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Stanford @ The Open - winflop - 07-11-2022

Three current & former Stanford golfers will be teeing it up at the home of golf (Old Course St Andrews) for the 150th Open Championship
Tiger Woods (3-time winner)
Brandon Wu - class of 2019
Barclay Brown - current junior

I will watch as much as I can. I love the Old Course and am fortunate to have played it twice.

RE: Stanford @ The Open - Phogge - 07-12-2022

Good luck to Wu and the other kid. I hope Woods misses the cut. Also hope the wind comes up and makes the old course tougher.

RE: Stanford @ The Open - winflop - 07-12-2022

(07-12-2022, 08:28 AM)Phogge Wrote:  Good luck to Wu and the other kid. I hope Woods misses the cut. Also hope the wind comes up and makes the old course tougher.

Why the hate for Woods? I didn't root for him for several years after all the dirt came out, but at the same time I think he's made amends for it and has really matured into someone who appreciates the history of the game and his role in it.

RE: Stanford @ The Open - Phogge - 07-12-2022

Don't like the way he treated people, especially TV crews. To me just not likable in general. I like kids like Spieth and Homa. Homa was interviewed during the last round of the Scottish by the roving Sky reporter and was gracious. Looked like he enjoyed it and said, "Thank you." There is a reason that so many people root for Jordan.

RE: Stanford @ The Open - Hank 91 - 07-12-2022

Sure, Tiger was sometimes short with reporters when he was younger, but he was arguably the most famous athlete in the world. The demands on his time were different. Jordan Spieth can be generous and gracious because he knows he wakes up every morning in a house that Tiger Woods built. Also, Spieth could likely walk through most malls in America without being bothered or even recognized. That makes a lot of things a lot easier.

But back to Tiger. Like most of us, age and children and adversity have all given Tiger some much needed perspective. Part of the reason for his success -- and you can say this about all elite athletes, Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, Brady -- is that he was focused on himself to a fault. He clearly sees things differently now, and his interactions with the press and even with fans are completely different.

RE: Stanford @ The Open - BostonCard - 07-12-2022

I don’t think it is inherently harder to be kind to others, and there are plenty of elite athletes who are kind, genuine people.

I think one can respect everything that Tiger has accomplished on the golf course, and still lament that he was a bit of a jerk.  I’m glad that age has mellowed him out.

BC

RE: Stanford @ The Open - Goose - 07-12-2022

(07-12-2022, 10:19 AM)BostonCard Wrote:  I don’t think it is inherently harder to be kind to others, and there are plenty of elite athletes who are kind, genuine people.

I think one can respect everything that Tiger has accomplished on the golf course, and still lament that he was a bit of a jerk.  I’m glad that age has mellowed him out.

BC
While I mostly agree with what you say here, I have one caveat that I think merits consideration. While life experiences and reflection may genuinely change a person's approach to his peers, my observation (of people I actually know well enough to evaluate with some confidence) is that often what actually changes is their political skills. The "inner jerk" is still very much there, but they have learned to hide it better in casual situations. When it comes to what they actually do, not how they appear, they haven't changed. Hard to know about Tiger unless you are in his circle, which I am certainly not :-).

RE: Stanford @ The Open - BigJohn043 - 07-12-2022

(07-12-2022, 11:09 AM)Goose Wrote:  
(07-12-2022, 10:19 AM)BostonCard Wrote:  I don’t think it is inherently harder to be kind to others, and there are plenty of elite athletes who are kind, genuine people.

I think one can respect everything that Tiger has accomplished on the golf course, and still lament that he was a bit of a jerk.  I’m glad that age has mellowed him out.

BC
While I mostly agree with what you say here, I have one caveat that I think merits consideration. While life experiences and reflection may genuinely change a person's approach to his peers, my observation (of people I actually know well enough to evaluate with some confidence) is that often what actually changes is their political skills. The "inner jerk" is still very much there, but they have learned to hide it better in casual situations. When it comes to what they actually do, not how they appear, they haven't changed. Hard to know about Tiger unless you are in his circle, which I am certainly not :-).

