MLB draft - Printable Version

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MLB draft - BobK - 06-10-2020

With the 13th pick overall the Giants select the top Catcher in the draft Patrick Bailey of North Carolina State
Baseball America calls him a top defensive catcher with power. He does swing and miss a lot

Yes a catcher

RE: MLB draft - Phogge - 06-10-2020

The NL is going DH at some time soon. This kid has plenty of power. Striking out a lot is a plus to Farhan. Plus he probably can play first. So can Bart.

If there ever was a year for first round kids to sign this is the year. Forget college and take the money.

RE: MLB draft - BobK - 06-11-2020

Per a story today Farham loves two catchers
Or as Casey Stengel said after drafting Giant backup Hobie Landrith in the 1962 expansion draft for the Mets

“You need a catcher or the ball goes to the backstop every time”

lex24 - lex24 - 06-11-2020

I’m sure he’s another terrific “three true outcomes guy.”

(06-10-2020, 09:46 PM)Phogge Wrote: The NL is going DH at some time soon. This kid has plenty of power. Striking out a lot is a plus to Farhan. Plus he probably can play first. So can Bart.

If there ever was a year for first round kids to sign this is the year. Forget college and take the money.

Except they don’t get all the money. The slot picks get there money - eventually. As I understand it $100,000 this year. Rest of it spit ‘21and ‘22.

RE: MLB draft - OutsiderFan - 06-11-2020

MLB only doing 5 draft rounds this year is crazy.

In the broader context, MLB is trying to be the NFL. They are pushing more players to college baseball to use it as its development league more than the minors. Now, if MLB would supply wood bats for college baseball, they might actually be doing something smart. As it is, they are pretty much just cutting their own cost and killing minor league baseball in small towns all over America.

RE: MLB draft - BobK - 06-11-2020

No outsider they are simply cutting costs.

RE: MLB draft - BostonCard - 06-11-2020

(06-11-2020, 12:27 PM)BobK Wrote: No outsider they are simply cutting costs.

I read "They are pushing more players to college baseball to use it as its development league more than the minors." as a slightly longer way of saying that they are cutting costs.

BC

RE: MLB draft - Phogge - 06-11-2020

With so much uncertainty take the money. Go to college later when you know a bit more about life. My major mistake but I was offered peanuts. Should have signed.

RE: MLB draft - BobK - 06-11-2020

Casey Schmidt of San Diego State is the Giants 2nd pick. 3B with good D strong bat with power. Also a pitcher a closer

RE: MLB draft - qwerty49 - 06-11-2020

(06-11-2020, 01:55 PM)Phogge Wrote: With so much uncertainty take the money. Go to college later when you know a bit more about life. My major mistake but I was offered peanuts. Should have signed.

Friend of mine was offered 85K out of high school by the Angels (pre-draft) in 1965, that was a lot of money then. He turned it down to come to Stanford (tuition was only about $1500 a year then!). Had a couple of great years in college but then got hurt. Signed with another team after college but the injury eventually forced him to retire very early. Should he have taken the money? Maybe. But he saved most of his MLB money and went back to grad school and made a very nice career for himself professionally in the Bay Area.

But of course the math is different now.

RE: MLB draft - BobK - 06-11-2020

The choices thus far for the Giants

https://twitter.com/ko_crowley/status/1271222699507908608?s=21

RE: MLB draft - Mick - 06-11-2020

(06-11-2020, 05:53 PM)BobK Wrote: The choices thus far for the Giants

They all look good on paper. And just to share, here's the odds of each draft pick, by round, on making the major leagues, based upon the 1981 through 2010 MLB drafts. (with the Giants number of picks):

1st round, 73% (1)
2nd round, 51% (1, with two supplemental picks between the 2nd and 3rd rounds)
3rd round, 40%, (1)
4th round, 34% (1)
5th round, 30% (1)

So, four of the seven should make the bigs. And less than 10% of the players selected in an MLB draft register a 0.1 WAR or better.

Take the SF Giants 2010 draft:
11th round Adam Duvall was the big winner (6.7 career WAR). .754 career OPS with almost 100 homers in six big league seasons. For other teams, of course.

2nd round pick, Jarrett Parker (1.1 career WAR, 0 for 12 with the Angels last year).

