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Stanford favored by 1.5 over Kansas St. - Row80Critic - 07-19-2021
According to Vegasinsider.com, Stanford opened as a 1.5pt underdog, but quickly moved to a 1.5pt favorite. Sounds like a lock to me. ;)
RE: Stanford favored by 1.5 over Kansas St. - BostonCard - 07-19-2021
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RE: Stanford favored by 1.5 over Kansas St. - teejers1 - 07-19-2021
(07-19-2021, 06:18 PM)Row80Critic Wrote: According to Vegasinsider.com, Stanford opened as a 1.5pt underdog, but quickly moved to a 1.5pt favorite. Sounds like a lock to me. ;)
K-State will win . . . perhaps handily.
RE: Stanford favored by 1.5 over Kansas St. - CowboyIndian - 07-19-2021
(07-19-2021, 09:47 PM)teejers1 Wrote: K-State will win . . . perhaps handily.
You are laughably predictable.
RE: Stanford favored by 1.5 over Kansas St. - JohnR34231 - 07-20-2021
(07-19-2021, 06:18 PM)Row80Critic Wrote: According to Vegasinsider.com, Stanford opened as a 1.5pt underdog, but quickly moved to a 1.5pt favorite. Sounds like a lock to me. ;)
I would rate the game as pretty much a toss up, so that makes sense to me.
RE: Stanford favored by 1.5 over Kansas St. - winflop - 07-20-2021
Opening as an underdog to a team that was 0-fer last season and has a new head coach is illustrative of the lack of respect for Stanford Football (and the Pac-12). That it has only swung to a 1.5-point favorite shows how little the broader market thinks as well.
Gotta make them pay for their pessimism, and hopefully our new commissioner can right the ship a bit
RE: Stanford favored by 1.5 over Kansas St. - DC 86 - 07-20-2021
(07-20-2021, 06:45 AM)winflop Wrote: Opening as an underdog to a team that was 0-fer last season and has a new head coach is illustrative of the lack of respect for Stanford Football (and the Pac-12).
Maybe you're thinking of Kansas. Kansas State was 4-6 last year including road wins at Oklahoma and TCU.
RE: Stanford favored by 1.5 over Kansas St. - Papa John - 08-02-2021
It's almost impossible to judge how good K-State will be in 2021 based on 2020. Last year the Wildcats lost their first game to Arkansas State but had more than 20 players out due to Covid issues. K-State then beat Oklahoma in Norman, but the Wildcats' starting QB got hurt in the next game and they had to turn to a freshman QB. They managed to beat Texas Tech, TCU and Kansas, but then the metaphorical wheels fell off the bus and they ended the season with a five-game losing streak.
The Wildcats were picked to finish 7th (out of 10) in the Big 12 in the media preseason poll in 2021. However, the original starting QB from last year, Skylar Thompson, is returning, so I expect a real test for our defense.
RE: Stanford favored by 1.5 over Kansas St. - Believer - 08-02-2021
(07-19-2021, 09:47 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(07-19-2021, 06:18 PM)Row80Critic Wrote: According to Vegasinsider.com, Stanford opened as a 1.5pt underdog, but quickly moved to a 1.5pt favorite. Sounds like a lock to me. ;)
K-State will win . . . perhaps handily.
What a great take. Do you think they will win handily because of their geographic location, the fact that they lost their last 5 games by a overwhelming 201-90 or because they have really neat uniforms?
RE: Stanford favored by 1.5 over Kansas St. - CompSci87 - 08-02-2021
(08-02-2021, 12:43 PM)Believer Wrote:(07-19-2021, 09:47 PM)teejers1 Wrote:(07-19-2021, 06:18 PM)Row80Critic Wrote: According to Vegasinsider.com, Stanford opened as a 1.5pt underdog, but quickly moved to a 1.5pt favorite. Sounds like a lock to me. ;)
K-State will win . . . perhaps handily.
What a great take. Do you think they will win handily because of their geographic location, the fact that they lost their last 5 games by a overwhelming 201-90 or because they have really neat uniforms?
Or because their head coach is anyone but Shaw, OC is anyone but Pritchard, X is anyone but Y, etc.? Sorry, I have been reading the Rivals board where negativity is more rampant than here.
