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Big Game at 4pm PT on Sat 20 Nov 2021 - 82lsju - 11-08-2021
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RE: Big Game at 4pm PT on Sat 20 Nov 2021 - OutsiderFan - 11-08-2021
Has a label for something ever been more incorrect?
Please point out to me how many times the "Big Game" was actually big? It has never been played with winner taking North division. Has it ever been played to decide the conference champion?
It couldn't be less big this year if it isn't even played.
RE: Big Game at 4pm PT on Sat 20 Nov 2021 - BobK - 11-08-2021
Here’s one. Well a was a exciting moment for me
https://youtu.be/NOzRGH_8Ops
RE: Big Game at 4pm PT on Sat 20 Nov 2021 - OutsiderFan - 11-08-2021
Bob, Cal sucked that year as it does most years, which is my point. Has the game ever been played with the winner winning the Pac? I know "ever" is a long time, so I don't rule it out, but I am not aware that it has ever been played for all the marbles.
As an aside, it has been my dream ever since 1990 that the game would ONE TIME be played with the winner going to the Rose Bowl, or now at least winning the Pac-12 North. It's never happened since then, and I know not in the 80's. It seemed like it might happen some time, a few years ago, but now it seems as unlikely as it ever has.
RE: Big Game at 4pm PT on Sat 20 Nov 2021 - BobK - 11-08-2021
I’m sorry but cal doesn’t go the the Rose Bowl. So that ends that
RE: Big Game at 4pm PT on Sat 20 Nov 2021 - teejers1 - 11-08-2021
(11-08-2021, 01:51 PM)BobK Wrote: I’m sorry but cal doesn’t go the the Rose Bowl. So that ends that
In my lifetime, Cal had the best team in the Pac with Mike White as coach and Chuck Muncie as RB. Muncie ran wild on Stanford in that Big Game, and the Bears were better than the P8/10 rep in the Rose Bowl . . . and it wasn't even close. Another, more recent year (but still a long time ago) Cal was on the cusp of earning the #1 ranking in the country, iirc, but then choked away a game against Oregon State, and never regained top form. Those two teams are the best Cal teams I recall.
But no, I don't think Stanford and Cal have both been really good (or better) the same season.
P.S. That film of Casey's run for the Roses was in 1999. The Old Lady looked jammed. Hell, the sunny side alone had more than we've ever seen at the new stadium. That was roughly 20 years ago. Man, has interest in Stanford football dropped off a cliff.
RE: Big Game at 4pm PT on Sat 20 Nov 2021 - OutsiderFan - 11-08-2021
Cal was so bad in 1999 that its best "offensive" play was a Deltha O'Neal pick 6.
Anyway, my point stands. The Big Game is not now and never has truly been a Big Game. It might have once attracted a large crowd, but the game itself has never been between two teams playing in a truly big game for a conference title, and certainly never national implications.
It should be called something else. It's just embarrassing to continue calling it the Big Game. It's not a credible representation, and nobody in the Bay Area cares about the game now anyway.
David Shaw is party to blame because he was the one who basically stopped doing the traditional promotional silliness that kept the game's relevance alive in some form or fashion, for the Bay Area writ large, the week of the game.
RE: Big Game at 4pm PT on Sat 20 Nov 2021 - 82lsju - 11-08-2021
(11-08-2021, 01:39 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Bob, Cal sucked that year as it does most years, which is my point. Has the game ever been played with the winner winning the Pac? I know "ever" is a long time, so I don't rule it out, but I am not aware that it has ever been played for all the marbles.
As an aside, it has been my dream ever since 1990 that the game would ONE TIME be played with the winner going to the Rose Bowl, or now at least winning the Pac-12 North. It's never happened since then, and I know not in the 80's. It seemed like it might happen some time, a few years ago, but now it seems as unlikely as it ever has.
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RE: Big Game at 4pm PT on Sat 20 Nov 2021 - Spiny_Norman - 11-08-2021
I've seen some Big Games that were not very well played by either team (see especially 1997). But even then, they were still Big Games. Stanford vs. Cal is and always will be a rivalry game that matters a lot, regardless of the team records.
Hal Mickelson explains why.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMo0OgX46qk
RE: Big Game at 4pm PT on Sat 20 Nov 2021 - Red80 - 11-08-2021
(11-08-2021, 02:21 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Cal was so bad in 1999 that its best "offensive" play was a Deltha O'Neal pick 6.
Anyway, my point stands. The Big Game is not now and never has truly been a Big Game. It might have once attracted a large crowd, but the game itself has never been between two teams playing in a truly big game for a conference title, and certainly never national implications.
It should be called something else. It's just embarrassing to continue calling it the Big Game. It's not a credible representation, and nobody in the Bay Area cares about the game now anyway.
David Shaw is party to blame because he was the one who basically stopped doing the traditional promotional silliness that kept the game's relevance
alive in some form or fashion, for the Bay Area writ large, the week of the game.
