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Sunday morning thoughts - Big Game - msqueri - 11-20-2022
1. The most depressing part about yesterday's game was that blowing a big (by these two teams' standards) fourth quarter lead to lose a heart-breaker against our rival felt like dodging a bullet. Those who follow the program know that, for the complacent set, wins against Notre Dame and Cal would have ludicrously covered up a lot of sins. Now there's at least a chance that the accumulating embarrassments and futility might rattle those who matter. Please. This needs to stop. It's such an embarrassment to the university and disservice to the players, and there's no point to it. It isn't providing a good experience to student-athletes, building bonds of attachment for alumni to the university, making money, or advancing Stanford's reputation. It's a lose-lose-lose-lose proposition. This shouldn't be a hard call to move on and hopefully the mounting indignities make it happen. I know it's an uphill battle but we shouldn't lose sight of what a no brainer it is that Stanford needs to move on from Shaw, for everybody's benefit (even his, if he's unable to recognize that himself).
2. For somebody who grew up going to every Big Game and understands what a big event it can/should be for the Bay Area, yesterday was sad. The morning after Big Game, it is the fourth story on gostanford.com. I assure you we do not have more traffic or interest in cross country, volleyball, or water polo. We're rightfully humiliated by our football program and burying it. But Cal isn't much better. This was the first time since 2000 in which neither team had a chance of a bowl and the first time since 1998 both teams have losing records two years in a row. This was two of the worst Power Five teams in the country in a depressing pillow fight to see which team was more incompetent. Turned out it was us, but man Cal is bad. The game wasn't even televised on a real network. It was surreal this morning to check out the box score and see that even after the news of the last two weeks this game took place on "FTX Field." But maybe that's an appropriate symbol of the emptiness and fraudulence of these football programs. There was one and only one thing about this game that cut against the overwhelming irrelevance of it all: a good crowd. Good for those who went to the game and made noise, and I'm happy for the loyal Bear backers that their loyalty was rewarded with something to celebrate. Even then, the attendance serves as another stark reminder of just how bad Stanford is: this was the biggest crowd at Memorial Stadium in over nine years, since Ohio State came to town. Cal has had better teams in the last nine years. Why did the fans come out yesterday? It's obvious: they knew how bad Stanford is and smelled blood in the water. It says so much about Stanford's program that we can't bribe our fans to go to our home games and our opponents have to turn their fans away because we're the surest win around.
3. It drives home how bad we are that we lost by a touchdown to a 3-7 team even though we made a 61 yard field and the opponent did everything they could to hand the game to us. Much was made about Cal's turmoil on offense with the offensive coordinator and offensive line coach being fired and, sure enough, they were a hot mess on that side of the ball. Despite playing a Stanford team that is ok at defending the pass and atrocious at defending the run, Cal barely ran, giving Stanford an enormous gift. When they did pass, the individual players were what the French call les incompetents. The receivers dropped five passes. Most damaging, the quarterback threw not one but two interceptions in the end zone. Throwing balls up for grabs in the end zone is bad enough, but to do it on first down both times is unforgiveable. Cal deserved to lose purely because Plummer is such a moron, but fortunate for them they played a team that deserved to lose even more.
4. Man did we deserve to lose. The pivotal play of the game, of course, was Daniels' fumble leading to the scoop and score. For a team 130th (second to last, last in Power Five) in fumbles, we are well past the point of fluke on the horrid ball security. And for anybody who wants to pin the blame on Daniels particularly, yes, he's had extreme problems holding on to the ball, but who hasn't had appalling ball security? Filkins and Smith were both leading running backs nationally in fumbles when they went down. Worst of all is our new return specialist Thompson, who if my calculations are right muffs the ball about once every six times he touches it. This is so obviously pandemic across the team that I have no patience for anybody who wants to pin this on the true freshman QB3 who has been one of the best parts of our run game this sad season. Stanford can't hold on to the ball, period. There may be anti-Gould explanations for this (and lord knows I think his resume at Stanford is awful and he has no claim to deserving to keep his job) but even more than that I think it's a psychologically battered, un-confident, un-focused, joyless team. It's really just a symptom of the system-wise catastrophic failure of the whole operation.
