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WBB: Stanford 72 Maryland 66 - 81alum - 03-20-2022
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We played Maryland in the Bahamas back around Thanksgiving and won 87-67. Throw those results away. Maryland in that game was without three of their top players and two other starters got into serious foul trouble. We were without Prechtel and Brink, but had enough depth to run the normally high octane Maryland squad into the ground. Since that time both teams have evolved and gotten healthy, and so I don't think we can learn much of anything from our earlier experience.
https://thecardboard.org/board/showthread.php?tid=22656&highlight=wbb%3A+Stanford+86
Maryland is 23-8, ranked 8th by Massey and 14th in NET. They have beaten Baylor, Indiana, Florida Gulf Coast, and Ohio State but lost to Indiana, Michigan, Ohio State, and South Carolina, which they played tough. In other words, they have beaten some good teams and lost to some good teams, sometimes to the same team. Potentially an excellent but sometimes inconsistent team.
Maryland has long been a team that emphasizes offense more than defense, and that was our experience with them in the fall--depleted though they were. They average 79 ppg and outscore their opponents by 12. They make about as many treys a game as we do.
Maryland has 5 players averaging double digit scoring, and 8 players with 20 or more minutes--so they will have about twice as many players and twice as many stars than when we played them in November. I just hope our team can develop amnesia and focus on the new Maryland.
Maryland's top scorer is 6'3" sophomore forward Angel Reese at 18 ppg. 6' junior guard Ashley Owusu scores 15 ppg.
Diamond Miller has been terrific in recent games. She is a 6'3" junior guard scoring 13 ppg.
Reese, Owusu, and Miller combined for 65 points in their last game.
We did not face Maryland's star three point shooter who was injured when we last played them. Katie Benzan is their answer to Hannah Jump, scoring 73 treys on the season at a whopping 45% clip.
In short, Maryland is the kind of team that limits Tara's scouting report defense, since we cannot afford to take away just one or two players. Reese is all inside and Benzan is all outside and the other players and bench are versatile around them. Benzan also has a team leading 107 assists.
Maryland's defense was certainly unsound when we last played them, and it did not look very strong to me in their first two games in the tournament--especially vulnerable to transitions. But they know what to expect from us and their defense has improved.
This team looks much more like an elite 8 than a sweet 16 team, and unlucky us, we get to play them now. Even if we take away Benzan and limit the paint, Maryland is an excellent mid range jumpshooting team. We will simply need our own offense to be in high gear since we will undoubtedly need a lot of points to win. South Carolina held them to 59 and North Carolina state held them to 60--but those are their minimums for the year.
RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Maryland Sweet 16 Friday - BostonCard - 03-21-2022
The last time we played Maryland in Spokane…
https://youtu.be/BQ34XW45unI
BC
RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Maryland Sweet 16 Friday - WBB fan - 03-21-2022
(03-21-2022, 07:43 AM)BostonCard Wrote: The last time we played Maryland in Spokane…
https://youtu.be/BQ34XW45unI
BC
Thanks so much for posting. I have such great memories of this game, starting with the fact that we (at least the fans) went into it with a bit of chip on our shoulders, thinking we should have been the #1 seed, not Maryland. At the time, we were higher ranked in the polls. And then at the team send-off at the Davenport Annex, the #2 seed team hotel, Jayne was dancing and looked so full of energy and excitement, I turned to my husband and said, "that's it, Stanford is going to win." The game was fantastic, and yes, the duel between Wiggins and Tolliver, amazing. At the end, in the postgame interview on the floor, Candice breaking down in tears and saying, I just love my team, I just love my coach. Going onward, to the final four in Tampa, first final four since 1997, an 11-year gap -- and there beating UConn in the Semis after having lost to them in the Bahamas in November. So much, so very much, tied to that game against Maryland in Spokane in 2008. For me, it was a rebirth of greatness of Stanford WBB.
RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Maryland Sweet 16 Friday - DaBears17 - 03-21-2022
My daughter saw snow for the first time in Spokane as a 2.5 year old. She went to the 2008,2009,2010 and 2011 final fours. Her favorite player is still Jayne Appel.
Stanford Women in Final Four: Postgame Celebration - YouTube
RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Maryland Sweet 16 Friday - martyup - 03-21-2022
Wiggins said it after winning that game . . . it's about love. Love for her team and for her coaches.
RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Maryland Sweet 16 Friday - Spiny_Norman - 03-21-2022
Some quotes from the Washington Post story about Maryland's game vs. FGCU.
Quote: the old Diamond Miller is back. Maryland’s star guard and her sister had talked throughout a disappointing, injury-ravaged season, and Adreana knew the NCAA tournament was a good time for a reset.
Diamond Miller is healthy and confident again — and she showed it Sunday afternoon. Miller did just about anything she wanted as No. 4 seed Maryland ran away from No. 12 Florida Gulf Coast, 89-65 . . .
