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OT. Kevin Cash - lex24 - 10-28-2020

Does a remarkable job, as does that franchise.  But sometimes you need to set the analytics aside and manage what you see.  Snell was dominate. Yes the last 5 hitters had made contact. Which I guess in today’s game means you are losing effectiveness - even though none of the 5 were hit particularly hard.  He was at about 73 pitches in his last game of the year. He had struck out the next three up - Betts, Seeger and Turner in all 6 at bats.  But it’s the third time through the order. And we’ve know what the numbers say. So out he comes.  And with itbthe ball game 

Snell looked pissed.  He should have been.  He was dealing.  Leave him in.  Scrap the math.  
Sometimes at least.

Dodgers were a far superior team. TB’s Order fron 6-9 is awful.  Eventually Dodgers would have won anyway. But man, I just don’t get how he pulls Snell.  I understand it’s “what he does”.  But sometimes I think the game dictates what you do.  That was one of those times.  

These playoffs also solidified the ridiculous reliance on homeruns and walks The percentage of runs that score as a result of homeruns is just absurd. Muncy is the poster child for the greatness of walks.  Jesus, how bout attacking him early and  throughout. He certainly has proven he won’t chase – and he ain’t Barry Bonds

I don’t know how they change it but they have to do something. To me the first order of business is getting rid of the shifts. At least make foor infields stay on the skin. If you want to put three to one side of second base fine – although if I was boss I wouldn’t allow that either. They need to get more balls in play having a chance to be hits. Because right now it doesn’t make sense to do anything other than grip it rip it and  try to hit home runs. And the strike outs are way too plentiful. 

Another thing I would do is make it illegal for players to bring out those little cheat sheets. What an awful look to see the pietcher  reach in his back pocket and pull out crib notes. Give me a break.

Finally - and I never thought I’d say this – I’d give some real thought to limiting the number of relievers a team can use in the game to 5.  Using 8-9 pitchers a game is just ridiculous. It lengthens the game.   And it leads to a bunch of clones coming out of the bullpen throwing 97 miles an hour for about 15 pitches.  

 I am generally a traditionalist when it comes to baseball - I don’t even like the DH. But they have to do something. It’s was in many ways a fun World Series; but every game is like four hours long with 25 strikeouts, some walks and then you’d wait for somebody to hit a homerun usually. A steady parade of pitchers. At least the Dodgers had a few actual rallies. Tampa Bay well they did have the hit from that kid in game four.

RE: OT. Kevin Cash - slide - 10-28-2020

agreed on Snell.  if that was the MadBum (in his prime) in the same situation, I could see him not giving up the ball to the manager or may be borrowing Bob Gibson's line to Tim McCarver (paraphrasing):  "what are you doing out here?  the only thing you know about good pitching is that you can't hit it."

on shift, batters just have to hit a few the other way, even if bunting.  key to offense is getting on base.

RE: OT. Kevin Cash - teejers1 - 10-28-2020

(10-28-2020, 11:27 AM)slide Wrote:  agreed on Snell.  if that was the MadBum (in his prime) in the same situation, I could see him not giving up the ball to the manager or may be borrowing Bob Gibson's line to Tim McCarver (paraphrasing):  "what are you doing out here?  the only thing you know about good pitching is that you can't hit it."

on shift, batters just have to hit a few the other way, even if bunting.  key to offense is getting on base.

The eye test still matters, even in this Analytics World.  And that doesn't even address heart.

But all I could think of was Gibson, Orel, Dave Stewart, and MadBum would have fought the manager on the mound to stay in the game - and thus, they would have been left in the game.  The game has changed . . . but not for the better.

And Lex, in the ideal world, players learn to hit the other way.  But I have to admit that I'm amazed anyone hits in this day and age, as pitcher after pitcher takes the mound and hurls 95+ cheese.  It's incredible . . .

lex24 - lex24 - 10-28-2020

The conventional wisdom is launch angle and exit velocity.  Gaps. Hitting the other way is not in the equation.  It’s all about power. And walks.

RE: OT. Kevin Cash - slide - 10-28-2020

Teejers -- i don't disagree with you, but your commentary did make me laugh thinking of Dave "Lucille" Stewart and his high-pitched voice going head to head with his manager.  it would definitely be worth the price of admission.

RE: OT. Kevin Cash - Phogge - 10-29-2020

Stewart was a better pitcher than a judge of “talent” in his choice of “dates” when he was on the road for the Rangers in 1985. His date Lucille was a revelation.

