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MBB: Wisconsin/Stanford - formerlybis - 11-11-2022
Hey folks, Badger fan here, coming by to see what you folks are talking about. Which seems to be not much about this game... But, it is still fall sports season and a couple weeks before T-day, so not entirely in the swing of things yet for hoops.
First topic, the venue for tonight - it's at Miller Park, er, American Family Field in Milwaukee. There are a lot of Badgers fans in MKE and all over the state, but the face value for tickets was terribly overpriced given that the sightlines and distance to the court appear to be less than ideal. I suspect a much lower attendance than they were hoping for, and overall, it may not have been a great idea. Marquette plays its home games in the Bucks' arena, so that was never an option, Maybe AmFam had aspirations of hosting NCAA games and wanted to try this out, but I suspect this will be a failed experiment.
Ok, about the team. The media consensus is they're picked to finish around 9th. This is about the same as last year, and they ended up winning a share of the conference title. Part of that was the unexpected explosion of (now Washington Wizard) Johnny Davis, and it doesn't seem like UW has a guy like that this year. We'll see - Wisconsin tends to do better than expected a lot, but there's some solid teams in the league
There's really 3 known commodities returning from last year - PG Chucky Hepburn, F/C Steven Crowl, and F Tyler Wahl. Hepburn is not terribly flashy, but solid on both ends of the court. Crowl is a 7-footer who shoots a lot of 3s vs. mixing it up inside. Wahl is probably the star of the team - he's a stat-stuffer and hustle-type of player, but he's not particularly good from distance. I think both Wahl and Hepburn are projected first team All-conference.
The rest of the team, however, are giant question marks. The shooting guard starter, Max Klesmit, is a transfer from Wofford, so I suspect he's played against Jones. He's on the smallish side, but appears to be a relatively good 3-shooter. The other starter is Jordan Davis, Johnny's twin brother, who played sparingly his first two years. The starters played about 2/3 of the minutes in the first game against South Dakota.
The backup PG, Kamari McGee, is a transfer from UW-Green Bay. He's quick and flashy but hasn't learned how to play in UW's low-turnover philosophy yet. The backup SG is a true freshman from Indiana, Connor Essegian - he comes with the reputation of an outstanding shooter and scorer, but you traditionally earn minutes at Wisconsin by playing good team defense - yet to be seen if he can pick that up well enough. Another shooter is a guy who transferred in from UNLV last year, Isaac Lindsey - he's not expected to play all that much, but if comes in, he'll shoot it if he touches it.
For bigs, it's kind of a mess. Jahcobi Neath is in his 2nd season with the Badgers after transferring in from Wake Forest. He's really more of a G/F and his time in Madison has been marred by lingering injuries, but he has the potential to be a key contributor. Then you have a duo of Carter Gilmore and Markus Ilver - Gilmore gives you fewer mistakes defensively, and Ilver can shoot. None of these guys I've mentioned so far are really able to guard a center. When Crowl needs a rest or is in foul trouble, Wisconsin is in trouble. I think the plan is to move Wahl over to guarding the 5, mostly. They do have a C on the bench in Hodges who redshirted last year, but he doesn't seem particularly ready to play a lot of minutes outside of emergency situations.
Defense has been exclusively man-to-man for decades, but there is a rumor that the team has practiced some zone. It would blow Badger fans' minds to see that. They are into analytics, and would like to make you shoot difficult twos, Rebounding is a true question mark with this team - we just don't know whether they will be good at it or not with all the new faces. Traditionally, they've been good at defensive rebounds and really bad at offensive rebounding - that second part is intentional and part of the philosophy to get back on defense and limit transition opportunities.
I know, TL;DR. Hit me with any questions.
RE: MBB: Wisconsin/Stanford - CompSci87 - 11-11-2022
Thanks for coming by with all that info!