I live in South Florida and have two kids the exact same age as Tiger's.  We used to live near him up in Jupiter but are now down in Boca.

He is widely considered an ass by parents.  Comes to his kid's soccer games and stands in the corner talking to no one.  Seems to lack the ability to be a real human being with normal people.

FWIW, Elin is considered to be very nice....

RE: Stanford @ The Open - Mick - 07-12-2022

(07-12-2022, 01:19 PM)BigJohn043 Wrote:  
(07-12-2022, 11:09 AM)Goose Wrote:  
(07-12-2022, 10:19 AM)BostonCard Wrote:  I don’t think it is inherently harder to be kind to others, and there are plenty of elite athletes who are kind, genuine people.

I think one can respect everything that Tiger has accomplished on the golf course, and still lament that he was a bit of a jerk.  I’m glad that age has mellowed him out.

BC
While I mostly agree with what you say here, I have one caveat that I think merits consideration. While life experiences and reflection may genuinely change a person's approach to his peers, my observation (of people I actually know well enough to evaluate with some confidence) is that often what actually changes is their political skills. The "inner jerk" is still very much there, but they have learned to hide it better in casual situations. When it comes to what they actually do, not how they appear, they haven't changed. Hard to know about Tiger unless you are in his circle, which I am certainly not :-).

I live in South Florida and have two kids the exact same age as Tiger's.  We used to live near him up in Jupiter but are now down in Boca.

He is widely considered an ass by parents.  Comes to his kid's soccer games and stands in the corner talking to no one.  Seems to lack the ability to be a real human being with normal people.

FWIW, Elin is considered to be very nice....

Funny how those play out.  My kid used to play basketball against Joe Montana's kid.  Joe was aloof (fine), his wife was rude. W/E.

RE: Stanford @ The Open - Phogge - 07-12-2022

Joe was inherently shy. I shot numerous days with him. Always a gentleman and would often hang around and talk to us.

Strike one on Woods was his demeanor. Strike two was that he created Stevie Williams. Strike three was his moral code.

I get that he was a "Stanford Man." You guys go cheer for him.

RE: Stanford @ The Open - magnus - 07-13-2022

In dorm life,  Tiger seemed fine.  Made non-golf friends and other than the fact that he was gone more than half the time,  seemed like any other student (which admittedly is a wide spectrumed description).

Did not foresee the path his career took,  that's for sure.

RE: Stanford @ The Open - lex24 - 07-13-2022

(07-12-2022, 01:19 PM)BigJohn043 Wrote:  
(07-12-2022, 11:09 AM)Goose Wrote:  
(07-12-2022, 10:19 AM)BostonCard Wrote:  I don’t think it is inherently harder to be kind to others, and there are plenty of elite athletes who are kind, genuine people.

I think one can respect everything that Tiger has accomplished on the golf course, and still lament that he was a bit of a jerk.  I’m glad that age has mellowed him out.

BC
While I mostly agree with what you say here, I have one caveat that I think merits consideration. While life experiences and reflection may genuinely change a person's approach to his peers, my observation (of people I actually know well enough to evaluate with some confidence) is that often what actually changes is their political skills. The "inner jerk" is still very much there, but they have learned to hide it better in casual situations. When it comes to what they actually do, not how they appear, they haven't changed. Hard to know about Tiger unless you are in his circle, which I am certainly not :-).

I live in South Florida and have two kids the exact same age as Tiger's.  We used to live near him up in Jupiter but are now down in Boca.

He is widely considered an ass by parents.  Comes to his kid's soccer games and stands in the corner talking to no one.  Seems to lack the ability to be a real human being with normal people.

FWIW, Elin is considered to be very nice....

I understand why very famous people are “aloof” at things like their kids games. It’s the kids time not theirs.

