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Stanford, Kentucky, and NIL Protocols - Genuine Realist - 02-21-2022
I'm sure most of you are probably aware that Kentucky (the State of my birth) has produced one of its better teams and are properly celebratory. It's an interesting team - the starting PG, Savir Wheeler, is a transfer from Georgia. One of the two forwards (the team has a three guard, two forward lineup) Oscar Tshiebwe, is a fourth year junior transfer from West Virginia, is one of the more ferocious rebounders college basketball has seen. The team has a dead-eye three point shooter, Kellen Grady, a fifth year senior from Davidson (broke Curry's records). One of the major players off the bench, Davion Mintz, is a graduate transfer from Creighton, who turned down the NBA last year to return to UK. Another, Jacob Toppin, is a transfer from Rhode Island. The only freshman who actually matriculated to Kentucky, Tyty Washington, will be gone at the end of the year to the NBA, as has been typical of Calipari's recruiting for ten years now.
So what's going on here? The transfer portal has been very, very good to Kentucky, and the reason is the NIL rules. The fan base is gigantic, and fanatic. The opportunities for perfectly legal remuneration extend well into five figure stuff, and - with a real collegiate star (Tshiebwe) - may get into six. For the first time, as a matter of money, it may make more sense for a player to stay in school than go pro, particularly if he is a lower round or G-League type. (Tshiebwe is a classic NBA 'tweener'. ) Kentucky has been buying players for years - who's kidding who - but now it's legal.
There is no way an average school (Stanford) can compete with this. And this is tame compared to the advantage the football crazy schools of the SEC have. Basketball is not capital intensive, and one or two outliers who choose Stanford for their own reasons make a brobdingnagian difference. Football? Not even close. We are going to see a monotonous procession of SEC schools to the Final Four, with occasional ACC outliers. Even traditional powerhouses like Notre Dame need not apply, and get creamed on the occasions when they luck into the finals.
How do you cope with this? I've advocated for years junking the amateur rule altogether and simply letting promising athletes take money from whatever source is available. You restrict NCAA enforcement to academic eligibility and related issues. This permits NFL, NBA, and MLB franchises to draft in place, so to speak, contracting for the rights to the future services of an athlete, while permitting him (sic - these considerations don't affect women athletes at present) to matriculate to the school of his choice. Most colleges do a fine job of developing athletes, as well as contributing to their maturation. The option money is a fraction compared to salaries for full time players, but extremely important to the athlete.
Pro money dwarfs NIL. We can return to a level playing field.
I've run into all spurious objections to simply tossing the rule, too many to list here. A few years ago, I wrote a fictional dialog between an NBA GM and a Stanford recruit who was also a potential first round draft choice. I wanted to illustrate the common sense, give-and-take, dialog that might take place.
Here it is. I hope you find it food for thought.
RE: Stanford, Kentucky, and NIL Protocols - needle - 02-21-2022
(02-21-2022, 11:47 AM)Genuine Realist Wrote: I'm sure most of you are probably aware that Kentucky (the State of my birth) has produced one of its better teams and are properly celebratory. It's an interesting team - the starting PG, Savir Wheeler, is a transfer from Georgia. One of the two forwards (the team has a three guard, two forward lineup) Oscar Tshiebwe, is a fourth year junior transfer from West Virginia, is one of the more ferocious rebounders college basketball has seen. The team has a dead-eye three point shooter, Kellen Grady, a fifth year senior from Davidson (broke Curry's records). One of the major players off the bench, Davion Mintz, is a graduate transfer from Creighton, who turned down the NBA last year to return to UK. Another, Jacob Toppin, is a transfer from Rhode Island. The only freshman who actually matriculated to Kentucky, Tyty Washington, will be gone at the end of the year to the NBA, as has been typical of Calipari's recruiting for ten years now.
So what's going on here? The transfer portal has been very, very good to Kentucky, and the reason is the NIL rules. The fan base is gigantic, and fanatic. The opportunities for perfectly legal remuneration extend well into five figure stuff, and - with a real collegiate star (Tshiebwe) - may get into six. For the first time, as a matter of money, it may make more sense for a player to stay in school than go pro, particularly if he is a lower round or G-League type. (Tshiebwe is a classic NBA 'tweener'. ) Kentucky has been buying players for years - who's kidding who - but now it's legal.
There is no way an average school (Stanford) can compete with this. And this is tame compared to the advantage the football crazy schools of the SEC have. Basketball is not capital intensive, and one or two outliers who choose Stanford for their own reasons make a of immense proportions difference. Football? Not even close. We are going to see a monotonous procession of SEC schools to the Final Four, with occasional ACC outliers. Even traditional powerhouses like Notre Dame need not apply, and get creamed on the occasions when they luck into the finals.
How do you cope with this? I've advocated for years junking the amateur rule altogether and simply letting promising athletes take money from whatever source is available. You restrict NCAA enforcement to academic eligibility and related issues. This permits NFL, NBA, and MLB franchises to draft in place, so to speak, contracting for the rights to the future services of an athlete, while permitting him (sic - these considerations don't affect women athletes at present) to matriculate to the school of his choice. Most colleges do a fine job of developing athletes, as well as contributing to their maturation. The option money is a fraction compared to salaries for full time players, but extremely important to the athlete.