5. The real point vis-a-vis Big Game, though, is that you don't lose because of one play. As McKee said in his interview this week, the takeaway for the team on the 40th anniversary of The Play is "don't put the game in other people's hands." A game against a bad opponent shouldn't come down to an error by a third string freshman. The reality is these kinds of errors kill us because we're comprehensively terrible and thus always in a position where mistakes mortally wound us. As we all know, top of the list is the hopeless Shawfense. The latest tragicomic observation: this was actually Stanford's second best offensive performance of the last eight games and, adjusted for quality of opponent defense, arguably our second best offensive game of the season, behind only the Oregon State game. That's another poignant reminder that even our ceiling under Shawfense is bad. Good for us still equaled the worst non-Colorado performance against Cal in their last eight games. We had our most points in six games and it was still a touchdown worse than Cal's average on the season. Our 1.33 points per drive made the #97 defensive points per drive defense look like the #7 points per drive defense. Every game is just a continuing avalanche of evidence we have one of the worst offenses in the country.
RE: Sunday morning thoughts - Big Game - msqueri - 11-20-2022
6. The offense did provide the biggest bright spot of the day, which was unquestionably Mitch Leigber. This was his coming out party, a converted safety and eighth (or fifth, depending on how departed guys are counted) string back just had 136 yards from scrimmage against a real major college football defense. That's more yards from scrimmage against Cal than Travis Dye, Bucky Irving, or Nakia Watson had. As Zach Charbonnet and Xazavian Valladay haven't played Cal, that means none of the premier backs in the Pac-12 had more yards from scrimmage against Cal than Leigber did. This wasn't just a good day for an emergency back, this was a good day. It also met the eye test, principally with the great red zone catch in the first quarter that bailed out a bad McKee throw. Moreover, PFF didn't think Stanford's line run blocked well at all yesterday, with all the linemen grading sub-par. In the last nine games, Filkins against Notre Dame is the only player with more first downs in a game than Leigber had. [This week's moving the chains (first down) leader board: Leigber (7), Yurosek (4), Higgins (4), Humphreys (3, also drew a pass interference), Daniels (2), Tremayne, Bowman, Taylor] Leigber really ran, caught, and battled with spirit. Coupled with Daniels' very effective running (aside from fumbling the game away, a big caveat of course which is why I addressed it earlier), Stanford had its second best rushing game since losing Smith, a tick behind the UCLA game, and better than five Power Five teams did against Cal this year. It was a very solid running game. Stanford's coaches next season and Leigber himself have interesting decisions about where he will play. He's now more established at running back than safety, and there will be opportunities in both rooms next year (especially accounting for the fragility of all the backs who might be back).
7. The run game being solid yesterday accentuates just how bad the passing game continues to be. The national median in yards per attempt is 7.5 and we just managed our sixth straight game in which we couldn't even get to median. In this game, we had both a passer rating and a yards per attempt that were worse than every team Cal has played this season other than UC Davis. Something I've been saying a lot in these updates: read those sentences again. We're hardly ever even average in passing these days, and how we are recently is a lot worse than that. It's comprehensive failure in the passing game. The coach, as we all know, doesn't have a clue. The celebrated WR corps has been such that it's only been able to have one decently productive player at a time, Wilson before his injury and Higgins since then. Yurosek has only been in ok, in essentially a three-way tie for receiving TE #2-4 in the conference after being in essentially a tie for #1 last year. And then there's McKee. We've been talking about this for weeks but the level of his disappointment this season is really coming into focus. He's 80th of 121 QBs in Total QBR, but comparing him to Stanford QBs is where I think this will become vivid for people. His 50.5 Total QBR is worse than Pritchard was in 2008, Nunes was in 2012, Chryst was in 2016, or Burns was in 2016. The closest Stanford comparison is Chryst in 2017. This is not only disappointing, it's makes-whether-he-should-start-in-2023-even-if-he's-back disappointing. He's played so badly that I am starting to think it's more likely he comes back than not, but even if he does there's a conversation to be had about just how bad he's been.