The "Big Game" is a Title. Just like WSU vs UW is the "Apple Cup", Oregon vs OSU is, or was, known as The "Civil War." Harvard vs Yale is known as "The Game", BYU vs Utah is the "Holy War". Stanford vs Cal was dubbed the "Big Game" in 1900, when there was no other game around.
Should the title change with the fortunes of the programs? I think not. Personally I like the Title, a lot. I read recently that Athlon Sports rated it as one of the Top 10 Rivalry nicknames in college football. I agree.
RE: Big Game at 4pm PT on Sat 20 Nov 2021 - Canalejas - 11-08-2021
I'll admit that I've let myself get swept up in the negativity of this season's poor results. But I'm not going to let that downplay Big Game. It will always be big for me. Always. You only need to recall the awful feeling of seeing a Berkeley person gloat to know that you never want it to happen again.
RE: Big Game at 4pm PT on Sat 20 Nov 2021 - Papa John - 11-08-2021
(11-08-2021, 12:32 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Has a label for something ever been more incorrect?
Please point out to me how many times the "Big Game" was actually big? It has never been played with winner taking North division. Has it ever been played to decide the conference champion?
It couldn't be less big this year if it isn't even played.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZXycyHsKhA
RE: Big Game at 4pm PT on Sat 20 Nov 2021 - Phogge - 11-08-2021
1971. Bunce/Brown and the Chickens over Cal 14-0. In white unis!!! at the old Farm.
Only losses were at home: Dook, WSU, SJS (the Dave Chaney game). No way that team was going to play in red.
RE: Big Game at 4pm PT on Sat 20 Nov 2021 - chrisk - 11-08-2021
If Harvard-Yale can be called The Game, Stanford-Cal can be called The Big Game.
And if you look at Stanford’s schedule from the early days when the name originated, the game was clearly the biggest.
RE: Big Game at 4pm PT on Sat 20 Nov 2021 - 81alum - 11-08-2021
"The Big Game" refers to a cultural clash associated with an athletic contest, not to the athletic contest itself.
The game will always be at the center of something "BIG" even if the game itself is small.
Hence these kinds of things:
https://www.stanforddaily.com/2017/11/16/its-just-not-fair-an-oral-history-of-the-play-and-the-1982-fake-daily-cal/
RE: Big Game at 4pm PT on Sat 20 Nov 2021 - GaryT - 11-08-2021
I've attended every Big Game since 1979, the year I moved to California, except for last year, and I'll be there on November 20 [I shudder when I type that date]. Do I get to claim that my consecutive BG attendance streak is intact? Do I need an asterisk [and, if so, should I use a COVID molecule emoji]?
RE: Big Game at 4pm PT on Sat 20 Nov 2021 - needle - 11-08-2021
Am I dumb or isn’t it just “Big Game” rather than “The Big Game?”
RE: Big Game at 4pm PT on Sat 20 Nov 2021 - 82lsju - 11-08-2021
(11-08-2021, 07:09 PM)needle Wrote: Am I dumb or isn’t it just “Big Game” rather than “The Big Game?”
I think you are correct. Of course there was that lawsuit in 2007 when the NFL tried to trademark "The Big Game"....
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/NFL-sidelines-its-pursuit-of-Big-Game-trademark-2573935.php
RE: Big Game at 4pm PT on Sat 20 Nov 2021 - BostonCard - 11-08-2021
(11-08-2021, 12:32 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Has a label for something ever been more incorrect?
Please point out to me how many times the "Big Game" was actually big? It has never been played with winner taking North division. Has it ever been played to decide the conference champion?
It couldn't be less big this year if it isn't even played.
You must be fun at parties.
BC
RE: Big Game at 4pm PT on Sat 20 Nov 2021 - Giants - 11-09-2021
(11-08-2021, 01:39 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Bob, Cal sucked that year as it does most years, which is my point. Has the game ever been played with the winner winning the Pac? I know "ever" is a long time, so I don't rule it out, but I am not aware that it has ever been played for all the marbles.
As an aside, it has been my dream ever since 1990 that the game would ONE TIME be played with the winner going to the Rose Bowl, or now at least winning the Pac-12 North. It's never happened since then, and I know not in the 80's. It seemed like it might happen some time, a few years ago, but now it seems as unlikely as it ever has.
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(11-08-2021, 02:21 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote: Cal was so bad in 1999 that its best "offensive" play was a Deltha O'Neal pick 6.
Anyway, my point stands. The Big Game is not now and never has truly been a Big Game. It might have once attracted a large crowd, but the game itself has never been between two teams playing in a truly big game for a conference title, and certainly never national implications.
It should be called something else. It's just embarrassing to continue calling it the Big Game. It's not a credible representation, and nobody in the Bay Area cares about the game now anyway.
David Shaw is party to blame because he was the one who basically stopped doing the traditional promotional silliness that kept the game's relevance alive in some form or fashion, for the Bay Area writ large, the week of the game.
It was the biggest annual sporting event in Northern California for decades. I can remember the days when a neighborhood “split” family would have a brobdingnagian party every year with cakes decorated half red and half blue. It was a veryhuge deal back in the day…
It will always be The Big Game…