Pro money dwarfs NIL. We can return to a level playing field.
I've run into all spurious objections to simply tossing the rule, too many to list here. A few years ago, I wrote a fictional dialog between an NBA GM and a Stanford recruit who was also a potential first round draft choice. I wanted to illustrate the common sense, give-and-take, dialog that might take place.
Here it is. I hope you find it food for thought.
I still believe that the first great NIL scandal will involve gambling, with a non-star player getting paid for delivering inside info. I don't know to what degree my concerns are unfounded, or if the idea of allowing players to take earning from all sources would exacerbate any similar concerns that may exist.
RE: Stanford, Kentucky, and NIL Protocols - Genuine Realist - 02-21-2022
(02-21-2022, 12:11 PM)needle Wrote:(02-21-2022, 11:47 AM)Genuine Realist Wrote: I'm sure most of you are probably aware that Kentucky (the State of my birth) has produced one of its better teams and are properly celebratory. It's an interesting team - the starting PG, Savir Wheeler, is a transfer from Georgia. One of the two forwards (the team has a three guard, two forward lineup) Oscar Tshiebwe, is a fourth year junior transfer from West Virginia, is one of the more ferocious rebounders college basketball has seen. The team has a dead-eye three point shooter, Kellen Grady, a fifth year senior from Davidson (broke Curry's records). One of the major players off the bench, Davion Mintz, is a graduate transfer from Creighton, who turned down the NBA last year to return to UK. Another, Jacob Toppin, is a transfer from Rhode Island. The only freshman who actually matriculated to Kentucky, Tyty Washington, will be gone at the end of the year to the NBA, as has been typical of Calipari's recruiting for ten years now.
So what's going on here? The transfer portal has been very, very good to Kentucky, and the reason is the NIL rules. The fan base is gigantic, and fanatic. The opportunities for perfectly legal remuneration extend well into five figure stuff, and - with a real collegiate star (Tshiebwe) - may get into six. For the first time, as a matter of money, it may make more sense for a player to stay in school than go pro, particularly if he is a lower round or G-League type. (Tshiebwe is a classic NBA 'tweener'. ) Kentucky has been buying players for years - who's kidding who - but now it's legal.
There is no way an average school (Stanford) can compete with this. And this is tame compared to the advantage the football crazy schools of the SEC have. Basketball is not capital intensive, and one or two outliers who choose Stanford for their own reasons make a of immense proportions difference. Football? Not even close. We are going to see a monotonous procession of SEC schools to the Final Four, with occasional ACC outliers. Even traditional powerhouses like Notre Dame need not apply, and get creamed on the occasions when they luck into the finals.
How do you cope with this? I've advocated for years junking the amateur rule altogether and simply letting promising athletes take money from whatever source is available. You restrict NCAA enforcement to academic eligibility and related issues. This permits NFL, NBA, and MLB franchises to draft in place, so to speak, contracting for the rights to the future services of an athlete, while permitting him (sic - these considerations don't affect women athletes at present) to matriculate to the school of his choice. Most colleges do a fine job of developing athletes, as well as contributing to their maturation. The option money is a fraction compared to salaries for full time players, but extremely important to the athlete.
Pro money dwarfs NIL. We can return to a level playing field.
I've run into all spurious objections to simply tossing the rule, too many to list here. A few years ago, I wrote a fictional dialog between an NBA GM and a Stanford recruit who was also a potential first round draft choice. I wanted to illustrate the common sense, give-and-take, dialog that might take place.
Here it is. I hope you find it food for thought.
I still believe that the first great NIL scandal will involve gambling, with a non-star player getting paid for delivering inside info. I don't know to what degree my concerns are unfounded, or if the idea of allowing players to take earning from all sources would exacerbate any similar concerns that may exist.
Why would you think NIL has any impact on player motivation to fix?
Probably lessens it, if anything.
RE: Stanford, Kentucky, and NIL Protocols - Phogge - 02-21-2022
Another alternative is to stop watching college sports and never paying for a ticket or a service. I am trending that way. What is replacing same? America's Day at the Races on Fox, TVG, the DP World Tour, the Golf Channel, fiddling around in the garage listening to KDFC, hitting balls into my just purchased net, etc.
I never figured I could stop going to Stanford Stadium. Turns out to be no problem.
RE: Stanford, Kentucky, and NIL Protocols - Maple Leaf - 02-21-2022
The NIL is the just another log (a very big log) to be added to the bonfire of corruption in college sports. NIL will accelerate the move to the creation of the GGC Conference (GGC=Graft Greed Corruption), the only rule this conference will have is "there are no rules". Players will get screwed, a few will not because they are smart enough to con the con artist. While the GGC is having their way, there will be other conferences created with their own set of rules. The NCAA will try to maintain some type of control/importance but will go the way of the League of Nations. Some schools will go the route that University of Chicago, Santa Clara, St. Marys, USF, and University of Northeastern have taken and drop football and other sports. The GGC Conference will try to overturn Title IX and will look to pack the Supreme Court to allow that to happen.