8. Fans flirted in the middle of the season with a narrative that the defense was the bright spot for the Cardinal in 2022, and maybe that could have been the case without injuries, but as we limp into the off-season it's clear the defense is the same disaster it's been for years under Anderson. #125 in yards per play, #113 in scoring defense, #126 in points per drive defense, and #85 in Defensive FEI before last night's game is accounted for (so likely declining further) is not a silver lining in any respect. The defense is an atrocity just like the offense. Yesterday, we gave up the third most yards per play anybody has against Cal (only USC and Arizona worse, even UC Davis and UNLV didn't give up quite as much). From a scoring perspective it wasn't much worse than Cal's norm, but it's probably pointless to read anything into points allowed yesterday since on the one hand the scoop and score was a significant scoring event that wasn't the Stanford defense's fault and on the other hand Plummer's inexcusable interceptions took a lot of points off the board, so in multiple ways the scoring total doesn't necessarily reflect how the defense played. Looking just at other metrics it's a familiar verdict for us: really bad defense that, accounting for context, may not be quite as really bad as the offense. I think if one looks dispassionately at this there's as little rational case for retaining Stanford's defensive coaches as there's been for years. But Shaw never looks at his coaching staff dispassionately or even rationally. That's why we need a wholesale cleaning house. Until Shaw is gone I will continue pointing out that firing the whole offensive staff but not the defensive staff or vice versa will be insufficient.
9. Part of the reason I'm so down on the defense is that the defensive performance was that bad even though Cal gave them every opportunity. A dysfunctional offense was playing with its two primary coaches freshly fired. The coaches who stepped in committed head-scratching malpractice. Despite Stanford being a solid pass defense team and one of the worst run defense teams in the country, Geep Chryst's calls led to only 22 run plays, by far Cal's season-low. This was lunacy. One read is he made the mistake Shaw makes time and again - "focusing on us" rather than recognizing the enemy has a vote. Geep was probably reacting to how bad Cal's run game has been - under three yards per carry six games in a row, with four of those under two yards a carry. But this was so stupid to do against Stanford. Predictably, Stanford held up well against the pass, the fourth stingiest any pass defense has been against Cal as measured in either yards per attempt or passer rating, and got gashed on the ground. Even Cal's horrible run game got 5.14 yards per carry. So why run only 22 times? Malpractice. Maybe Geep was throwing a bone to his son's alma mater. This game was awful versus awful. In the battle of an immobile object against an ineffectual force, the immobile object won out.
10. Individual defensive players did not stand out much in my read of the play-by-play. Gilman and Porter had the big interceptions but nothing else, though interestingly PFF thought Gilman had a great game. Kelly had four quality plays but just as many victimized coverage breakdowns. The only player who really showed up numerous times in an impressive way on the play-by-play was Moi, thanks to his tackle for no gain on 2nd and 2, tackle for loss on 1st and 10, stop for no gain on 3rd and 1, and tackle for loss on 1st and 10, not to mention another good play in which we accepted a penalty. The other thing I'll laud on the defense is numerous of the seniors playing hurt and with evident spirit. This applies to several guys, but Miezan in particular had a sack and a run stop as well as two special teams tackles. As Shaw emphasized with great pain in the post-game press conference, guys were trying. As he doesn't say but is clear to all of us, they try and still suck. Another reason the coaches must go.
