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Chron today - Phogge - 11-17-2022

Sporting Green front page article on Stanford and Shaw. Shaw’s non responsive response to reporters, recruiting disadvantages, underperforming recruits, etc. Shaw probably reading it with his little shit eating grin on.

RE: Chron today - gailtate - 11-17-2022

(11-17-2022, 05:30 PM)Phogge Wrote:  Sporting Green front page article on Stanford and Shaw. Shaw’s non responsive response to reporters, recruiting disadvantages, underperforming recruits, etc. Shaw probably reading it with his little shit eating grin on.

"The Ambassador".  Yeah, right.

RE: Chron today - McKenwood - 11-17-2022

(11-17-2022, 05:30 PM)Phogge Wrote:  Sporting Green front page article on Stanford and Shaw. Shaw’s non responsive response to reporters, recruiting disadvantages, underperforming recruits, etc. Shaw probably reading it with his little shit eating grin on.

The pressure must be getting to Shaw. He has been arrogant before and often unaware of his shortcomings but I have never heard him get snippy with a reporter before.

This may be the end for a decent man who could not be truthful with himself. I always wonder if he had fully reevaluated things after the 2019 season whether things could have been different. When he made no changes to an obviously deficient coaching staff after the 2021 season I knew he was cooked. The question now is when does he get pulled out of the oven.

RE: Chron today - winflop - 11-18-2022

(11-17-2022, 08:30 PM)McKenwood Wrote:  
(11-17-2022, 05:30 PM)Phogge Wrote:  Sporting Green front page article on Stanford and Shaw. Shaw’s non responsive response to reporters, recruiting disadvantages, underperforming recruits, etc. Shaw probably reading it with his little shit eating grin on.

The pressure must be getting to Shaw. He has been arrogant before and often unaware of his shortcomings but I have never heard him get snippy with a reporter before.

This may be the end for a decent man who could not be truthful with himself. I always wonder if he had fully reevaluated things after the 2019 season whether things could have been different. When he made no changes to an obviously deficient coaching staff after the 2021 season I knew he was cooked. The question now is when does he get pulled out of the oven.

I hope he resigns rather than being fired.

RE: Chron today - gailtate - 11-18-2022

(11-18-2022, 07:37 AM)winflop Wrote:  
(11-17-2022, 08:30 PM)McKenwood Wrote:  
(11-17-2022, 05:30 PM)Phogge Wrote:  Sporting Green front page article on Stanford and Shaw. Shaw’s non responsive response to reporters, recruiting disadvantages, underperforming recruits, etc. Shaw probably reading it with his little shit eating grin on.

The pressure must be getting to Shaw. He has been arrogant before and often unaware of his shortcomings but I have never heard him get snippy with a reporter before.

This may be the end for a decent man who could not be truthful with himself. I always wonder if he had fully reevaluated things after the 2019 season whether things could have been different. When he made no changes to an obviously deficient coaching staff after the 2021 season I knew he was cooked. The question now is when does he get pulled out of the oven.

I hope he resigns rather than being fired.

Given his legacy I suspect he'll be gently elevated upward and outward. "HC Emeritus" or something. But the longer he hangs on the more he becomes a embarrassment to everybody. Of course, kicking and screaming would be better theater, but unlikely. Still, even he has an expiration date. Pretty sad, actually, but he brought it on all by himself.

RE: Chron today - lex24 - 11-18-2022

I put the odds of Shaw not returning as HC next year at 5 to 1.  My guess, he will make some changes within his assistant ranks.  But he gets one more year.

He should go. I agree with folks on that. The personal attacks are, imo, a bit off putting.

RE: Chron today - Maple Leaf - 11-18-2022

(11-17-2022, 05:30 PM)Phogge Wrote:  Sporting Green front page article on Stanford and Shaw. Shaw’s non responsive response to reporters, recruiting disadvantages, underperforming recruits, etc. Shaw probably reading it with his little shit eating grin on.

Curious about the Chron's the use of green paper for Sports section of the newspaper.  Anybody knows the history behind this?

RE: Chron today - OutsiderFan - 11-18-2022

(11-18-2022, 08:07 AM)lex24 Wrote:  I put the odds of Shaw not returning as HC next year at 5 to 1.  My guess, he will make some changes within his assistant ranks.  But he gets one more year.

