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Pac-12 football is on again - CardinalSagehen - 09-16-2020
CA and Oregon have approved:
[tweet]https://twitter.com/pac12/status/1306368008877559808?s=21
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LA County swiftly approved within a couple hours of the CA announcement:
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https://twitter.com/wilnerhotline/status/1306415526827102208?s=21
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Presumably, SCC and the City of Berkeley (?) will follow suit in short order.
Wilner predicts a start on October 31 or November 7:
https://www.mercurynews.com/state-restrictions-lifted-for-pac-12-football-teams-in-california-oregon-the-path-back-just-got-easier
This is obviously all subject to how things go between now and then...
RE: Pac-12 football is on again - chrisk - 09-16-2020
ban together?
RE: Pac-12 football is on again - JustAnotherFan - 09-17-2020
This is stupid. At least the Pac-12 could have pretended to care about public safety and the health of the players (and staff). Now they just look desperate.
AND THEY WILL STILL GET LOCKED OUT OF THE COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYOFF!
RE: Pac-12 football is on again - Papa John - 09-17-2020
I respect your take, JAF, but here's a different perspective: the Pac-12 has taken the more responsible, albeit imperfect, route to this decision. They waited until quick-response testing was available, and that will seriously mitigate the risk of spread from athletes to other athletes and, more importantly, athletes to more vulnerable populations. They've also had a chance to observe and learn from those conferences that did not postpone their football seasons.
I was in favor of the Pac-12 putting on the brakes for fall sports, and, now that we have sufficient safety measures in place, I am in favor of resuming fall sports.
RE: Pac-12 football is on again - teejers1 - 09-17-2020
(09-17-2020, 08:44 AM)JustAnotherFan Wrote: This is stupid. At least the Pac-12 could have pretended to care about public safety and the health of the players (and staff). Now they just look desperate.
AND THEY WILL STILL GET LOCKED OUT OF THE COLLEGE FOOTBALL PLAYOFF!
No doubt colleges/universities are desperate for the $$.
Stanford isn't immune from that - certainly not the rest of the Pac.
And yes, I'm sure the league doesn't want to be relegated even further to college sports irrelevance. I doubt many have delusions about a Pac team making the CFP (though Duck fans might think they should be under consideration).
I also doubt the players will be negatively impacted health-wise; and you'll trot out the "unknown long-term health effects," and I'll reply with that's true right now, irrespective of Covid. Regardless, under the "unknown" logic any player testing positive should never play again, and that's a tough sell.
Like everything, it's an incremental risk-benefit analysis, and it appears that the Pac has fallen in line with other conferences regarding the conclusion of that analysis (though I wonder what the point is of an 7 game season). Ultimately, like any other "re-opening" decision, it's a policy choice based on various factors (money usually playing a significant role).
I don't get that worked up about these various re-opening decisions beyond the disappointment/frustration that K-12 education is not deemed "important enough" to "find a way" to get back in the classroom.
And if it's any comfort to you, remember that there is no guarantee that the CFB season will be completed . . . by any team or league. So you still have hope . . .
RE: Pac-12 football is on again - cardcrimson - 09-17-2020
As has been noted many times, Stanford should have a distinct advantage in the Pac-12 when football starts back up. Empty stadiums, the team is accustomed to them . . . .
RE: Pac-12 football is on again - BostonCard - 09-17-2020
(09-17-2020, 10:35 AM)teejers1 Wrote: I don't get that worked up about these various re-opening decisions beyond the disappointment/frustration that K-12 education is not deemed "important enough" to "find a way" to get back in the classroom.
Maybe it's just my Stanford elitism showing, but I would think that education would be pretty high on my list of essential activities, and pretty damned more important than a bunch of college kids moving a ball 100 yards.
BC
RE: Pac-12 football is on again - Farm93 - 09-17-2020
(09-17-2020, 12:33 PM)BostonCard Wrote:Other countries must snicker at the USA at this point. Pro and college sports are prioritized over K-12 and college education.(09-17-2020, 10:35 AM)teejers1 Wrote: I don't get that worked up about these various re-opening decisions beyond the disappointment/frustration that K-12 education is not deemed "important enough" to "find a way" to get back in the classroom.
Maybe it's just my Stanford elitism showing, but I would think that education would be pretty high on my list of essential activities, and pretty damned more important than a bunch of college kids moving a ball 100 yards.
BC
Limited real time testing resources are reserved for athletes rather than first responders, teachers, etc.
The access to real time testing is a game changer for the Pac-12 though. That approach should really reduce the rate of spread. It sure would be nice to have those resources for those saving lives and educating children, but I realize in the USA athletics at every level is just more important.
Given the Pac-12 is unlikely to get a CFP participant, the other bowl games are not that critical. It might be best for the Pac-12 to just keep playing right into January and February. Doubt that would happen, but would rather see the Pac-12 play 11 games than play 6 or 7 just to then watch 4 other conferences play in the CFP.
I trust we are looking at a 5+1 or 5+2 type structure or 7 or 8 weeks.