Sunday’s victory arguably was the best game the Terps (23-8) have played all season and certainly brought the best effort from Miller, who had 24 points, nine rebounds, three assists, three steals and a block. The smaller Eagles had no answer for the rangy, 6-foot-3 Miller, who did a little of everything. She hit pull-up jumpers from the perimeter, got to the rim at will and even ran point guard for stretches. To start the second half, she squared up on the right side, looked her defender square in the eyes and attacked. A few quick dribbles preceded a nasty crossover that created space before she split a pair of defenders and used her long stride for a scooping layup.
After the final buzzer, Miller walked to the sideline, stared into the crowd, balled her fists and screamed, “Let’s goooo!”
Quote:Miller wasn’t the only one to shine Sunday. Florida Gulf Coast plays five guards, and none of them could handle Reese in the post: She put up 21 points and nine rebounds while going 11 for 14 from the free throw line. Guard Ashley Owusu continued her NCAA tournament revival with 20 points while showing off an array of moves that the FGCU defense couldn’t handle.
Quote:“They had really good ball pressure and they switch a lot of things, and they have great length at a lot of positions,” FGCU Coach Karl Smesko said. “At the beginning of the game, we had pretty good spacing, and we were able to attack the paint a little bit and kick it out and get to shot fakes. As soon as we became a little more stagnant, we were running a lot of dribble handoffs, which we really didn’t want to run. Pressure made us do some things that we really didn’t want to do.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/03/20/diamond-miller-maryland-fgcu-sweet-16/
RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Maryland Sweet 16 Friday - teejers1 - 03-21-2022
(03-21-2022, 10:22 AM)WBB fan Wrote:(03-21-2022, 07:43 AM)BostonCard Wrote: The last time we played Maryland in Spokane…
https://youtu.be/BQ34XW45unI
BC
Thanks so much for posting. I have such great memories of this game, starting with the fact that we (at least the fans) went into it with a bit of chip on our shoulders, thinking we should have been the #1 seed, not Maryland. At the time, we were higher ranked in the polls. And then at the team send-off at the Davenport Annex, the #2 seed team hotel, Jayne was dancing and looked so full of energy and excitement, I turned to my husband and said, "that's it, Stanford is going to win." The game was fantastic, and yes, the duel between Wiggins and Tolliver, amazing. At the end, in the postgame interview on the floor, Candice breaking down in tears and saying, I just love my team, I just love my coach. Going onward, to the final four in Tampa, first final four since 1997, an 11-year gap -- and there beating UConn in the Semis after having lost to them in the Bahamas in November. So much, so very much, tied to that game against Maryland in Spokane in 2008. For me, it was a rebirth of greatness of Stanford WBB.
At that post-game interview moment, I distinctly recall thinking: "Wiggins may be my favorite Stanford basketball player ever!" Her uncontained and unadulterated joy was a thing to behold. [And was it Wiggins or Powell who, when learning of her Stanford offer via a jersey being put on her bed at the hotel room, slept in the jersey that night?].
P.S. Just because she shouldn't be forgotten: J.J. Hones!
RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Maryland Sweet 16 Friday - DaBears17 - 03-21-2022
(03-21-2022, 03:24 PM)teejers1 Wrote: P.S. Just because she shouldn't be forgotten: J.J. Hones!
J.J. Hones is a big part of why losing to Texas A&M in the 2011 Final Four in Indy hurts. If she hadn't gotten in trouble and came back for a 5th year, does Stanford win a National Championship in 2011?
RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Maryland Sweet 16 Friday - M T - 03-21-2022
(03-21-2022, 01:52 PM)Spiny_Norman Wrote: Some quotes from the Washington Post story about Maryland's game vs. FGCU:
(To the WP author:) Well, duh. Of course, no one on FGCU could handle a 6'3" player, since FGCU had no one on their roster taller than 6'1".
The starters were 5'3", 6'1", 5'10", 5'9", 5'7".
(That's about the size of the roster of Clarke, which Stanford played in exhibition -- not to say that FGCU isn't a lot better than Clarke. Even Morgan State had a taller roster.)
