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Why do we make football schedule so brutal? - Stanfordindians1again - 07-15-2021
yes, yadda yadda we want to see how good we really are etc.
But everyone else schedules 2 wins in the pre season. With rankings and playoff implications, its time to drop the murders row Domers, KState, Vanderbilt and keep the Domers and put in Idaho State and Portland St.
Yes I want to be entertained but with the PAC schedule and NDame, that is plenty to get us in the top rankings wise.
Just win! Go Cardinal!
RE: Why do we make football schedule so brutal? - SamuelMcF - 07-15-2021
The schedule for this year was finalized FIVE YEARS AGO.
This won't happen again.
RE: Why do we make football schedule so brutal? - oldalum - 07-15-2021
(07-15-2021, 10:19 AM)Stanfordindians1again Wrote: its time to drop the murders row Domers, KState, Vanderbilt and keep the Domers and put in Idaho State and Portland St.I don't think I would include Vandy as part of a Murderer's Row: 0-9 last season and with a new head coach. Good time to have them on the schedule.
RE: Why do we make football schedule so brutal? - BostonCard - 07-15-2021
Right. Even Kansas State is not exactly a murderer's row for a POwer 5 team. They finished with a Sagarin ranking of 68 and a 4-6 record last year.
BC
RE: Why do we make football schedule so brutal? - Goose - 07-15-2021
(07-15-2021, 10:58 AM)SamuelMcF Wrote: The schedule for this year was finalized FIVE YEARS AGO.
This won't happen again.
It might for exactly the reason you cite. Schedules that look reasonable at the time they are agreed to can be an entirely different thing five years later.
RE: Why do we make football schedule so brutal? - ColoradoTree - 07-15-2021
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you schedule a difficult schedule and don't win enough, you can miss out on bowls altogether, or at least better bowls. If you schedule an easier schedule and go undefeated, the weaker schedule means you're left out of the playoff picture.
In general, I'm a big fan of only scheduling Power 5 teams, and I thought it was reasonable to have teams like K State and Vandy on there. We ought to beat teams like that, and we'll get a heck of a lot more credit for beating them than we'd get for beating, say, UC Davis. And I'm certainly not going to complain about Notre Dame ever being on the schedule.
In retrospect, a slightly easier schedule in 2019 might have gotten us to 6-6, but as long as the scheduling goal appears to be "middling to respectable but not great Power 5" teams outside of Notre Dame, I'm on board with that. UCF in 2019 was a far tougher draw than expected when we scheduled them, so I can't be too mad about that, either.
RE: Why do we make football schedule so brutal? - winflop - 07-15-2021
(07-15-2021, 11:59 AM)ColoradoTree Wrote: I'm on board with that. UCF in 2019 was a far tougher draw than expected when we scheduled them, so I can't be too mad about that, either.
Scheduling a ROAD game against a G5 team is always a STUPID idea, especially one that requires a 6h flight. I know it was a home-and-home. It was stupid to agree to a home and home with a G5 team
RE: Why do we make football schedule so brutal? - DC 86 - 07-15-2021
(07-15-2021, 11:59 AM)ColoradoTree Wrote: Damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you schedule a difficult schedule and don't win enough, you can miss out on bowls altogether, or at least better bowls. If you schedule an easier schedule and go undefeated, the weaker schedule means you're left out of the playoff picture.
Well, there's never been an undefeated P5 (or Notre Dame) team that's been left out of the playoff, and there certainly won't be with the expanded playoff.
The committee has talked incessantly about rewarding teams that schedule tough opponents but their actions have been the opposite since the inception of the CFP. Losses have carried far more weight than "good wins" and the selections have more or less strictly followed W/L records without much regard to strength of schedule. Perhaps this is changing, but at this point the best path to the CFP unfortunately consists in part on a weak OOC schedule that results in 3-4 likely wins.
RE: Why do we make football schedule so brutal? - ColoradoTree - 07-15-2021
(07-15-2021, 12:02 PM)winflop Wrote:(07-15-2021, 11:59 AM)ColoradoTree Wrote: I'm on board with that. UCF in 2019 was a far tougher draw than expected when we scheduled them, so I can't be too mad about that, either.
Scheduling a ROAD game against a G5 team is always a STUPID idea, especially one that requires a 6h flight. I know it was a home-and-home. It was stupid to agree to a home and home with a G5 team
Scheduling a game in Florida (that we probably expected to win when we scheduled it) so Florida recruits can see us play in person isn't all-caps stupid, I don't think. And of the Florida teams we could have traveled to play, I'd rather see us schedule UCF than FSU, UF, FAU, FIU, or USF.
Now, it's not at the top of my list of teams in the Southeast I'd rather see us schedule home-and-homes against, sure. I'd prefer Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech, Duke, and even UNC. But Florida is incredibly rich recruiting ground--it produces more top 100 recruits than any state except Texas--so showing up there every once in a while to play a game has some merit.
RE: Why do we make football schedule so brutal? - Canalejas - 07-15-2021
If we do want to change how we schedule I wouldn't be opposed to reducing the frequency of the ND matchup.
RE: Why do we make football schedule so brutal? - Phogge - 07-15-2021
The Domers are entitled to 12 wins a year. Don't you guys read their site? F*** them.
RE: Why do we make football schedule so brutal? - chrisk - 07-15-2021
The last ND game booked on Stanford’s schedule is 2024. USC has them booked through 2026.
Meanwhile, Stanford has BYU booked 7 times in the next 14 years.