RE: Stanford favored by 1.5 over Kansas St. - gailtate - 08-02-2021
(08-02-2021, 12:10 PM)Papa John Wrote: It's almost impossible to judge how good K-State will be in 2021 based on 2020. Last year the Wildcats lost their first game to Arkansas State but had more than 20 players out due to Covid issues. K-State then beat Oklahoma in Norman, but the Wildcats' starting QB got hurt in the next game and they had to turn to a freshman QB. They managed to beat Texas Tech, TCU and Kansas, but then the metaphorical wheels fell off the bus and they ended the season with a five-game losing streak.
The Wildcats were picked to finish 7th (out of 10) in the Big 12 in the media preseason poll in 2021. However, the original starting QB from last year, Skylar Thompson, is returning, so I expect a real test for our defense.
So their starter at the beginning of last season returns as QB, as does the backup frosh who beat TTech and TCU. They play what is essentially a "home" game time-zone wise next month. Stanford lost the core of squad that finished 2020 with four straight wins. Untested QB. Good (not great) RBs, good (not great) receiving corps. and question marks all over the roster. Historically, not the best first-game-on-the-road-in-a-different-time-zone track record. Cats will have noise on their side. Not that it counts for much. But still. Cardinal must score early and often, all season long--beginning in Texas at 9AM. Edge to K-State. A slight one but an edge nonetheless.
RE: Stanford favored by 1.5 over Kansas St. - Phogge - 08-02-2021
How can anyone put out a line after a season of turmoil. Only think certain is that Chase Young will buy a car and be a chick magnet.
RE: Stanford favored by 1.5 over Kansas St. - gailtate - 08-02-2021
(08-02-2021, 04:58 PM)Phogge Wrote: How can anyone put out a line after a season of turmoil. Only think certain is that Chase Young will buy a car and be a chick magnet.
Phogge, you of all people should know that anybody can put a line on anything.
RE: Stanford favored by 1.5 over Kansas St. - Papa John - 08-02-2021
(08-02-2021, 03:12 PM)gailtate Wrote:(08-02-2021, 12:10 PM)Papa John Wrote: It's almost impossible to judge how good K-State will be in 2021 based on 2020. Last year the Wildcats lost their first game to Arkansas State but had more than 20 players out due to Covid issues. K-State then beat Oklahoma in Norman, but the Wildcats' starting QB got hurt in the next game and they had to turn to a freshman QB. They managed to beat Texas Tech, TCU and Kansas, but then the metaphorical wheels fell off the bus and they ended the season with a five-game losing streak.
The Wildcats were picked to finish 7th (out of 10) in the Big 12 in the media preseason poll in 2021. However, the original starting QB from last year, Skylar Thompson, is returning, so I expect a real test for our defense.
So their starter at the beginning of last season returns as QB, as does the backup frosh who beat TTech and TCU. They play what is essentially a "home" game time-zone wise next month. Stanford lost the core of squad that finished 2020 with four straight wins. Untested QB. Good (not great) RBs, good (not great) receiving corps. and question marks all over the roster. Historically, not the best first-game-on-the-road-in-a-different-time-zone track record. Cats will have noise on their side. Not that it counts for much. But still. Cardinal must score early and often, all season long--beginning in Texas at 9AM. Edge to K-State. A slight one but an edge nonetheless.
That's certainly a fair analysis, gailtate. I think that, overall, Stanford has better talent--K-State's recruiting classes are typically ranked in the 50s or 60s nationally--but lacks experience and depth in key areas, as you note. One other factor that can't be overlooked based on last year is whether or not both teams are healthy and Covid-free.
RE: Stanford favored by 1.5 over Kansas St. - Phogge - 08-02-2021
LOL. In between administrations I threw out many lines. Every now and then I got a bite. Many snags.
RE: Stanford favored by 1.5 over Kansas St. - 82lsju - 08-02-2021
(08-02-2021, 04:58 PM)Phogge Wrote: How can anyone put out a line after a season of turmoil. Only think certain is that Chase Young will buy a car and be a chick magnet.
casinos got to make money......of course I'm guessing the Stanford-KSU game is not bringing in a brobdingnagian amount of wagers.......
RE: Stanford favored by 1.5 over Kansas St. - old spanish trail - 08-02-2021
I remain fairly optimistic. McKee looks really promising me. 3 quite good rbs. Excellent OL needs only find a center, and all the inside guys are taking their turns. Receivers are good enuf, and perhaps better than that. The soph 3 star TE is on the Mackey list and expectations are very high.