5th round pick, Heath Hembree, 2.3 WAR, nice six year career in middle relief, 13-5 career record, 9.6 K's per 9 innings, throws hard. Again, mostly for Boston. Played a year with the Giants.

1st round bust, Gary Brown, 0.1 WAR and 20th round Brett Bochy 0.1 WAR. Bochy, at least, had a career MLB ERA of 2.84 and WHIP of .790. Why didn't he play more?

Seth Rosin, Alec Asher, Mike Kickham all made the bigs, all with negative WAR. Kickham threw the hardest, straightest fastball you ever saw. Literally no movement. Straight as an arrow. Gave up 9 HRs in 30 1/3 innings pitched. Still in Boston's 2020 spring training, with a 2.08 ERA. Good luck, Mike.

Got to give these minor leaguers credit. 48th round pick Devin Harris played 7 years with a .248 BA in AA ball.

RE: MLB draft - BobK - 06-11-2020

No Stanford recruits were drafted

RE: MLB draft - StanfordMatt - 06-11-2020

(06-11-2020, 08:15 PM)BobK Wrote: No Stanford recruits were drafted

Nor were any players from the current roster. So Beck will definitely be back next year and presumably Tawa will be as well.

lex24 - lex24 - 06-11-2020

(06-11-2020, 06:43 PM)Mick Wrote:
(06-11-2020, 05:53 PM)BobK Wrote: The choices thus far for the Giants

They all look good on paper. And just to share, here's the odds of each draft pick, by round, on making the major leagues, based upon the 1981 through 2010 MLB drafts. (with the Giants number of picks):

1st round, 73% (1)
2nd round, 51% (1, with two supplemental picks between the 2nd and 3rd rounds)
3rd round, 40%, (1)
4th round, 34% (1)
5th round, 30% (1)

So, four of the seven should make the bigs. And less than 10% of the players selected in an MLB draft register a 0.1 WAR or better.

Take the SF Giants 2010 draft:
11th round Adam Duvall was the big winner (6.7 career WAR). .754 career OPS with almost 100 homers in six big league seasons. For other teams, of course.

2nd round pick, Jarrett Parker (1.1 career WAR, 0 for 12 with the Angels last year).

5th round pick, Heath Hembree, 2.3 WAR, nice six year career in middle relief, 13-5 career record, 9.6 K's per 9 innings, throws hard. Again, mostly for Boston. Played a year with the Giants.

1st round bust, Gary Brown, 0.1 WAR and 20th round Brett Bochy 0.1 WAR. Bochy, at least, had a career MLB ERA of 2.84 and WHIP of .790. Why didn't he play more?

Seth Rosin, Alec Asher, Mike Kickham all made the bigs, all with negative WAR. Kickham threw the hardest, straightest fastball you ever saw. Literally no movement. Straight as an arrow. Gave up 9 HRs in 30 1/3 innings pitched. Still in Boston's 2020 spring training, with a 2.08 ERA. Good luck, Mike.

Got to give these minor leaguers credit. 48th round pick Devin Harris played 7 years with a .248 BA in AA ball.

Reminds me of an old Herb Caen line: “The Giants look good on paper this year. Unfortunately they play on grass.” It’s a crap shoot. Hopefully they rolled a 7 or two. On one of the threads when I went into the link they had a reaction on what looked like McCovey Chronicles ( don’t even know if it existef then) to when the Giants drafted Bumgarner. People were furious screaming about how they needed hitters and that they should’ve signed Porcello and what an awful pick it was, fire Sabean etc. etc. I guess we will know in a few years.

Farhan has done a nice job turning the minor leagues around and giving them several pics. There’s always going to be a fail rate. So quantity. in the first few rounds is nice

(06-11-2020, 06:43 PM)Mick Wrote:
(06-11-2020, 05:53 PM)BobK Wrote: The choices thus far for the Giants

They all look good on paper. And just to share, here's the odds of each draft pick, by round, on making the major leagues, based upon the 1981 through 2010 MLB drafts. (with the Giants number of picks):

1st round, 73% (1)
2nd round, 51% (1, with two supplemental picks between the 2nd and 3rd rounds)
3rd round, 40%, (1)
4th round, 34% (1)
5th round, 30% (1)

So, four of the seven should make the bigs. And less than 10% of the players selected in an MLB draft register a 0.1 WAR or better.

