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Watching televised football games outside US - pcgoode - 09-02-2021
There have been some posts on this before, but I would appreciate hearing from anyone on how to do this. I had a solution that worked for years but it won’t work going forward.
RE: Watching televised football games outside US - PVTree - 09-02-2021
I believe if you get sling + a VPN, it should work.
When you get a definitive answer/solution, let me know as I will be in the same situation in a few years.
RE: Watching televised football games outside US - pcgoode - 09-02-2021
Thanks. I’ve tried that route and it didn’t work very well - various online media outlets have figured out a way that someone may be using a VPN, and that the viewer is outside the US. Thinking about trying Tor to see if that will work.
RE: Watching televised football games outside US - M T - 09-02-2021
Most TOR exit nodes are generally well known and effectively blocked by those that care. (Try Googling via TOR. FYI, Tails is a product that uses TOR networks)
The problem with any of the VPN services is that regional content providers can just as easily get the VPN server IPs and block them.
I would pair up with someone in the US, get them to make their home network a VPN endpoint for you (they run a remote-access OpenVPN server, you would be the only user of it), and then view it through their ISP. They lose some bandwidth, but for most people, it won't be too much. They are put at some risk that you (or someone who piggy backs on your connection) will do something illegal for which they might get in trouble.
For what you want, you don't really need to do the encryption part of the VPN server & client. You could configure it for the lowest (or no?) encryption. That will make your CPU usage at the client and server less. If you've got someone network-savvy, I'd look into setting up a GRE tunnel. (I'm not sure that will work, but it is another possibility.)
However, be sure to read the provider's terms & conditions carefully. They likely will prohibit such a configuration, perhaps calling it a re-transmission (although, I'm not sure how you could distinguish it from the normal routing in the network -- the only thing unusual is where you are, but that might be enough).
I believe if you use (say) OpenWRT routers at your end & an end in the US, then you can do either OpenVPN or GRE. (Anything fancy on OpenWRT is not for the faint of skill.)
I would be remiss if I didn't point out that there are a lot of bogus "VPN" software and services. And, if you think you're hiding where you're going, think again. The only entity that loses that information is your ISP (but they may be getting all your host name lookups). Now it is your VPN provider that gets all that information.
I've wondered whether Sling Watch Parties might be a way to get someone out of the region a chance to watch a regional source. I've not tried to use a watch party as I rewind at every questioned call, which tends to drive others crazy.
P.S. If I were a content provider, I can probably detect that a customer is getting data through tunneling (VPN or GRE), especially if they are 1000 miles away. Hmm.... If you were running my imagined app, I could probably make your reception virtually unusable.
RE: Watching televised football games outside US - gailtate - 09-02-2021
(09-02-2021, 05:20 PM)M T Wrote: Most TOR exit nodes are generally well known and effectively blocked by those that care. (Try Googling via TOR. FYI, Tails is a product that uses TOR networks)
The problem with any of the VPN services is that regional content providers can just as easily get the VPN server IPs and block them.
I would pair up with someone in the US, get them to make their home network a VPN endpoint for you (they run a remote-access OpenVPN server, you would be the only user of it), and then view it through their ISP. They lose some bandwidth, but for most people, it won't be too much. They are put at some risk that you (or someone who piggy backs on your connection) will do something illegal for which they might get in trouble.
For what you want, you don't really need to do the encryption part of the VPN server & client. You could configure it for the lowest (or no?) encryption. That will make your CPU usage at the client and server less. If you've got someone network-savvy, I'd look into setting up a GRE tunnel. (I'm not sure that will work, but it is another possibility.)
However, be sure to read the provider's terms & conditions carefully. They likely will prohibit such a configuration, perhaps calling it a re-transmission (although, I'm not sure how you could distinguish it from the normal routing in the network -- the only thing unusual is where you are, but that might be enough).
I believe if you use (say) OpenWRT routers at your end & an end in the US, then you can do either OpenVPN or GRE. (Anything fancy on OpenWRT is not for the faint of skill.)
I would be remiss if I didn't point out that there are a lot of bogus "VPN" software and services. And, if you think you're hiding where you're going, think again. The only entity that loses that information is your ISP (but they may be getting all your host name lookups). Now it is your VPN provider that gets all that information.
I've wondered whether Sling Watch Parties might be a way to get someone out of the region a chance to watch a regional source. I've not tried to use a watch party as I rewind at every questioned call, which tends to drive others crazy.
P.S. If I were a content provider, I can probably detect that a customer is getting data through tunneling (VPN or GRE), especially if they are 1000 miles away. Hmm.... If you were running my imagined app, I could probably make your reception virtually unusable.
Chance you can translate this?
RE: Watching televised football games outside US - BostonCard - 09-02-2021
Dumb question. Could one set up a zoom call or equivalent and then share one's screen with a game on? (I am asking from a technical perspective; I am nearly certain that it would be against somebody's ToS)
BC
RE: Watching televised football games outside US - M T - 09-02-2021
(09-02-2021, 05:49 PM)gailtate Wrote: Chance you can translate this?
No on TOR.
Go DIY VPN or GRE.
CYA.
GFL.
;-)
(09-02-2021, 06:02 PM)BostonCard Wrote: Dumb question. Could one set up a zoom call or equivalent and then share one's screen with a game on? (I am asking from a technical perspective; I am nearly certain that it would be against somebody's ToS)You would get a sequence of
BC
I was on a Skype call between West & East Coast yesterday (corporate internet feeds at both ends)
All the video was camera feed (not screen), so probably less resolution.
I noticed:
1. Audio & Video didn't sync by maybe a half second.
2. Video refresh wasn't fast enough to see someone typing but maybe 1 of 5 characters.
Zoom says a dual core processor tops out at 5 frames per second (TV is normally 30). A quad core or higher will give better performance.
They indicate a screen sharing session requires 75Kbps (which is a negligible amount). Hopefully that can be much bigger. Transmitting a 1024x768 24-bit (8bit each of R,G,B) image is 19Mbits and would take 4 minutes at that rate without compression. So you need to compress by 1000 (5x4x60) or so, most of which will be that pixels don't change often, so you don't transmit them the second time. But, a fast changing image (consider basketball, or during a football play) will violate that. So I doubt the action will be very well presented.
The experiment would be easy enough to do. Zoom with a friend, and each of you share your screen while showing a football game from Youtube.
My experience with residential ISPs is that bandwidth & latency bounces around a lot, but that may be better with fiber. Variability will cause more issues when watching.
RE: Watching televised football games outside US - pcgoode - 09-03-2021
Thanks for the various responses. I live in Canada and it turns out a local pub will have the game on (how they are getting I have no clue). The frustrating thing about all of this is that I am more than willing to pay a reasonable price to see the game, but it literally is not available to the general public here - you can’t get Fox Sports 1 on cable or via streaming here (or ESPN or a bunch of other specialty sports channels). Some of the bigger games will be broadcast by the legacy networks or Canada’s sports broadcaster, TSN, but otherwise for about half of the Cardinal schedule, I am left scrambling. So ridiculous and I can’t believe that it would be that much of a burden or cost to make it available legally in Canada for people willing to pay.