RE: Stanford @ The Open - akiddoc - 07-13-2022

Many people perceived as "jerks" have personality characteristics that make social interactions difficult in certain situations. Shyness, social anxiety (kind of the same thing), and depression can all create awkwardness or overcompensation. Unless you know someone more than superficially it can be hard to know someone's thoughts.

RE: Stanford @ The Open - cardcrimson - 07-13-2022

(07-12-2022, 01:19 PM)BigJohn043 Wrote:  He is widely considered an ass by parents.  Comes to his kid's soccer games and stands in the corner talking to no one.  Seems to lack the ability to be a real human being with normal people.

FWIW, Elin is considered to be very nice....

Probably trying to keep a nine iron's distance away from Elin. . . .

RE: Stanford @ The Open - Mick - 07-13-2022

(07-13-2022, 08:00 PM)akiddoc Wrote:  Many people perceived as "jerks" have personality characteristics that make social interactions difficult in certain situations. Shyness, social anxiety (kind of the same thing), and depression can all create awkwardness or overcompensation. Unless you know someone more than superficially it can be hard to know someone's thoughts.

I have an individual who works for me with that kind of profile. It's not uncommon, and it's difficult to understand on a superficial basis. I get that.

With respect to Mrs. Montana, I know what shyness and social anxiety are.  That wasn't it, to put it mildly.
(07-13-2022, 07:35 PM)lex24 Wrote:  I understand why very famous people are “aloof” at things like their kids games. It’s the kids time not theirs.

Right.  Which is why I wrote "aloof" (fine).  Completely fine with it.  No one bothered Montana at his kid's game.  In fact, I've run across a number of celebrity athletes at various competitive tournaments. My kid and Jesse Sapolu's are the same age, same as mine and John Paye's.  Met both of them, it was fine.  (I'd tackled Paye in high school, he didn't remember. Was a terrible tackle).

RE: Stanford @ The Open - 82lsju - 07-14-2022

Quote:Had the 21-year-old Englishman been able to sleep through a fitful night before his 6:46 a.m. tee time, his dreams likely wouldn’t have included a four-under 68 in his first Open Championship, at the Home of Golf, with a birdie on the notoriously evil Road Hole. But it happened, and now Brown, a rising senior at Stanford, was trying to absorb the fact he was contending at the 150th Open.

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/british-open-2022-barclay-brown-amateur-day-1-68

RE: Stanford @ The Open - bl82 - 07-14-2022

BArclay Brown opens with a 68! At -4 he is currently tied for 4th, with lots of golfers still on the course. Any way you slice (or hook) it, that's one helluva start.

RE: Stanford @ The Open - msqueri - 07-14-2022

And Wu shot a 71, currently 32nd. Making the cut would be a brobdingnagian accomplishment for either. Alas, Tiger is doing much worse. It also must be frustrating to McNealy to continue to be just not quite over the hump on qualifying for many of the biggest tournaments.

RE: Stanford @ The Open - winflop - 07-14-2022

Fantastic round by Brown and a very solid round by Wu! Fingers crossed they can keep it going tomorrow and at least make the cut.

Tiger...well he'll probably strike a farewell pose on the Swilcan Bridge tomorrow. He will be eligible to play the next two Opens at St Andrews, likely to be in 2027 and 2032 but doubtful he will be a contender. I expect he will always come back to The Open at the Old Course it's his favorite course in the world.

I was surprised to learn that the low amateur at the majors does NOT automatically get into next year's tournament

RE: Stanford @ The Open - lex24 - 07-14-2022

(07-13-2022, 08:00 PM)akiddoc Wrote:  Many people perceived as "jerks" have personality characteristics that make social interactions difficult in certain situations. Shyness, social anxiety (kind of the same thing), and depression can all create awkwardness or overcompensation. Unless you know someone more than superficially it can be hard to know someone's thoughts.

Great post, Doc.