What would be the rationale for this? How does it make sense to "get one more year," exactly?  I mean if you are saying "one more year" you are effectively already showing you don't have confidence. Why do you want someone in charge who doesn't have your confidence? Makes zero sense.

Brian Kelly went 4-8, cleaned house, and returned to Top 10 status. But these changes came from himself, not after being pressured to make changes. Jim Harbaugh is another one. He makes changes proactively and is always looking to improve.

I've never in my memory seen a coach pressured into making coaching staff changes ever turn things around because the fact he didn't do it himself demonstrates he isn't fit for the job. Shaw proved he was unfit when he made zero changes after last season. That was proof Stanford Football isn't being led by serious people and why I stopped taking the program seriously.

RE: Chron today - gailtate - 11-18-2022

(11-18-2022, 08:38 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:  
(11-18-2022, 08:07 AM)lex24 Wrote:  I put the odds of Shaw not returning as HC next year at 5 to 1.  My guess, he will make some changes within his assistant ranks.  But he gets one more year.

What would be the rationale for this? How does it make sense to "get one more year," exactly?  I mean if you are saying "one more year" you are effectively already showing you don't have confidence. Why do you want someone in charge who doesn't have your confidence? Makes zero sense.

Brian Kelly went 4-8, cleaned house, and returned to Top 10 status. But these changes came from himself, not after being pressured to make changes. Jim Harbaugh is another one. He makes changes proactively and is always looking to improve.

I've never in my memory seen a coach pressured into making coaching staff changes ever turn things around because the fact he didn't do it himself demonstrates he isn't fit for the job. Shaw proved he was unfit when he made zero changes after last season. That was proof Stanford Football isn't being led by serious people and why I stopped taking the program seriously.

...and why I  lost admiration for Shaw. I respect him but no longer admire. In any way. As for his betters in the administrative ranks, they are sniveling educrats not unlike the breed found in other institutions of higher learning.

RE: Chron today - winflop - 11-18-2022

(11-18-2022, 08:38 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:  Shaw proved he was unfit when he made zero changes after last season.

I was highly skeptical of that decision but at the same time I believed that Shaw had earned the right to try to turn the ship around as he saw fit. However, it's now clear that this was a bad decision - along with implementing the RPSlowMesh which was just seems beyond dumb given our personnel.

He tried. He failed. Time to turn it over to someone else.

As for "odds" on him leaving, I have no idea what those are. I just know that I won't be going to any games or even watching them on TV as long as he's the head coach. Not worth my time.

RE: Chron today - SamuelMcF - 11-18-2022

(11-18-2022, 08:38 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:  Brian Kelly went 4-8, cleaned house, and returned to Top 10 status. But these changes came from himself, not after being pressured to make changes.

Patently untrue. Kelly was given an ultimatum by the AD (along with immense pressure from boosters) to clean house precisely because of how disastrous that year was. It was him or his staff.

Turns out having an AD who cares what the boosters think and actually watches the on-field product critically is helpful in this kind of situation.

I've been banging this drum ever since it happened.

RE: Chron today - McKenwood - 11-18-2022

(11-18-2022, 10:25 AM)SamuelMcF Wrote:  
(11-18-2022, 08:38 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:  Brian Kelly went 4-8, cleaned house, and returned to Top 10 status. But these changes came from himself, not after being pressured to make changes.

Patently untrue. Kelly was given an ultimatum by the AD (along with immense pressure from boosters) to clean house precisely because of how disastrous that year was. It was him or his staff.

Turns out having an AD who cares what the boosters think and actually watches the on-field product critically is helpful in this kind of situation.

I've been banging this drum ever since it happened.

You are absolutely correct.

The failure of Muir to get Shaw to change his ways provides another reason (there are about ten solid ones) that Muir is not up to his job.