I would definitely be up for putting the Stanford v Cal game in a neutral venue so that we could get Big Games at Stanford in even years starting with 2022.
RE: Pac-12 football is on again - fullmetal - 09-17-2020
At least Jan/Feb games in the Pac-12 aren't affected by snow the way the B1G games are. And maybe when the rest of the conferences have played out their games, Pac-12 football will be the only show in town, and we can get some prime time slots.
One silver lining: we can beta test those real-time covid tests on the athletes before scaling up and rolling out to the population at large. Surely the manufacturers (and their investors) are dreaming of everyone using up a test every day and having some school district or private corporation paying for them.
RE: Pac-12 football is on again - gailtate - 09-17-2020
My biggest interest in a resumption of Stanford football is what Ivan Maisel mentioned in his discussion with Troy Clary last week: Playing games in 2020 should be a Big Reveal on where Shaw is taking the program. A losing season is an aberration. Back-to-back losing seasons is a trend.
RE: Pac-12 football is on again - cardcrimson - 09-17-2020
(09-17-2020, 12:33 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(09-17-2020, 10:35 AM)teejers1 Wrote: I don't get that worked up about these various re-opening decisions beyond the disappointment/frustration that K-12 education is not deemed "important enough" to "find a way" to get back in the classroom.
Maybe it's just my Stanford elitism showing, but I would think that education would be pretty high on my list of essential activities, and pretty damned more important than a bunch of college kids moving a ball 100 yards.
BC
Agree completely. With a kid just starting high school, sure was looking forward to getting kids back into the classrooms, at least part time. The high school had put together a great plan for hybrid learning, then came the mandate from the governor that no classes would be in person unless the county was off the watch list. Just as our county and several other major counties were about to meet the metrics to come off the watchlist, the goal posts changed, with some criteria tightening, others being eliminated. Now it'll be another month or so of all virtual learning.
At least outdoor waxing has finally been approved. Glad we have our priorities in place. . . .
RE: Pac-12 football is on again - teejers1 - 09-17-2020
(09-17-2020, 02:50 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:(09-17-2020, 12:33 PM)BostonCard Wrote:(09-17-2020, 10:35 AM)teejers1 Wrote: I don't get that worked up about these various re-opening decisions beyond the disappointment/frustration that K-12 education is not deemed "important enough" to "find a way" to get back in the classroom.
Maybe it's just my Stanford elitism showing, but I would think that education would be pretty high on my list of essential activities, and pretty damned more important than a bunch of college kids moving a ball 100 yards.
BC
Agree completely. With a kid just starting high school, sure was looking forward to getting kids back into the classrooms, at least part time. The high school had put together a great plan for hybrid learning, then came the mandate from the governor that no classes would be in person unless the county was off the watch list. Just as our county and several other major counties were about to meet the metrics to come off the watchlist, the goal posts changed, with some criteria tightening, others being eliminated. Now it'll be another month or so of all virtual learning.
At least outdoor waxing has finely been approved. Glad we have our priorities in place. . . .
I have re-named our abode "The House of Closed Doors" as 3 HS kids are in their respective rooms "distance learning," my wife is working in the living room, and I'm in our bedroom.
It's pretty depressing, to be frank. And my kids aren't doing as well as they would have (I firmly believe) with in-person classes. . . on all fronts. And we haven't even had really $hitty weather, yet, though the fire-induced air quality was like a mini-winter shut in.
RE: Pac-12 football is on again - Papa John - 09-17-2020
We're doing "pod-based" education for my 8th-grade son. A couple of times a week he goes to a friend's house. They have a large garage with lots of ventilation and have set up a few socially distanced workstations. The kids attend their online classes but can stay distanced or put on their masks and interact--pickle-ball, frisbee, baseball toss--between classes and during lunch. We return the favor one day a week. Has made a h.uge difference for my son, who was really depressed about the prospect of isolated online instruction for the foreseeable future.
Don't know about others, but the quality of education has improved somewhat from last spring, in my opinion. Not as good as in-person of course, but better than I expected.
RE: Pac-12 football is on again - CardinalSagehen - 09-17-2020
(09-17-2020, 03:40 PM)Papa John Wrote: Don't know about others, but the quality of education has improved somewhat from last spring, in my opinion. Not as good as in-person of course, but better than I expected.
I agree. We have 7th and 5th graders in PAUSD. There is no comparison to the asynchronous mess from the Spring.
My son told me this evening that it’s easier to get all his work done this year. “There’s just more time. I don’t HAVE to go hang around Piazza’s after school with the guys anymore!”
We are the lucky ones - our kids are old enough to function independently online, and young enough not to mind being stuck with us. My wife and I are both working from home if they need us for something. The kids each have their own Chromebook, a solid Internet connection and a quiet place to work. They have particularly great teachers this year. They don’t have special education needs. They have one or two friends that they’re keeping in touch with.
When I think about return to school, which is now up for a vote in PAUSD, I think it is most urgent for families with tougher situations than ours. And for that reason, I’m tentatively in favor of it, based on the schedule that is being presented, which is fairly conservative.