RE: Sunday morning thoughts - Big Game - msqueri - 11-20-2022
11. I'm thrilled Karty got to kick the end of game field goal. That's the longest field goal made in college football all season by five yards. Wow wow wow wow wow a million times. And it wasn't even a good snap. Coupled with his perfect kicking record this season, he's absolutely a viable Groza candidate, though I'd bet on Moody repeating or maybe Dunn getting it. But with a big game against BYU, Karty has a very real shot. Let's play for that. Elsewhere on special teams, Sanborn had net punts of 37 (to the 45), 53 (to the 14), 29 (to the 17), 36 (to the 12), 29 (to the 37), 30 (to the Stanford 47), 48 (to he 27), and 46 (to the 17). Again very active and solid, but I think he's had way to many punts between the 10 and 20 to consider this a good season. Just not a weapon and I think we can do better. Tremayne, who has been a massive disappointment at receiver, had a great coverage play. It brings me no pleasure to say this about my favorite walk-on in recent years, but Thompson has the worst ball security I've ever seen. Beyond bizarre to muff it every six times you touch the ball. Completely unplayable. Burning a redshirt for somebody to handle the ball like this sure is a decision, though also an indication of how injuries hobbled us at both running back and the return game.
12. Game balls: Leigber, Moi (PFF did not agree but will trust my eyes/box score), Karty, Gould
13. We're almost there, one more week of the nightmare. But for those of us who are year-round diehards it's not really the end of the nightmare unless Shaw goes. We had just as much of a nightmare last year. In some ways it was even worse. And yet we are where we are. There can be no hope for Stanford football until this regime is gone. I hate that we're going to have another game in which losing to a mediocre or worse team is actually a relief because it increases the odds of the nightmare ending. DSMG. Now.
RE: Sunday morning thoughts - Big Game - TrumpCard - 11-20-2022
Enough. The whole staff should resign during the BYU post-game press conference. Not one minute more than necessary to fulfill contractual obligations. The players and fans deserve better than this. The break-up of the Pac-12, the arrival of NIL rights, and plenty of other factors will pose challenges, but nothing could be worse than tolerating the status quo as though it's okay.
RE: Sunday morning thoughts - Big Game - Jamesy - 11-20-2022
(11-20-2022, 02:51 PM)msqueri Wrote: 11. I'm thrilled Karty got to kick the end of game field goal. That's the longest field goal made in college football all season by five yards. Wow wow wow wow wow a million times. And it wasn't even a good snap. Coupled with his perfect kicking record this season, he's absolutely a viable Groza candidate, though I'd bet on Moody repeating or maybe Dunn getting it. But with a big game against BYU, Karty has a very real shot. Let's play for that. Elsewhere on special teams, Sanborn had net punts of 37 (to the 45), 53 (to the 14), 29 (to the 17), 36 (to the 12), 29 (to the 37), 30 (to the Stanford 47), 48 (to he 27), and 46 (to the 17). Again very active and solid, but I think he's had way to many punts between the 10 and 20 to consider this a good season. Just not a weapon and I think we can do better. Tremayne, who has been a massive disappointment at receiver, had a great coverage play. It brings me no pleasure to say this about my favorite walk-on in recent years, but Thompson has the worst ball security I've ever seen. Beyond bizarre to muff it every six times you touch the ball. Completely unplayable. Burning a redshirt for somebody to handle the ball like this sure is a decision, though also an indication of how injuries hobbled us at both running back and the return game.
12. Game balls: Leigber, Moi (PFF did not agree but will trust my eyes/box score), Karty, Gould
13. We're almost there, one more week of the nightmare. But for those of us who are year-round diehards it's not really the end of the nightmare unless Shaw goes. We had just as much of a nightmare last year. In some ways it was even worse. And yet we are where we are. There can be no hope for Stanford football until this regime is gone. I hate that we're going to have another game in which losing to a mediocre or worse team is actually a relief because it increases the odds of the nightmare ending. DSMG. Now.
Why is Thompson your favorite walk on in recent years? Tremayne is mine. I don't know anything about Thompson so just curious.