RE: OT. Kevin Cash - BobK - 10-29-2020

Ah Phogge I remember well but was t going to post that lol.

RE: OT. Kevin Cash - terry - 10-29-2020

In Game 7 of the 1964 World Series, the Cardinals' manager, Johnny Keane, left Bob Gibson in the game in the 9th inning even though Gibson, who was obviously fatigued, gave up two solo homers during the inning. Gibson closed it out by retiring Bobby Richardson (with Maris and Mantle due up next). Keane later said:

“He didn’t pitch only with his arm. He pitched with his heart. He’s got lots of heart … I went all the way with him because I was committed to this fellow’s heart.”

I think there's a place for that in today's game. You can't make every decision by relying on spreadsheets.

RE: OT. Kevin Cash - Phogge - 10-29-2020

The Yanks fired Yogi after the Series and hired Keane away from the Cards. Of course Keane was fired after two years. Who replaced him and who replaced him in '65 in St.Louis?

RE: OT. Kevin Cash - gailtate - 10-29-2020

(10-29-2020, 12:55 PM)terry Wrote:  In Game 7 of the 1964 World Series, the Cardinals' manager, Johnny Keane, left Bob Gibson in the game in the 9th inning even though Gibson, who was obviously fatigued, gave up two solo homers during the inning. Gibson closed it out by retiring Bobby Richardson (with Maris and Mantle due up next). Keane later said:

“He didn’t pitch only with his arm. He pitched with his heart. He’s got lots of heart … I went all the way with him because I was committed to this fellow’s heart.”

I think there's a place for that in today's game. You can't make every decision by relying on spreadsheets.

His team's utter collapse in the 1990 WS aside, Tony LaRussa's old formula still resonates: There are three seasons inside every year of baseball: the regular season of 162 games, the playoffs and then the World Series. Each requires its own strategies and tactics. What you did throughout the long season won't guarantee success in a short series of 5 or 7 games. On the contrary.

RE: OT. Kevin Cash - BobK - 10-29-2020

Red Schoendienst was one of the two

RE: OT. Kevin Cash - Phogge - 10-29-2020

Ralph Houk came back for a second go round for the Bombers.

RE: OT. Kevin Cash - BostonCard - 10-29-2020

(10-29-2020, 02:15 PM)gailtate Wrote:  
(10-29-2020, 12:55 PM)terry Wrote:  In Game 7 of the 1964 World Series, the Cardinals' manager, Johnny Keane, left Bob Gibson in the game in the 9th inning even though Gibson, who was obviously fatigued, gave up two solo homers during the inning. Gibson closed it out by retiring Bobby Richardson (with Maris and Mantle due up next). Keane later said:

“He didn’t pitch only with his arm. He pitched with his heart. He’s got lots of heart … I went all the way with him because I was committed to this fellow’s heart.”

I think there's a place for that in today's game. You can't make every decision by relying on spreadsheets.

His team's utter collapse in the 1990 WS aside, Tony LaRussa's old formula still resonates: There are three seasons inside every year of baseball: the regular season of 162 games, the playoffs and then the World Series. Each requires its own strategies and tactics. What you did throughout the long season won't guarantee success in a short series of 5 or 7 games. On the contrary.

Speaking of LaRussa, he just got hired by the White Socks.

BC

RE: OT. Kevin Cash - PVTree - 10-29-2020

(10-29-2020, 05:01 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  
(10-29-2020, 02:15 PM)gailtate Wrote:  
(10-29-2020, 12:55 PM)terry Wrote:  In Game 7 of the 1964 World Series, the Cardinals' manager, Johnny Keane, left Bob Gibson in the game in the 9th inning even though Gibson, who was obviously fatigued, gave up two solo homers during the inning. Gibson closed it out by retiring Bobby Richardson (with Maris and Mantle due up next). Keane later said:

“He didn’t pitch only with his arm. He pitched with his heart. He’s got lots of heart … I went all the way with him because I was committed to this fellow’s heart.”

I think there's a place for that in today's game. You can't make every decision by relying on spreadsheets.

His team's utter collapse in the 1990 WS aside, Tony LaRussa's old formula still resonates: There are three seasons inside every year of baseball: the regular season of 162 games, the playoffs and then the World Series. Each requires its own strategies and tactics. What you did throughout the long season won't guarantee success in a short series of 5 or 7 games. On the contrary.

Speaking of LaRussa, he just got hired by the White Socks.

BC

Actually, it's the White Sox. ;) 

Although a Cubbie fan, I'm that rare Chicago fan who does not dislike that Southside team.