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WBB: refs to be paid equitably - crackpot - 12-17-2021

https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/32889830/ncaa-pay-officials-same-basketball-tournaments

I'm just stunned that refs for the women's games were not being paid the same.

I'm also stunned that I'm stunned.

RE: WBB: refs to be paid equitably - biketoc - 12-17-2021

That begs the question as to what is the pay structure at the league levels? What about softball vs baseball etc?

(12-17-2021, 10:37 AM)crackpot Wrote: https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/32889830/ncaa-pay-officials-same-basketball-tournaments

I'm just stunned that refs for the women's games were not being paid the same.

I'm also stunned that I'm stunned.

RE: WBB: refs to be paid equitably - 82lsju - 12-17-2021

(12-17-2021, 10:44 AM)biketoc Wrote: That begs the question as to what is the pay structure at the league levels? What about softball vs baseball etc?

(12-17-2021, 10:37 AM)crackpot Wrote: https://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/story/_/id/32889830/ncaa-pay-officials-same-basketball-tournaments

I'm just stunned that refs for the women's games were not being paid the same.

I'm also stunned that I'm stunned.

from the original article

Quote:The NCAA also said it will pay softball and lacrosse equitably as compared to their counterparts for men's games. The other 21 sports already had equitable pay.

but as biketoc points out this is just for NCAA tournaments, it would be interesting to see the comparison for regular season games

RE: WBB: refs to be paid equitably - teejers1 - 12-17-2021

(12-17-2021, 11:01 AM)82lsju Wrote:
Quote:The NCAA also said it will pay softball and lacrosse equitably as compared to their counterparts for men's games. The other 21 sports already had equitable pay.

but as crackpot points out this is just for NCAA tournaments, it would be interesting to see the comparison for regular season games

Yes, that is the interesting question.

I just assumed refs were paid on a seniority scale - and that might explain why in the aggregate women refs might earn less (assuming as a whole they are "later to the party" so to speak). But it never crossed my mind that officials would be paid differently for men's games vs. women's games, including at college level, including for NCAA vs. non-NCAA game.

Is the justification that pace of men's game is faster and thus "harder" to call, meriting more $$? If so, that seems like a dubious proposition. Pace of play is team dependent and there are women's teams who push pace more than men's teams across the college landscape.

RE: WBB: refs to be paid equitably - 82lsju - 12-17-2021

(12-17-2021, 11:32 AM)teejers1 Wrote:
(12-17-2021, 11:01 AM)82lsju Wrote:
Quote:The NCAA also said it will pay softball and lacrosse equitably as compared to their counterparts for men's games. The other 21 sports already had equitable pay.

but as crackpot points out this is just for NCAA tournaments, it would be interesting to see the comparison for regular season games

Yes, that is the interesting question.

I just assumed refs were paid on a seniority scale - and that might explain why in the aggregate women refs might earn less (assuming as a whole they are "later to the party" so to speak). But it never crossed my mind that officials would be paid differently for men's games vs. women's games, including at college level, including for NCAA vs. non-NCAA game.

Is the justification that pace of men's game is faster and thus "harder" to call, meriting more $$? If so, that seems like a dubious proposition. Pace of play is team dependent and there are women's teams who push pace more than men's teams across the college landscape.

from the original article looks like "market forces"...

Quote:This isn't the first time that officials have made the same in the NCAA tournament. From 2001 to 2012, the two tournaments paid the same, but as men's referees starting making more in their conference games, the NCAA had to increase the pay in the tournament to get the best officials, according to a person familiar with the situation. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't allowed to speak publicly on the matter.

The pay for women's officials increased but not nearly at the same rate as they make in conference play. Unlike professional sports leagues, college officials are independent contractors.

lex24 - lex24 - 12-18-2021

(12-17-2021, 11:32 AM)teejers1 Wrote:
(12-17-2021, 11:01 AM)82lsju Wrote:
Quote:The NCAA also said it will pay softball and lacrosse equitably as compared to their counterparts for men's games. The other 21 sports already had equitable pay.

but as crackpot points out this is just for NCAA tournaments, it would be interesting to see the comparison for regular season games

Yes, that is the interesting question.

I just assumed refs were paid on a seniority scale - and that might explain why in the aggregate women refs might earn less (assuming as a whole they are "later to the party" so to speak). But it never crossed my mind that officials would be paid differently for men's games vs. women's games, including at college level, including for NCAA vs. non-NCAA game.

Is the justification that pace of men's game is faster and thus "harder" to call, meriting more $$? If so, that seems like a dubious proposition. Pace of play is team dependent and there are women's teams who push pace more than men's teams across the college landscape.

Mens game is harder to call. Much faster. Doesn’t matter how much a woman’s team pushes pace. The speed element matters. Add that the mens game has more going on at rim. But that doesn’t justify a pay disparity. The only “justification “ would be that the men generate more income.

RE: WBB: refs to be paid equitably - ca245 - 12-18-2021

The ESPN article on this topic says that, through 2012, MBB and WBB NCAA tournament referees were paid the same, but then, as MBB conference referees started getting paid more by the conferences, the NCAA upped its pay for MBB tournament referees to keep pace, leading to a pay differential between MBB and WBB tournament referees. What the NCAA is doing now is certainly the right thing to do. But this story begs the question: is there a pay differential between referees for MBB and WBB in the conferences? And there are a lot more conference games than NCAA tournament games.

RE: WBB: refs to be paid equitably - crackpot - 12-18-2021

(12-18-2021, 10:59 AM)ca245 Wrote: The ESPN article on this topic says that, through 2012, MBB and WBB NCAA tournament referees were paid the same, but then, as MBB conference referees started getting paid more by the conferences, the NCAA upped its pay for MBB tournament referees to keep pace, leading to a pay differential between MBB and WBB tournament referees. What the NCAA is doing now is certainly the right thing to do. But this story begs the question: is there a pay differential between referees for MBB and WBB in the conferences? And there are a lot more conference games than NCAA tournament games.

Might explain why the men's refs are so much better.

RE: WBB: refs to be paid equitably - martyup - 12-18-2021

So Missy gets a raise? Injustice.