RE: Sunday morning thoughts - Big Game - msqueri - 11-20-2022
(11-20-2022, 03:25 PM)Jamesy Wrote:(11-20-2022, 02:51 PM)msqueri Wrote: 11. I'm thrilled Karty got to kick the end of game field goal. That's the longest field goal made in college football all season by five yards. Wow wow wow wow wow a million times. And it wasn't even a good snap. Coupled with his perfect kicking record this season, he's absolutely a viable Groza candidate, though I'd bet on Moody repeating or maybe Dunn getting it. But with a big game against BYU, Karty has a very real shot. Let's play for that. Elsewhere on special teams, Sanborn had net punts of 37 (to the 45), 53 (to the 14), 29 (to the 17), 36 (to the 12), 29 (to the 37), 30 (to the Stanford 47), 48 (to he 27), and 46 (to the 17). Again very active and solid, but I think he's had way to many punts between the 10 and 20 to consider this a good season. Just not a weapon and I think we can do better. Tremayne, who has been a massive disappointment at receiver, had a great coverage play. It brings me no pleasure to say this about my favorite walk-on in recent years, but Thompson has the worst ball security I've ever seen. Beyond bizarre to muff it every six times you touch the ball. Completely unplayable. Burning a redshirt for somebody to handle the ball like this sure is a decision, though also an indication of how injuries hobbled us at both running back and the return game.
12. Game balls: Leigber, Moi (PFF did not agree but will trust my eyes/box score), Karty, Gould
13. We're almost there, one more week of the nightmare. But for those of us who are year-round diehards it's not really the end of the nightmare unless Shaw goes. We had just as much of a nightmare last year. In some ways it was even worse. And yet we are where we are. There can be no hope for Stanford football until this regime is gone. I hate that we're going to have another game in which losing to a mediocre or worse team is actually a relief because it increases the odds of the nightmare ending. DSMG. Now.
Why is Thompson your favorite walk on in recent years? Tremayne is mine. I don't know anything about Thompson so just curious.
Just in terms of recruiting profile. It was nuts to be able to get him as a walk-on. On paper he profiled as a clear Pac-12 scholarship level player. The kind of profile we all would have assumed was a scholarship player until he said he wasn’t. We’ve had good walk-ons but I can’t think of one ever on this level. Again, on paper. He’s had a somewhat rough acclimation. Then again, a true freshman walk-on being the top return specialist is itself an unusual and telling circumstance.
RE: Sunday morning thoughts - Big Game - Phogge - 11-20-2022
Question: Are the Stanford Football alumni howling with indignation today or are they howling with laughter?
So... You basically can't take transfers. You won't take JC's. Your coach won't make staff changes. Your NIL program is next to nil. Your strength & conditioning has bottomed out. Your slow mesh is run by the slowest QB since Dick Norman. Your two best backs left for greener pastures and you're playing a third or fourth string safety at the position. And according to a poster the school makes the players head to Chipotle for dinner because they are too late for chow after practice.
And you're probably going to be an underdog to Sac State. You guys are totally f****d.
RE: Sunday morning thoughts - Big Game - cardcrimson - 11-20-2022
Come on Phogge. You’re one of us, at least in spirit and we appreciate that.
RE: Sunday morning thoughts - Big Game - Mick - 11-20-2022
The morning after the BYU game, when Stanford will finish either 4-8 or (more likely) 3-9 with just two wins over FBS teams, Shaw will wake up and walk into the bathroom and stare at himself long and hard in the mirror. What, do you suppose, will he be thinking?
RE: Sunday morning thoughts - Big Game - Bampa - 11-20-2022
(11-20-2022, 07:47 PM)Mick Wrote: The morning after the BYU game, when Stanford will finish either 4-8 or (more likely) 3-9 with just two wins over FBS teams, Shaw will wake up and walk into the bathroom and stare at himself long and hard in the mirror. What, do you suppose, will he be thinking?
Wow, my bank account sure looks good!