RE: Chron today - Phogge - 11-18-2022

My mom taught me to read before kindergarten. Used the Chronicle not text books. Think I started just as I turned four. The Sports were all green pages in 1950. Growing up nobody called it the Sports or the Sporting Green. It was always the "Green." Back then in The City newspapers ruled. The Examiner, the Call, the Bulletin, the News, the Progress plus an AA paper. The Bulletin became the Call Bulleti and then the News Call Bulletin. The Ex and the Chron merged their printing business and put out a combined Sunday paper in the late 60's. The conservative Examiner founded by WH Hearst is now a liberal paper preaching to the choir of San Franciscans. Herb Caen, Stan Delaplane, Paine Knickerbacher, John Wasserman, Bill Leiser, Will Connolly and Chuck McCabe all had the effrontery to die and the paper over the years has increased in boredom while decreasing its number of pages.

All the young folks and those who sprint through life can't handle an actual paper newspaper. A pox on them. The Chron will only deliver on Sundays to my non-county maintained road so I only have a once a week bliss reading in front of the wood stove. Ted Kacsynski did have a couple of things right.

So I don't know when the green paper started but it was green in 1950.

RE: Chron today - Mick - 11-18-2022

(11-18-2022, 11:04 AM)Phogge Wrote:  My mom taught me to read before kindergarten. Used the Chronicle not text books. Think I started just as I turned four. The Sports were all green pages in 1950. Growing up nobody called it the Sports or the Sporting Green. It was always the "Green." Back then in The City newspapers ruled. The Examiner, the Call, the Bulletin, the News, the Progress plus an AA paper. The Bulletin became the Call Bulleti and then the News Call Bulletin. The Ex and the Chron merged their printing business and put out a combined Sunday paper in the late 60's. The conservative Examiner founded by WH Hearst is now a liberal paper preaching to the choir of San Franciscans. Herb Caen, Stan Delaplane, Paine Knickerbacher, John Wasserman, Bill Leiser, Will Connolly and Chuck McCabe all had the effrontery to die and the paper over the years has increased in boredom while decreasing its number of pages.

All the young folks and those who sprint through life can't handle an actual paper newspaper. A pox on them. The Chron will only deliver on Sundays to my non-county maintained road so I only have a once a week bliss reading in front of the wood stove. Ted Kacsynski did have a couple of things right.

So I don't know when the green paper started but it was green in 1950.

We used to get three daily newspapers delivered when I was a kid. I really miss them. Really miss Herb Caen.

RE: Chron today - chrisk - 11-18-2022

(11-18-2022, 08:12 AM)Maple Leaf Wrote:  
(11-17-2022, 05:30 PM)Phogge Wrote:  Sporting Green front page article on Stanford and Shaw. Shaw’s non responsive response to reporters, recruiting disadvantages, underperforming recruits, etc. Shaw probably reading it with his little shit eating grin on.

Curious about the Chron's the use of green paper for Sports section of the newspaper.  Anybody knows the history behind this?

The green paper started in the early 1900’s as a tool in the circulation wars of those days. They stopped using actual green paper about 50 years ago, because of costs and the new use of color pictures. For years, they just put a splash on green of the first sports page. About 20 years ago, with modern color printing technology, they used green ink to return the first sports page to green.

(In the old days, the pink section of the Chronicle was printed on pink paper.

RE: Chron today - Maple Leaf - 11-18-2022

(11-18-2022, 11:04 AM)Phogge Wrote:  My mom taught me to read before kindergarten. Used the Chronicle not text books. Think I started just as I turned four. The Sports were all green pages in 1950. Growing up nobody called it the Sports or the Sporting Green. It was always the "Green." Back then in The City newspapers ruled. The Examiner, the Call, the Bulletin, the News, the Progress plus an AA paper. The Bulletin became the Call Bulleti and then the News Call Bulletin. The Ex and the Chron merged their printing business and put out a combined Sunday paper in the late 60's. The conservative Examiner founded by WH Hearst is now a liberal paper preaching to the choir of San Franciscans. Herb Caen, Stan Delaplane, Paine Knickerbacher, John Wasserman, Bill Leiser, Will Connolly and Chuck McCabe all had the effrontery to die and the paper over the years has increased in boredom while decreasing its number of pages.

All the young folks and those who sprint through life can't handle an actual paper newspaper. A pox on them. The Chron will only deliver on Sundays to my non-county maintained road so I only have a once a week bliss reading in front of the wood stove. Ted Kacsynski did have a couple of things right.

So I don't know when the green paper started but it was green in 1950.