RE: MBB: Wisconsin/Stanford - AlbanyCardinal - 11-11-2022
I second the thanks for swinging by with the scouting report. I'm especially curious to see how our sophomore C Raynaud (7'1") does against Crowl. He had a big game earlier in the week, but the opponent didn't have a player that really tested him (or came close to equalling him in height). We're also hoping that one of our vets, F Spencer Jones, will be able to play; he sat out the opener with a slight leg tweak. Our one transfer, G Michael Jones (from Davidson), had a big debut on the Farm. There's talent and experience on this team, but Haase's squads have so far regularly been prone to turnovers and struggled to build on and maintain leads. Most of his teams have mid- and late-season collapses, too, but that pattern doesn't help your Badgers in this case.
Here's to a great game.
RE: MBB: Wisconsin/Stanford - McKenwood - 11-11-2022
Great summary of the current Wisconsin squad. Thank you. I've always felt Wisconsin (and to some extent Virginia) should be the MBB models that Stanford should seek to emulate. Unfortunately Dawkins and now Haase did not feel that way. Chasing the obvious NBA players is fraught with complications.
Also I have several family members are brobdingnagian Badger fans (recent graduates) so the Wisconsin football and MBB teams have been my rooting interests when it comes to conference champioship and tournament seasons simply because Stanford has not been a factor in these two sports recently.
Stanford's team relative to Haase's other teams is experienced, which is a good thing, although the team went .500 last year. The addition of Michael Jones from Davidson could be difference maker as Stanford's shooting has been mediocre. Stanford's two Jones attack could be the best outside shooting combination in the Pac-12. Turnovers have been the other bugaboo under Coach Haase. Not clear if that has been fixed.
One wildcard for Stanford this season is Maxime Reynaud their sophomore center from France. His offensive skills can be superb. Not sure how he matches up defensively against Wahl and the tall center for the Badgers though.
Badgers are a great test for Stanford. Realistically Stanford has to win this game or the one against SDSU (#19 in the country) to keep on track for an NCAA berth. I'll be conflicted here but I hope Stanford comes out on top.
RE: MBB: Wisconsin/Stanford - Phogge - 11-11-2022
Stanford is now a women's hoops school.
RE: MBB: Wisconsin/Stanford - formerlybis - 11-11-2022
(11-11-2022, 02:55 PM)McKenwood Wrote: Great summary of the current Wisconsin squad. Thank you. I've always felt Wisconsin (and to some extent Virginia) should be the MBB models that Stanford should seek to emulate. Unfortunately Dawkins and now Haase did not feel that way. Chasing the obvious NBA players is fraught with complications.
Also I have several family members are of immense proportions Badger fans (recent graduates) so the Wisconsin football and MBB teams have been my rooting interests when it comes to conference champioship and tournament seasons simply because Stanford has not been a factor in these two sports recently.
Stanford's team relative to Haase's other teams is experienced, which is a good thing, although the team went .500 last year. The addition of Michael Jones from Davidson could be difference maker as Stanford's shooting has been mediocre. Stanford's two Jones attack could be the best outside shooting combination in the Pac-12. Turnovers have been the other bugaboo under Coach Haase. Not clear if that has been fixed.
One wildcard for Stanford this season is Maxine Reynaud their sophomore center from France. His offensive skills can be superb. Not sure how he matches up defensively against Wahl and the tall center for the Badgers though.
Badgers are a great test for Stanford. Realistically Stanford has to win this game or the one against SDSU (#19 in the country) to keep on track for an NCAA berth. I'll be conflicted here but I hope Stanford comes out on top.
A couple things to comment on - first, Wisconsin (traditionally) is not a team that forces a lot of turnovers; it's not a high-pressure defense. This is not to say they aren't usually tough on D, because they are - it's less about disrupting passing lanes and more about forcing you into difficult shots.
Second, the Badgers had an overseas trip to France this summer, and it was chronicled in a 3-part documentary on the Big Ten Network. I imagine they'll want to chat up Reynaud before and after the game.