RE: Why do we make football schedule so brutal? - old spanish trail - 07-15-2021
I like the schedule...or will, if we are any good.
RE: Why do we make football schedule so brutal? - SamuelMcF - 07-15-2021
(07-15-2021, 07:30 PM)chrisk Wrote: The last ND game booked on Stanford’s schedule is 2024. USC has them booked through 2026.
Meanwhile, Stanford has BYU booked 7 times in the next 14 years.
Yeah, the most recent OOC series we've booked have been that extension of BYU and a new series against Hawaii. We have home-and-homes with TCU and Boston College in the future (not in the same seasons!) that were scheduled a few years ago. Only the first TCU game overlaps with the final ND game in 2024.
2022: Colgate, @ND, BYU
2023: @Hawaii, Sacramento State, ND
2024: TCU, Cal Poly, @ND
RE: Why do we make football schedule so brutal? - Giants - 07-15-2021
(07-15-2021, 08:03 PM)SamuelMcF Wrote:(07-15-2021, 07:30 PM)chrisk Wrote: The last ND game booked on Stanford’s schedule is 2024. USC has them booked through 2026.
Meanwhile, Stanford has BYU booked 7 times in the next 14 years.
Yeah, the most recent OOC series we've booked have been that extension of BYU and a new series against Hawaii. We have home-and-homes with TCU and Boston College in the future (not in the same seasons!) that were scheduled a few years ago. Only the first TCU game overlaps with the final ND game in 2024.
2022: Colgate, @ND, BYU
2023: @Hawaii, Sacramento State, ND
2024: TCU, Cal Poly, @ND
Those schedules reflect the Pac12 conference norm. It appears this season is a “one-off”. If it happened every year, it would be something to complain about but it isn’t. No harm; no foul.
RE: Why do we make football schedule so brutal? - SamuelMcF - 07-16-2021
2024 and 2027 are the only future seasons with 2 P5 OOC, for the record. Yes, even that's too many IMO (there is no reward for doing it beyond playing near recruits), but it's not an every year thing.
This season's schedule is just awful timing with the most in-doubt team Shaw has ever had.
RE: Why do we make football schedule so brutal? - Giants - 07-16-2021
(07-16-2021, 08:38 AM)SamuelMcF Wrote: 2024 and 2027 are the only future seasons with 2 P5 OOC, for the record. Yes, even that's too many IMO (there is no reward for doing it beyond playing near recruits), but it's not an every year thing.
This season's schedule is just awful timing with the most in-doubt team Shaw has ever had.
And one of those years (2027) includes Vandy.
This discussion reminds me of what happened after the SEC mandated that every team schedule at least one P5 school each year on their future schedules. Auburn immediately signed a home and home with Cal figuring that they needed to snap up a P5 bottom feeder before anyone could get in line ahead of them.
In other words, scheduling a perennially lousy P5 team doesn’t really move the needle on the “tough schedule” meter.
RE: Why do we make football schedule so brutal? - SamuelMcF - 07-16-2021
(07-16-2021, 09:40 AM)Giants Wrote:(07-16-2021, 08:38 AM)SamuelMcF Wrote: 2024 and 2027 are the only future seasons with 2 P5 OOC, for the record. Yes, even that's too many IMO (there is no reward for doing it beyond playing near recruits), but it's not an every year thing.
This season's schedule is just awful timing with the most in-doubt team Shaw has ever had.
And one of those years (2027) includes Vandy.
This discussion reminds me of what happened after the SEC mandated that every team schedule at least one P5 school each year on their future schedules. Auburn immediately signed a home and home with Cal figuring that they needed to snap up a P5 bottom feeder before anyone could get in line ahead of them.
In other words, scheduling a perennially lousy P5 team doesn’t really move the needle on the “tough schedule” meter.
I remember that. Over half the P5 immediately called Kansas. (Not a joke. That really happened.)
RE: Why do we make football schedule so brutal? - BostonCard - 07-16-2021
(07-16-2021, 08:38 AM)SamuelMcF Wrote: 2024 and 2027 are the only future seasons with 2 P5 OOC, for the record. Yes, even that's too many IMO (there is no reward for doing it beyond playing near recruits), but it's not an every year thing.
This season's schedule is just awful timing with the most in-doubt team Shaw has ever had.
Well, as a spectator it is more fun to watch games against decent teams (that's not necessarily synonymous with P5 teams, of course) where the outcome is in doubt. Beating Sac State or Cal Poly doesn't exactly move the entertainment needle, as evidenced by the fact that when we do play teams like that at home, attendance is typically awful. I suspect it doesn't exactly get our players juices going either.
BC
RE: Why do we make football schedule so brutal? - Goose - 07-16-2021
(07-16-2021, 10:06 AM)BostonCard Wrote:Yes, in the past it often didn't get the juices going, and as a result, we lost. Maybe that is "in the past", but for some reason I think that on any given day we can play down to their level.(07-16-2021, 08:38 AM)SamuelMcF Wrote: 2024 and 2027 are the only future seasons with 2 P5 OOC, for the record. Yes, even that's too many IMO (there is no reward for doing it beyond playing near recruits), but it's not an every year thing.
This season's schedule is just awful timing with the most in-doubt team Shaw has ever had.
Well, as a spectator it is more fun to watch games against decent teams (that's not necessarily synonymous with P5 teams, of course) where the outcome is in doubt. Beating Sac State or Cal Poly doesn't exactly move the entertainment needle, as evidenced by the fact that when we do play teams like that at home, attendance is typically awful. I suspect it doesn't exactly get our players juices going either.
BC