Really enjoyed the Sunday combination paper of the Ex and Chron, the Business and Real Estate sections were a wealth of knowledge plus the Editorials/Opinions were usually thought provoking.

RE: Chron today - Phogge - 11-18-2022

(11-18-2022, 11:27 AM)chrisk Wrote:  
(11-18-2022, 08:12 AM)Maple Leaf Wrote:  
(11-17-2022, 05:30 PM)Phogge Wrote:  Sporting Green front page article on Stanford and Shaw. Shaw’s non responsive response to reporters, recruiting disadvantages, underperforming recruits, etc. Shaw probably reading it with his little shit eating grin on.

Curious about the Chron's the use of green paper for Sports section of the newspaper.  Anybody knows the history behind this?

The green paper started in the early 1900’s as a tool in the circulation wars of those days.  They stopped using actual green paper about 50 years ago, because of costs and the new use of color pictures.  For years, they just put a splash on green of the first sports page.  About 20 years ago, with modern color printing technology, they used green ink to return the first sports page to green.

(In the old days, the pink section of the Chronicle was printed on pink paper.

I still have one of the old Saturday's Chron on Big Game Day. All green and featured Bill Leiser's BG chronology. He leaned a bit toward Stanford amid a staff who bled Blue. Probably eight pages of BG facts and features. It was the sports event of the year in the Bay Area. Now hardly anybody cares.

RE: Chron today - Maple Leaf - 11-18-2022

(11-18-2022, 11:52 AM)Phogge Wrote:  
(11-18-2022, 11:27 AM)chrisk Wrote:  
(11-18-2022, 08:12 AM)Maple Leaf Wrote:  
(11-17-2022, 05:30 PM)Phogge Wrote:  Sporting Green front page article on Stanford and Shaw. Shaw’s non responsive response to reporters, recruiting disadvantages, underperforming recruits, etc. Shaw probably reading it with his little shit eating grin on.

Curious about the Chron's the use of green paper for Sports section of the newspaper.  Anybody knows the history behind this?

The green paper started in the early 1900’s as a tool in the circulation wars of those days.  They stopped using actual green paper about 50 years ago, because of costs and the new use of color pictures.  For years, they just put a splash on green of the first sports page.  About 20 years ago, with modern color printing technology, they used green ink to return the first sports page to green.

(In the old days, the pink section of the Chronicle was printed on pink paper.

I still have one of the old Saturday's Chron on Big Game Day. All green and featured Bill Leiser's BG chronology. He leaned a bit toward Stanford amid a staff who bled Blue. Probably eight pages of BG facts and features. It was the sports event of the year in the Bay Area. Now hardly anybody cares.

....who does not seem to care very well includes the administration at both schools, not only about the Big Game but about anything other than research grants, awards, publications and getting hook, line and sinker into the big donor pool.  The article in the Chron mentions Don Cook a former QB who played under Ralston, and who was not attending games at the present time for the obvious reasons.  I have gotten to know two former Cal back up qb's one was in school the same time as Cook, the other about 8 years later, both do not go to Cal games at the current time for the same reasons.

RE: Chron today - OutsiderFan - 11-18-2022

(11-18-2022, 10:25 AM)SamuelMcF Wrote:  
(11-18-2022, 08:38 AM)OutsiderFan Wrote:  Brian Kelly went 4-8, cleaned house, and returned to Top 10 status. But these changes came from himself, not after being pressured to make changes.

Patently untrue. Kelly was given an ultimatum by the AD (along with immense pressure from boosters) to clean house precisely because of how disastrous that year was. It was him or his staff.

Turns out having an AD who cares what the boosters think and actually watches the on-field product critically is helpful in this kind of situation.

I've been banging this drum ever since it happened.

OK, but really, does it matter who demands changes as long as they are made?  And I'm sorry, but Brain Kelly has built multiple programs into winners.  He knows what it takes to win and is not one who accepts losing.  He might have been pressured to make changes, but I'm sure he didn't fight it, asked for a bigger coaching staff budget got it, and gladly obliged.

RE: Chron today - BobK - 11-18-2022

Since there are old guys here. Steve Thurow’s granddaughter signed to play Lacrosse at Stanford next year