If the NIL money, TV $$$, Gambling Cash Flow and Athletic Scholarships dry up then maybe there will be a new beginning for college athletics where the nice guys finish first which includes a meaningful degree and a body of knowledge to make positive impact in this world.
RE: Stanford, Kentucky, and NIL Protocols - Spiny_Norman - 02-21-2022
(02-21-2022, 12:54 PM)Phogge Wrote: Another alternative is to stop watching college sports and never paying for a ticket or a service. I am trending that way. What is replacing same? America's Day at the Races on Fox, TVG, the DP World Tour, the Golf Channel, fiddling around in the garage listening to KDFC, hitting balls into my just purchased net, etc.
I never figured I could stop going to Stanford Stadium. Turns out to be no problem.
A lot of other people are still watching college football. The SEC made $778M last year. CBS and NBC may be preparing to offer the Big 10 $1B per year for the rights to broadcast its college football games starting in 2023-2024. Meanwhile, the P12 will fall further behind. It's really a mid-major conference at this point and NIL money will not close the gap.
https://deadspin.com/the-sec-almost-made-800-million-last-year-don-t-tell-1848563086
RE: Stanford, Kentucky, and NIL Protocols - needle - 02-21-2022
(02-21-2022, 12:16 PM)Genuine Realist Wrote:(02-21-2022, 12:11 PM)needle Wrote:(02-21-2022, 11:47 AM)Genuine Realist Wrote: I'm sure most of you are probably aware that Kentucky (the State of my birth) has produced one of its better teams and are properly celebratory. It's an interesting team - the starting PG, Savir Wheeler, is a transfer from Georgia. One of the two forwards (the team has a three guard, two forward lineup) Oscar Tshiebwe, is a fourth year junior transfer from West Virginia, is one of the more ferocious rebounders college basketball has seen. The team has a dead-eye three point shooter, Kellen Grady, a fifth year senior from Davidson (broke Curry's records). One of the major players off the bench, Davion Mintz, is a graduate transfer from Creighton, who turned down the NBA last year to return to UK. Another, Jacob Toppin, is a transfer from Rhode Island. The only freshman who actually matriculated to Kentucky, Tyty Washington, will be gone at the end of the year to the NBA, as has been typical of Calipari's recruiting for ten years now.
So what's going on here? The transfer portal has been very, very good to Kentucky, and the reason is the NIL rules. The fan base is gigantic, and fanatic. The opportunities for perfectly legal remuneration extend well into five figure stuff, and - with a real collegiate star (Tshiebwe) - may get into six. For the first time, as a matter of money, it may make more sense for a player to stay in school than go pro, particularly if he is a lower round or G-League type. (Tshiebwe is a classic NBA 'tweener'. ) Kentucky has been buying players for years - who's kidding who - but now it's legal.
There is no way an average school (Stanford) can compete with this. And this is tame compared to the advantage the football crazy schools of the SEC have. Basketball is not capital intensive, and one or two outliers who choose Stanford for their own reasons make a of immense proportions difference. Football? Not even close. We are going to see a monotonous procession of SEC schools to the Final Four, with occasional ACC outliers. Even traditional powerhouses like Notre Dame need not apply, and get creamed on the occasions when they luck into the finals.
How do you cope with this? I've advocated for years junking the amateur rule altogether and simply letting promising athletes take money from whatever source is available. You restrict NCAA enforcement to academic eligibility and related issues. This permits NFL, NBA, and MLB franchises to draft in place, so to speak, contracting for the rights to the future services of an athlete, while permitting him (sic - these considerations don't affect women athletes at present) to matriculate to the school of his choice. Most colleges do a fine job of developing athletes, as well as contributing to their maturation. The option money is a fraction compared to salaries for full time players, but extremely important to the athlete.
Pro money dwarfs NIL. We can return to a level playing field.
I've run into all spurious objections to simply tossing the rule, too many to list here. A few years ago, I wrote a fictional dialog between an NBA GM and a Stanford recruit who was also a potential first round draft choice. I wanted to illustrate the common sense, give-and-take, dialog that might take place.
Here it is. I hope you find it food for thought.
I still believe that the first great NIL scandal will involve gambling, with a non-star player getting paid for delivering inside info. I don't know to what degree my concerns are unfounded, or if the idea of allowing players to take earning from all sources would exacerbate any similar concerns that may exist.
Why would you think NIL has any impact on player motivation to fix?
Probably lessens it, if anything.
It's the too-good-to-be true offers that may or may not be coming in: Sure, we like your potential as a third-string OL and will consider giving you $5k cash for your autograph...let's meet to discuss further....before we talk about another autograph deal, oh-BTW-just-curious, how's your QBs knee after leaving the game last week?
To what extent this may or may not be happening, I have no idea.
RE: Stanford, Kentucky, and NIL Protocols - Papa John - 02-21-2022
Interesting read, Genuine Realist. I admit that five years ago I would have hated your fictional world, but now I'm intrigued.