Maryland's performance in that game has little bearing on how they'll do against Stanford. Stanford isn't that tall (5'9", 6'1", 6'1", 6'4", 6'1") but is a lot closer to Maryland (6'3",6'2", 6'3",6'0", 5'6")
(03-20-2022, 09:28 PM)81alum Wrote: We played Maryland in the Bahamas back around Thanksgiving and won 87-67. Throw those results away. Maryland in that game was without three of their top players and two other starters got into serious foul trouble. We were without Prechtel and Brink, but had enough depth to run the normally high octane Maryland squad into the ground.Maryland had 3 of their starters and 5 of their 7 most-used players from the FGCU game in the Bahamas. I don't know what 3rd player was missing. Brink did play for 9 minutes. Wilson only played 5 minutes Stanford was up 29 points going into the 4th quarter and emptied the bench, letting MD get the lead down to just 20 points at the end. Stanford's bench players (not including Wilson, Brink, Hulls, Jump, Belbi, Jones) played 46 minutes (ie, about 5 players at 9+ minutes each). (The two missing MD starters scored 29 points against FGCU)
The big difference may be that officials don't call fouls in the tournament (no matter what the points of emphasis say). Reese only played 15 minutes before fouling out in November. Two other players eventually got to 4 fouls, but in that game, more fouls were called against Stanford. MD got nearly 31% of their points at the foul line while Stanford got a bit over 16% of their points at the foul line. (Not counting fouls, the score would have been 72-47). MD is a much better FT% team, so the non-calls may benefit Stanford more.
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Yes, players need to focus one game at a time, but the coaches need to scout the road ahead. Stanford gets a benefit because they've played MD and TX before, so they've got a head start on preparing for the possible match-ups this coming weekend, and the players already have faced those teams. LSU/Ohio State will need new preparation beginning later today for the winner of that game.
RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Maryland Sweet 16 Friday - teejers1 - 03-21-2022
(03-21-2022, 03:38 PM)DaBears17 Wrote:(03-21-2022, 03:24 PM)teejers1 Wrote: P.S. Just because she shouldn't be forgotten: J.J. Hones!
J.J. Hones is a big part of why losing to Texas A&M in the 2011 Final Four in Indy hurts. If she hadn't gotten in trouble and came back for a 5th year, does Stanford win a National Championship in 2011?
Do you believe that kicking Hones off the team was the only option? That struck me as unduly harsh at the time. But then again, I'm in the "college kids will do stupid things from time to time" camp, and am not into overly-punishing such things (particularly when no one else is hurt). Plus, a football player received a one-game suspension for a DUI arrest (a year later), which iirc, was a bit dubious in its own right.
[BTW, The visual of Hones evading law enforcement with a cast on and in a golf cart makes me chuckle, tbh; but who knows, maybe she endangered all those fellow-travelers on campus at 1:38 in the morning. . .].
Separately, do you have any sense that the much-injured Hones would have been able to contribute in 2011, even if she weren't dismissed from the team? You seem to want to pile on Hones with your post.
RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Maryland Sweet 16 Friday - 81alum - 03-21-2022
In November, Diamond Miller was out with a knee issue, and Katie Benzan and Faith Masonius stayed home with illnesses. Masonius is one of their leaders off the bench with 22 mpg. Benzan is their three point specialist. Miller is probably their most talented player, although her season has been made very inconsistent with injuries. Lately she has been terrific.
Tara took full advantage. Maryland had only 7 players dressed for the game. (They have only 10 on their roster.) We played 14, although the starting five all had over 20 minutes. Our strategy was to run at every opportunity until the legs fell off the Maryland 7.
Brink was sick right before the game and so Jump got the start and had a terrific game. Apparently Brink felt well enough to give a few minutes later. I remembered her scratching as a starter but did not remember her coming back in. It must not have been a communicable illness.
However you look at it, that game was a very long time ago, a different cast of characters will be involved, and both teams have improved. As Tara said yesterday, looking forward, "Let's see who has improved more." If we play as well as we did in the second half against Kansas, then Maryland will not be a problem. But we can't always dial-up a 36 point performance from a star. We will keep needing performances like Lexie's from someone or another--or maybe 2 excellent performances offensively for a couple of others, or a trio of very good performances. I suspect Maryland will score more it did in November, so we had better, too.
RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Maryland Sweet 16 Friday - DaBears17 - 03-21-2022
(03-21-2022, 06:18 PM)teejers1 Wrote: Do you believe that kicking Hones off the team was the only option? That struck me as unduly harsh at the time. But then again, I'm in the "college kids will do stupid things from time to time" camp, and am not into overly-punishing such things (particularly when no one else is hurt). Plus, a football player received a one-game suspension for a DUI arrest (a year later), which iirc, was a bit dubious in its own right.
[BTW, The visual of Hones evading law enforcement with a cast on and in a golf cart makes me chuckle, tbh; but who knows, maybe she endangered all those fellow-travelers on campus at 1:38 in the morning. . .].
Separately, do you have any sense that the much-injured Hones would have been able to contribute in 2011, even if she weren't dismissed from the team? You seem to want to pile on Hones with your post.
I agree 100pct that the punishment seemed harsh and JJ should of been given a second chance, but we don't know if she had used her second chance already. An article said she said at the Giants game the team was honored at that she was planning on being ready to play her 5th year.