RE: Sunday morning thoughts - Big Game - Langdude - 11-20-2022
(11-20-2022, 07:47 PM)Mick Wrote: The morning after the BYU game, when Stanford will finish either 4-8 or (more likely) 3-9 with just two wins over FBS teams, Shaw will wake up and walk into the bathroom and stare at himself long and hard in the mirror. What, do you suppose, will he be thinking?
"I went in with a good shaving game plan, a good week of prep - lathering, skin conditioning. But, in the end, the razor just did not execute."
-m.
RE: Sunday morning thoughts - Big Game - winflop - 11-20-2022
(11-20-2022, 03:46 PM)Phogge Wrote: Question: Are the Stanford Football alumni howling with indignation today or are they howling with laughter?
https://twitter.com/bennyg49/status/1594189596493238274
Pretty much says it all. I hope Gardner and his fellow football alumni are overloading Muir's inbox. Our frustration must pale in comparison to theirs.
As fans, our biggest voices are our feet and our wallets. I've spoken with mine as loudly as I can. I hope many of you will join me.
RE: Sunday morning thoughts - Big Game - Austroturf - 11-21-2022
(11-20-2022, 07:47 PM)Mick Wrote: The morning after the BYU game, when Stanford will finish either 4-8 or (more likely) 3-9 with just two wins over FBS teams, Shaw will wake up and walk into the bathroom and stare at himself long and hard in the mirror. What, do you suppose, will he be thinking?
As we have seen, Shaw supporters still maintain he can right the ship. They reason that his past success is proof that he can win again and, hence, there is no need for change. I am sure these are the only people Shaw listens to, and there are far more of them than we think there are. So Shaw will look at his reflection in the mirror and say:
"Tough breaks this year. The team had so much promise. We were just a couple of plays away from bowl eligibility. We worked and practiced hard, but, yeah, injuries can't be planned. That's football.... But I am hopeful for 2023. I think we will be a snake in the weeds."
Then he will shave and count his money.
RE: Sunday morning thoughts - Big Game - lex24 - 11-21-2022
(11-20-2022, 08:06 PM)Langdude Wrote:(11-20-2022, 07:47 PM)Mick Wrote: The morning after the BYU game, when Stanford will finish either 4-8 or (more likely) 3-9 with just two wins over FBS teams, Shaw will wake up and walk into the bathroom and stare at himself long and hard in the mirror. What, do you suppose, will he be thinking?
"I went in with a good shaving game plan, a good week of prep - lathering, skin conditioning. But, in the end, the razor just did not execute."
-m.
Lol.
Besides saying “time to quit, what do you want him to say?” Do you not think Shaw feels the disappointment of the season? He lives it every day. it’s his job. He certainly cares.
I fully get “Shaw must go” sentiment. I’m on board with that. But I’ve said before I’ll say it again – the character assassination that is sometimes on this board is more than a little bit offputting. I don’t think he deserves that. (While this came up somehow responding to Langdude’s post that’s not where it was directed. That was at least humorous. We can use some humor given the season.).
I’m talking about the continual references to smug , smirking, and the money. Especially the suggestion he doesn’t care.
RE: Sunday morning thoughts - Big Game - gailtate - 11-21-2022
(11-21-2022, 02:49 AM)Austroturf Wrote:(11-20-2022, 07:47 PM)Mick Wrote: The morning after the BYU game, when Stanford will finish either 4-8 or (more likely) 3-9 with just two wins over FBS teams, Shaw will wake up and walk into the bathroom and stare at himself long and hard in the mirror. What, do you suppose, will he be thinking?
As we have seen, Shaw supporters still maintain he can right the ship. They reason that his past success is proof that he can win again and, hence, there is no need for change. I am sure these are the only people Shaw listens to, and there are far more of them than we think there are. So Shaw will look at his reflection in the mirror and say:
"Tough breaks this year. The team had so much promise. We were just a couple of plays away from bowl eligibility. We worked and practiced hard, but, yeah, injuries can't be planned. That's football.... But I am hopeful for 2023. I think we will be a snake in the weeds."