RE: MBB: Wisconsin/Stanford - McKenwood - 11-11-2022
(11-11-2022, 03:15 PM)formerlybis Wrote:(11-11-2022, 02:55 PM)McKenwood Wrote: Great summary of the current Wisconsin squad. Thank you. I've always felt Wisconsin (and to some extent Virginia) should be the MBB models that Stanford should seek to emulate. Unfortunately Dawkins and now Haase did not feel that way. Chasing the obvious NBA players is fraught with complications.
Also I have several family members are of immense proportions Badger fans (recent graduates) so the Wisconsin football and MBB teams have been my rooting interests when it comes to conference champioship and tournament seasons simply because Stanford has not been a factor in these two sports recently.
Stanford's team relative to Haase's other teams is experienced, which is a good thing, although the team went .500 last year. The addition of Michael Jones from Davidson could be difference maker as Stanford's shooting has been mediocre. Stanford's two Jones attack could be the best outside shooting combination in the Pac-12. Turnovers have been the other bugaboo under Coach Haase. Not clear if that has been fixed.
One wildcard for Stanford this season is Maxine Reynaud their sophomore center from France. His offensive skills can be superb. Not sure how he matches up defensively against Wahl and the tall center for the Badgers though.
Badgers are a great test for Stanford. Realistically Stanford has to win this game or the one against SDSU (#19 in the country) to keep on track for an NCAA berth. I'll be conflicted here but I hope Stanford comes out on top.
A couple things to comment on - first, Wisconsin (traditionally) is not a team that forces a lot of turnovers; it's not a high-pressure defense. This is not to say they aren't usually tough on D, because they are - it's less about disrupting passing lanes and more about forcing you into difficult shots.
Second, the Badgers had an overseas trip to France this summer, and it was chronicled in a 3-part documentary on the Big Ten Network. I imagine they'll want to chat up Reynaud before and after the game.
So I guess we should be watching see if the Badger players start talking merde during the game. :)
Mike Montgomery's best defenses were not high pressure but did force opponents into low percentage shots so we are familiar with that approach. Stanford has not been able to emulate that since although Haase had one or two years with well above average defenses.
RE: MBB: Wisconsin/Stanford - AlbanyCardinal - 11-11-2022
Haase's teams have rarely required pressing defenses to force turnovers.
(11-11-2022, 03:15 PM)formerlybis Wrote:(11-11-2022, 02:55 PM)McKenwood Wrote: Great summary of the current Wisconsin squad. Thank you. I've always felt Wisconsin (and to some extent Virginia) should be the MBB models that Stanford should seek to emulate. Unfortunately Dawkins and now Haase did not feel that way. Chasing the obvious NBA players is fraught with complications.
Also I have several family members are of immense proportions Badger fans (recent graduates) so the Wisconsin football and MBB teams have been my rooting interests when it comes to conference champioship and tournament seasons simply because Stanford has not been a factor in these two sports recently.
Stanford's team relative to Haase's other teams is experienced, which is a good thing, although the team went .500 last year. The addition of Michael Jones from Davidson could be difference maker as Stanford's shooting has been mediocre. Stanford's two Jones attack could be the best outside shooting combination in the Pac-12. Turnovers have been the other bugaboo under Coach Haase. Not clear if that has been fixed.
One wildcard for Stanford this season is Maxine Reynaud their sophomore center from France. His offensive skills can be superb. Not sure how he matches up defensively against Wahl and the tall center for the Badgers though.
Badgers are a great test for Stanford. Realistically Stanford has to win this game or the one against SDSU (#19 in the country) to keep on track for an NCAA berth. I'll be conflicted here but I hope Stanford comes out on top.
A couple things to comment on - first, Wisconsin (traditionally) is not a team that forces a lot of turnovers; it's not a high-pressure defense. This is not to say they aren't usually tough on D, because they are - it's less about disrupting passing lanes and more about forcing you into difficult shots.
