Otherwise, Haley's line drive stroke on her pull-up is a thing of beauty. We had four players in double digits and two more just shy of joining.

We also limited Bell to an 0/8 shooting evening as well.

Definitely, we need to work on our decision-making when making passes before the Tennessee game on Wednesday. A lot to work on, but a very solid victory over a dangerous Ohio State team coming out of a two week break.

RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Ohio State Sunday 5:30 - mbdude - 12-15-2019

Turnovers so frustrating, 16 between William's, Jones, belibi,
Need to clean that up b4 Tennessee,  texas

RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Ohio State Sunday 5:30 - BobK - 12-15-2019

Shot 60% from two so that helped

RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Ohio State Sunday 5:30 - philitup371@gmail.com - 12-15-2019

The PG play is abysmal.   In the last 2 games HJones has 10 To's and Kiana has 13 TO's.  We are winning despite horrific PG play.

RE: WBB: Stanford 71 Ohio State 52 - BobK - 12-15-2019

Let’s see Ohio State Beat Louisville and we beat Ohio State easily. That’s short of abysmal me thinks.

I certainly will agree too many turnovers and many on simply passes to the other team

RE: WBB: Stanford 71 Ohio State 52 - 81alum - 12-15-2019

Write up is now done at the top.

On the point guard play, I do agree that Williams seems a bit off lately.  At least she was making most of her turnovers on overly aggressive attempts to feed the ball down low.  Jones on the other hand made some turnovers like that but had more of those unforced errors like moving faster than her dribble and leaving the ball behind.  She looked a little freshman-like at times--when it comes to ball handling.

Anna Wilson had 5 assists to 1 turnover.  She seems more than capable.  I wish her 3 shots had gone in.  She needs a boost of confidence in her offense.  If only she could recapture that magic she had when she made 7/8 three pointers against Ohio State 2 years ago.

RE: WBB: Stanford 71 Ohio State 52 - philitup371@gmail.com - 12-15-2019

(12-15-2019, 09:28 PM)BobK Wrote:  Let’s see Ohio State Beat Louisville and we beat Ohio State easily. That’s short of abysmal me thinks. 

I certainly will agree too many turnovers and many on simply passes to the other team

Oh ok bobK (BTW I really enjoy your comments and summaries), so the associative (or communitive always confusing the 2) property of victories absolves a basketball team of having inefficient (and unselfish) PG's.  Sounds like an approach that hasn't won a national championship in almost 30 years!!!!!

While we are on the subject (and BobK I say this with super respect for your contributions on this board and to the program overall), what exactly is the difference between Sylvia Hatchell and Tara?  Aside from the fact that Hatchell has a more recent national championship that is.

I'm just saying

RE: WBB: Stanford 71 Ohio State 52 - BosCard - 12-15-2019

(12-15-2019, 09:28 PM)BobK Wrote:  Let’s see Ohio State Beat Louisville and we beat Ohio State easily. That’s short of abysmal me thinks. 

I certainly will agree too many turnovers and many on simply passes to the other team

Hannah Jump's 3 point shooting is becoming so critical.  Williams is in a 3 point shooting slump shooting 26% for the year.  Lexie can be streaky as well.  And if those two miss a bunch then it seems like no one else can hit.  Except Jump.  It seems like all her 3's are brobdingnagian because they often come in games where it seems like no one else can hit a 3 (reminds me of Karlie Samuelson in her senior year).  For example, in this game Jump was 3 for 7 from the 3 point line and the rest of the team was 3 for 17.

RE: WBB: Stanford 71 Ohio State 52 - 81alum - 12-15-2019

(12-15-2019, 09:43 PM)philitup371@gmail.com Wrote:  what exactly is the difference between Sylvia Hatchell and Tara?  Aside from the fact that Hatchell has a more recent national championship that is.

I'm just saying
Here are a few differences:

Sylvia Hatchell ran a program with players who were part of an academic cheating scandal in which players got credit for  "directed reading" courses in which they did no work.

Sylvia Hatchell was fired for making racially insensitive remarks, and forcing players to play when injured.

Sylvia Hatchell made it to the final four 3 times, winning the championship once.  (Tara has been 12 times and won twice.)

Sylvia Hatchell did not have to contend with Stanford's sky-high admission standards.

I'm sure I could come up with a few more....

RE: WBB: Stanford 71 Ohio State 52 - philitup371@gmail.com - 12-15-2019

(12-15-2019, 10:00 PM)81alum Wrote:  
(12-15-2019, 09:43 PM)philitup371@gmail.com Wrote:  what exactly is the difference between Sylvia Hatchell and Tara?  Aside from the fact that Hatchell has a more recent national championship that is.

I'm just saying
Here are a few differences:

Sylvia Hatchell ran a program with players who were part of an academic cheating scandal in which players got credit for  "directed reading" courses in which they did no work.

Sylvia Hatchell was fired for making racially insensitive remarks, and forcing players to play when injured.

Sylvia Hatchell made it to the final four 3 times, winning the championship once.  (Tara has been 12 times and won twice.)

Sylvia Hatchell did not have to contend with Stanford's sky-high admission standards.

I'm sure I could come up with a few more....

Agreed Hatchel has won a chip more recently than Tara.  So you have a smoking gun on Hatchel making kids play injured and data on Tara not doing the same thing (and maybe even worse)?  You may want to verify that before you cast aspersions.  Tara may be a more politically correct dinosaur than Hatchel, but I am struggling to elevate Tara over Hatchel.  Let's also factor in the positives about Stanford and the fact that most sane human beings would never transfer from Stanford (as opposed to UNC) because of the lifel0ng opportunities it will bring.

I think if you step back you will say "1992 was a LONG time ago"  Chips are chips and 30 years is 30 years.