Then he will shave and count his money.
Nope. This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoJWzTasHE4&ab_channel=chenarch
RE: Sunday morning thoughts - Big Game - Austroturf - 11-21-2022
(11-21-2022, 08:08 AM)lex24 Wrote:(11-20-2022, 08:06 PM)Langdude Wrote:(11-20-2022, 07:47 PM)Mick Wrote: The morning after the BYU game, when Stanford will finish either 4-8 or (more likely) 3-9 with just two wins over FBS teams, Shaw will wake up and walk into the bathroom and stare at himself long and hard in the mirror. What, do you suppose, will he be thinking?
"I went in with a good shaving game plan, a good week of prep - lathering, skin conditioning. But, in the end, the razor just did not execute."
-m.
Lol.
Besides saying “time to quit, what do you want him to say?” Do you not think Shaw feels the disappointment of the season? He lives it every day. it’s his job. He certainly cares.
I fully get “Shaw must go” sentiment. I’m on board with that. But I’ve said before I’ll say it again – the character assassination that is sometimes on this board is more than a little bit offputting. I don’t think he deserves that. (While this came up somehow responding to Langdude’s post that’s not where it was directed. That was at least humorous. We can use some humor given the season.).
I’m talking about the continual references to smug , smirking, and the money. Especially the suggestion he doesn’t care.
Of course he cares. He cares in a big way. But he hasn't shown that he cares enough to make the necessary changes, and that, in turn, irks fans and triggers such snide comments. When a head coach finishes a season 3-9, makes zero changes to the program and repeats that performance the following year, he's setting himself up for a raft of criticism and facetious comments. And, yes, humor is always a nice medicine when the pain threshold of a fan base has been breached.
RE: Sunday morning thoughts - Big Game - gailtate - 11-21-2022
(11-20-2022, 02:51 PM)msqueri Wrote: 11. I'm thrilled Karty got to kick the end of game field goal. That's the longest field goal made in college football all season by five yards. Wow wow wow wow wow a million times. And it wasn't even a good snap. Coupled with his perfect kicking record this season, he's absolutely a viable Groza candidate, though I'd bet on Moody repeating or maybe Dunn getting it. But with a big game against BYU, Karty has a very real shot. Let's play for that. Elsewhere on special teams, Sanborn had net punts of 37 (to the 45), 53 (to the 14), 29 (to the 17), 36 (to the 12), 29 (to the 37), 30 (to the Stanford 47), 48 (to he 27), and 46 (to the 17). Again very active and solid, but I think he's had way to many punts between the 10 and 20 to consider this a good season. Just not a weapon and I think we can do better. Tremayne, who has been a massive disappointment at receiver, had a great coverage play. It brings me no pleasure to say this about my favorite walk-on in recent years, but Thompson has the worst ball security I've ever seen. Beyond bizarre to muff it every six times you touch the ball. Completely unplayable. Burning a redshirt for somebody to handle the ball like this sure is a decision, though also an indication of how injuries hobbled us at both running back and the return game.
12. Game balls: Leigber, Moi (PFF did not agree but will trust my eyes/box score), Karty, Gould
13. We're almost there, one more week of the nightmare. But for those of us who are year-round diehards it's not really the end of the nightmare unless Shaw goes. We had just as much of a nightmare last year. In some ways it was even worse. And yet we are where we are. There can be no hope for Stanford football until this regime is gone. I hate that we're going to have another game in which losing to a mediocre or worse team is actually a relief because it increases the odds of the nightmare ending. DSMG. Now.