Second, the Badgers had an overseas trip to France this summer, and it was chronicled in a 3-part documentary on the Big Ten Network. I imagine they'll want to chat up Reynaud before and after the game.
RE: MBB: Wisconsin/Stanford - McKenwood - 11-11-2022
(11-11-2022, 03:11 PM)Phogge Wrote: Stanford is now a women's hoops school.
If you read only this board your comment would be 100% accurate.
RE: MBB: Wisconsin/Stanford - needle - 11-11-2022
Looking forward to this game! Wisky is a 4.5 or 3.5 point favorite, which seems a tad high. The truth, however, is that Stanford teams have generally been awful on offense (ranked 231st last season) despite having talented guys in the line-up. On the road against a team known for defense, Stanford should be the underdog. OTOH, Stanford returns a lot of guys from last year and they presumably should be more cohesive as a team compared to any team with several transfers.
Quote: Ingram's return, the Cardinal are now the most experienced team in the Pac-12 as according to 247Sports, they are returning 78.5% of their scoring, 81.4% of their rebound production, 87.4% of their assists, and 84.1% of their three point shooting produc.
https://www.si.com/college/stanford/.amp/basketball/stanford-hoops-set-to-have-most-experienced-team-in-pac-12
RE: MBB: Wisconsin/Stanford - BostonCard - 11-11-2022
(11-11-2022, 03:26 PM)McKenwood Wrote:(11-11-2022, 03:11 PM)Phogge Wrote: Stanford is now a women's hoops school.
If you read only this board your comment would be 100% accurate.
That's not true; if you read this board you'd be aware that we are also a golf school (women's especially, but also men's), a tennis school (again, mostly women's), a volleyball school (pretty much all women), a gymnastics school (especially the men), a cross country school...
BC
RE: MBB: Wisconsin/Stanford - JJJ - 11-11-2022
Is this the de facto game thread? Spencer Jones has come off the bench and scored, and we are holding our own vs the Badgers about halway thru 1H. Depth perception may be an issue for both teams.
RE: MBB: Wisconsin/Stanford - needle - 11-11-2022
Late in the first half, will Stanford have more turnovers or field goals at halftime?
RE: MBB: Wisconsin/Stanford - BostonCard - 11-11-2022
9 turnovers, 6 field goals... *sigh*
BC
RE: MBB: Wisconsin/Stanford - burger - 11-11-2022
10 turnovers now.
It's the same thing every. single. season. with Haase. Sigh.
Edit: looks like turnovers went to 12 while I was typing.
RE: MBB: Wisconsin/Stanford - BostonCard - 11-11-2022
At halftime, the final tally is 12(!) turnovers, 7 field goals. Also, three point percentage 0 point 0 (0/9).
BC
RE: MBB: Wisconsin/Stanford - JJJ - 11-11-2022
We had something like a 7-minute FG drought and are O-fer 9-ish treys and missed a couple of point-blank bunnies. Really should be right in this game but we’re not. We can still do this!
RE: MBB: Wisconsin/Stanford - magnus - 11-11-2022
Wonder if the stadium setting is causing shooting unease.
RE: MBB: Wisconsin/Stanford - Farm93 - 11-11-2022
I am always amazed that the TV personalities continue to endless praise Coach Haase.
"...Stanford is returning a lot of talent, why is Stanford picked to finish 5th?"
The Haase spell must be really powerful because the answer is painfully obvious.
FWIW - The poor shooting seems forgivable tonight. IMHO The sight lines in that baseball stadium look awful. I think the situation is more challenging that your average NCAA tournament game in a football dome. On that note, I guess Haase signed up for this game to prepare the team for the big venue challenges that are typical at NCAA Regionals and NCAA Final Four stadiums. LOL
RE: MBB: Wisconsin/Stanford - BobK - 11-11-2022
Stanford 11 turnovers wisc 3