I have family members that deal with chronic pain and its not fun. I've always respected players because I know how hard they work and play banged up. Who was the forward who didn't practice her junior year and skipped her senior season because of chronic pain in her knees? Chelsea Trotter?
JJ was one of my favorites during her playing time.
RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Maryland Sweet 16 Friday - chimera - 03-21-2022
I liked JJ Hones a lot so was sad to see her gone. My understanding is that there was a lot more that went into the Hones dismissal than that one incident, a lot more. I don't know all the details and forgot the few I did know but someone who knows told me at the time that was far, far from a one off.
RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Maryland Sweet 16 Friday - here4WBB - 03-21-2022
(03-21-2022, 07:38 PM)chimera Wrote: I liked JJ Hones a lot so was sad to see her gone. My understanding is that there was a lot more that went into the Hones dismissal than that one incident, a lot more. I don't know all the details and forgot the few I did know but someone who knows told me at the time that was far, far from a one off.
I was also a fan of JJ. Being dismissed from the team was such a severe action, I can only surmise that, as your contact told you, there were other serious problems.
Here's a 2020 sports podcast that features an interview with J.J. She goes by Jennifer now. https://www.buzzsprout.com/298826/3872096
RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Maryland Sweet 16 Friday - jacket3ree - 03-21-2022
(03-21-2022, 12:14 PM)martyup Wrote: Wiggins said it after winning that game . . . it's about love. Love for her team and for her coaches.
So what happened against Tennessee that year? Love ran dry?
Love is [not] all you need, with apologies to Lennon-McCartney.
(You seem to be having flashbacks to 1967 Marty.)
RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Maryland Sweet 16 Friday - DaBears17 - 03-21-2022
(03-21-2022, 08:20 PM)jacket3ree Wrote:(03-21-2022, 12:14 PM)martyup Wrote: Wiggins said it after winning that game . . . it's about love. Love for her team and for her coaches.
So what happened against Tennessee that year? Love ran dry?
Love is [not] all you need, with apologies to Lennon-McCartney.
(You seem to be having flashbacks to 1967 Marty.)
After we beat UConn in the semis, the media jinxed us by picking us to win the championship. We lost the Ice vs. Ace battle.
RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Maryland Sweet 16 Friday - martyup - 03-21-2022
(03-21-2022, 08:20 PM)jacket3ree Wrote:(03-21-2022, 12:14 PM)martyup Wrote: Wiggins said it after winning that game . . . it's about love. Love for her team and for her coaches.
So what happened against Tennessee that year? Love ran dry?
Love is [not] all you need, with apologies to Lennon-McCartney.
(You seem to be having flashbacks to 1967 Marty.)
I never said "All you need is love." But I do say that you can't win 6 games to a National Championship without it, no matter how talented a team you may have.
RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Maryland Sweet 16 Friday - teejers1 - 03-21-2022
(03-21-2022, 08:01 PM)here4WBB Wrote:(03-21-2022, 07:38 PM)chimera Wrote: I liked JJ Hones a lot so was sad to see her gone. My understanding is that there was a lot more that went into the Hones dismissal than that one incident, a lot more. I don't know all the details and forgot the few I did know but someone who knows told me at the time that was far, far from a one off.
I was also a fan of JJ. Being dismissed from the team was such a severe action, I can only surmise that, as your contact told you, there were other serious problems.
Here's a 2020 sports podcast that features an interview with J.J. She goes by Jennifer now. https://www.buzzsprout.com/298826/3872096
That was my surmise, as well. But I also do not recall reading about any other suspensions or violations of team rules by Hones.
And let's be honest in acknowledging that coaches are humans and have players whom they give more leash to and others where they crack the whip. That could have been in play, too (and real-time, that was also my surmise).
That's all water under bridge now. Just don't want to forget that Hones was a real contributor to Stanford women's hoops, including in that FF run led by Wiggins.
RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Maryland Sweet 16 Friday - BostonCard - 03-21-2022
In the absence of any other information, any speculation on whether Hones’ suspension was excessive or not is just that… speculation. It is possible that Vanderveer overreacted, at least compared to the suspension handed down to Skov (though there were some extenuating circumstances in that case). It is also possible that there was additional info we aren’t privy to that would explain a seemingly disproportionate punishment. Just as there was no indication that Hones had already been on thin ice because of past behavior, there was no outward indication that the coach somehow “had it in” for her.
Be that as it may, I agree that Hones was a big part of our run. By the way, she did wind up getting a master’s degree (in sociology), so she almost certainly would have been back had it not been for the incident.
BC
RE: WBB: Stanford vs. Maryland Sweet 16 Friday - CompSci87 - 03-21-2022
As long as we're reminiscing, I happened to run across this long video of highlights from the 2010-11 team dicing up Arizona in the Pac tournament. What a team that was!
https://youtu.be/zk6gMBvZC6c