On D, once again, this time per Thomas Booker, we are told to expect big things of JMF and Miezan at LB. Damuni was quite good, I thought, and everybody expects the late addition incoming frosh to start at OLB. That leaves several other pretty good OLBs to battle it out . DL has a couple of good players. Are there enuf for a warm game? Dunno. Kelly and Salim-Muhammed are way better than average if they can hold up for the season. S is an unknown....and, yes, it's an important position.
Anybody have additional thoughts re DL and S, and where will Aristotle play?
RE: Stanford favored by 1.5 over Kansas St. - Farm93 - 08-02-2021
Papa John,
I agree that COVID-19 could potentially play a role.
Stanford students will need to be vaccinated to be on campus, that should mean all Stanford football players will be vaccinated.
Meanwhile Kansas State only recommends students get vaccinated.
Given that vaccination situation I would think taking Stanford now is a better bet because I have to think Delta will feast on teams with unvaccinated players.
FWIW - I don't know how many K-State players are unvaccinated but I believe they will have at least a few since their university rate was in the 70% range in July.
RE: Stanford favored by 1.5 over Kansas St. - SamuelMcF - 08-03-2021
(08-02-2021, 08:23 PM)old spanish trail Wrote: I remain fairly optimistic. McKee looks really promising me. 3 quite good rbs. Excellent OL needs only find a center, and all the inside guys are taking their turns. Receivers are good enuf, and perhaps better than that. The soph 3 star TE is on the Mackey list and expectations are very high.
On D, once again, this time per Thomas Booker, we are told to expect big things of JMF and Miezan at LB. Damuni was quite good, I thought, and everybody expects the late addition incoming frosh to start at OLB. That leaves several other pretty good OLBs to battle it out . DL has a couple of good players. Are there enuf for a warm game? Dunno. Kelly and Salim-Muhammed are way better than average if they can hold up for the season. S is an unknown....and, yes, it's an important position.
Anybody have additional thoughts re DL and S, and where will Aristotle play?
Nobody expects the new frosh Aybar to start at OLB. The starters will be Jordan Fox and Stephen Herron. Aybar might work his way into rotating a little bit, but if health holds up he should be able to RS behind guys like Andres Fox and Loa Kaufusi. If he plays much, that's an arrow up on him.
DL is very thin, as usual. Booker and DWP will be fine but after that...yikes. Tucker Fisk should have moved over 1-2 years ago, but better late than never. What impact will he have? Will Ryan Johnson give us anything? Will Josh Pakola return, and if so will he be able to play after some time off the team? Will Tobin Phillips give us anything? Aristotle is a DE through and through, but has not gotten to campus yet as he is a walk-on. A couple of the frosh have bulked up big time in the past month and a half.
Kendall Williamson and Jonathan McGill are the starting S tandem, and assuming health this would still probably be the worst position on defense. But McGill just went through surgery per his Instagram. The position continues to be a disaster under "the best DB coach in college football," and it will take another year or 2 to rectify I believe: RS Fr Alakai Gilman and Omari Porter (switched over from CB) are unknown quantities, the frosh cavalry have arrived, and we will have even more reinforcements in '22. The amount of PT Noah Williams gets will directly correlate with how bad our pass D is.
(08-02-2021, 08:33 PM)Farm93 Wrote: Papa John,
I agree that COVID-19 could potentially play a role.
Stanford students will need to be vaccinated to be on campus, that should mean all Stanford football players will be vaccinated.
Meanwhile Kansas State only recommends students get vaccinated.
Given that vaccination situation I would think taking Stanford now is a better bet because I have to think Delta will feast on teams with unvaccinated players.
FWIW - I don't know how many K-State players are unvaccinated but I believe they will have at least a few since their university rate was in the 70% range in July.
All but 4-5 football players are vaccinated per Shaw.
RE: Stanford favored by 1.5 over Kansas St. - BostonCard - 08-03-2021
(08-03-2021, 11:36 AM)SamuelMcF Wrote: DL is very thin, as usual. Booker and DWP will be fine but after that...yikes. Tucker Fisk should have moved over 1-2 years ago, but better late than never. What impact will he have? Will Ryan Johnson give us anything? Will Josh Pakola return, and if so will he be able to play after some time off the team? Will Tobin Phillips give us anything? Aristotle is a DE through and through, but has not gotten to campus yet as he is a walk-on. A couple of the frosh have bulked up big time in the past month and a half.
It's not like there was a ton of depth at TE behind Parkinson when he left early.
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