Take the SF Giants 2010 draft:
11th round Adam Duvall was the big winner (6.7 career WAR). .754 career OPS with almost 100 homers in six big league seasons. For other teams, of course.

2nd round pick, Jarrett Parker (1.1 career WAR, 0 for 12 with the Angels last year).

5th round pick, Heath Hembree, 2.3 WAR, nice six year career in middle relief, 13-5 career record, 9.6 K's per 9 innings, throws hard. Again, mostly for Boston. Played a year with the Giants.

1st round bust, Gary Brown, 0.1 WAR and 20th round Brett Bochy 0.1 WAR. Bochy, at least, had a career MLB ERA of 2.84 and WHIP of .790. Why didn't he play more?

Seth Rosin, Alec Asher, Mike Kickham all made the bigs, all with negative WAR. Kickham threw the hardest, straightest fastball you ever saw. Literally no movement. Straight as an arrow. Gave up 9 HRs in 30 1/3 innings pitched. Still in Boston's 2020 spring training, with a 2.08 ERA. Good luck, Mike.

Got to give these minor leaguers credit. 48th round pick Devin Harris played 7 years with a .248 BA in AA ball.

Hembree did help in that he was the main guy the Giants traded for Peavey. Who was a key cog in ‘14.

RE: MLB draft - akiddoc - 06-11-2020

I have a friend with 2 sons in MLB. One went to a UC for three years after turning down $700,000. Spent 2 years in the minors. Has been making good money peaking at 10 mill. Now at the end of his career due to make 1.75 mill this year (Obviously not going to happen.). Also finished his degree. The other turned down his UC offer and went to the minors. Took $2,750,000 signing bonus. Spent about 5 years in the minors and now making 1.5 million a year - his max salary in the majors. No degree.

Spending time in college can turn out better if you're the real thing.

RE: MLB draft - OutsiderFan - 06-12-2020

The Giants between 1981 and 2010 had to be among the worst MLB talent developers in the league. It would be interesting to see team-specific data to compare if those numbers Mick posted are standard from team to team, or if there really is a big difference from franchise to franchise. I’m confident the Giants were among the worst in MLB at developing draft picks over that time.

My assumption is the Farhan Zaidi regime will be at least one standard deviation better at player development than whoever was running the Giants before him.

Here’s a random kick in the nuts for Giants fans about the MLB draft. In 1992, the Giants had the 6th pick and selected OF Calvin Murray from Texas who went on to play in 240 games with 627 PA, hit .240 with 8 HR, 26 2B, 52 RBI and 18 SB, and a 2.1 WAR.

Derek Jeter was drafted #5 by the Yankees.

lex24 - lex24 - 06-12-2020

(06-12-2020, 03:03 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote: The Giants between 1981 and 2010 had to be among the worst MLB talent developers in the league. It would be interesting to see team-specific data to compare if those numbers Mick posted are standard from team to team, or if there really is a big difference from franchise to franchise. I’m confident the Giants were among the worst in MLB at developing draft picks over that time.

My assumption is the Farhan Zaidi regime will be at least one standard deviation better at player development than whoever was running the Giants before him.

Here’s a random kick in the nuts for Giants fans about the MLB draft. In 1992, the Giants had the 6th pick and selected OF Calvin Murray from Texas who went on to play in 240 games with 627 PA, hit .240 with 8 HR, 26 2B, 52 RBI and 18 SB, and a 2.1 WAR.

Derek Jeter was drafted #5 by the Yankees.

They seemed to be pretty good at development starting around 07: Lincecum, Cain, Bum, Posey, Belt, Panik ( flamed out fast admittedly) Crawford, Pablo, Wilson. Romo. Pretty big pieces in their run.

As for the nut kick - all franchises can say that.

RE: MLB draft - BobK - 06-12-2020

Thanks Lex. Hard to believe they win the 2010 World Series with no farm system. Lol

RE: MLB draft - Phogge - 06-12-2020

Most incredible run was late 50's thru early '70's.

McCovey, Cepeda, Marichal, Perry, White, Brandt, Cardenal, Pagan, Hart, Haller, the Alou's, Mota, Foster, Goodson, Kingman, Speier, Kirkland, Wagner, Maddox, Matthews, others.

And still no WC and only one pennant.