In 60 years of paying obsessive attention to Indian/Cardinal football starting even before my first Big Game in 1962, as a schoolboy usher at Memorial Stadium, I have never known such a competitively weak, thin, mistake-prone, hapless, hopeless, inept, woefully coached, outgunned and out-manned Stanford outfit as the one taking the field these days. It isn't crap football so much as Keystone Kops football. Laurel and Hardy slapstick. Lucy-holding-the-ball-for-Charlie Brown football (no offense to Joshua Karty, the lotus flower in all this mud). It is pie-in-the-face football. Moe, Curly, Larry football. This is NOT Stanford football, it's Disco 1970s -'80s Northwestern Mildcat football. A Larry David comedy. Who woulda thunk it was produced and directed by the same guy who almost made us feel like we were January regulars? The irony in this reversal of fortune is right outta Shakespeare. And now sinking into Greek tragedy.
RE: Sunday morning thoughts - Big Game - cardcrimson - 11-21-2022
(11-21-2022, 04:27 PM)gailtate Wrote:(11-20-2022, 02:51 PM)msqueri Wrote: 11. I'm thrilled Karty got to kick the end of game field goal. That's the longest field goal made in college football all season by five yards. Wow wow wow wow wow a million times. And it wasn't even a good snap. Coupled with his perfect kicking record this season, he's absolutely a viable Groza candidate, though I'd bet on Moody repeating or maybe Dunn getting it. But with a big game against BYU, Karty has a very real shot. Let's play for that. Elsewhere on special teams, Sanborn had net punts of 37 (to the 45), 53 (to the 14), 29 (to the 17), 36 (to the 12), 29 (to the 37), 30 (to the Stanford 47), 48 (to he 27), and 46 (to the 17). Again very active and solid, but I think he's had way to many punts between the 10 and 20 to consider this a good season. Just not a weapon and I think we can do better. Tremayne, who has been a massive disappointment at receiver, had a great coverage play. It brings me no pleasure to say this about my favorite walk-on in recent years, but Thompson has the worst ball security I've ever seen. Beyond bizarre to muff it every six times you touch the ball. Completely unplayable. Burning a redshirt for somebody to handle the ball like this sure is a decision, though also an indication of how injuries hobbled us at both running back and the return game.
12. Game balls: Leigber, Moi (PFF did not agree but will trust my eyes/box score), Karty, Gould
13. We're almost there, one more week of the nightmare. But for those of us who are year-round diehards it's not really the end of the nightmare unless Shaw goes. We had just as much of a nightmare last year. In some ways it was even worse. And yet we are where we are. There can be no hope for Stanford football until this regime is gone. I hate that we're going to have another game in which losing to a mediocre or worse team is actually a relief because it increases the odds of the nightmare ending. DSMG. Now.
In 60 years of paying obsessive attention to Indian/Cardinal football starting even before my first Big Game in 1962, as a schoolboy usher at Memorial Stadium, I have never known such a competitively weak, thin, mistake-prone, hapless, hopeless, inept, woefully coached, outgunned and out-manned Stanford outfit as the one taking the field these days. It isn't crap football so much as Keystone Kops football. Laurel and Hardy slapstick. Lucy-holding-the-ball-for-Charlie Brown football (no offense to Joshua Karty, the lotus flower in all this mud). It is pie-in-the-face football. Moe, Curly, Larry football. This is NOT Stanford football, it's Disco 1970s -'80s Northwestern Mildcat football. A Larry David comedy. Who woulda thunk it was produced and directed by the same guy who almost made us feel like we were January regulars? The irony in this reversal of fortune is right outta Shakespeare. And now sinking into Greek tragedy.
I was thinking of a one or two line witty comment, but why? This sums it up perfectly.
RE: Sunday morning thoughts - Big Game - BostonCard - 11-21-2022
(11-21-2022, 08:08 AM)lex24 Wrote: Besides saying “time to quit, what do you want him to say?” Do you not think Shaw feels the disappointment of the season? He lives it every day. it’s his job. He certainly cares.
I fully get “Shaw must go” sentiment. I’m on board with that. But I’ve said before I’ll say it again – the character assassination that is sometimes on this board is more than a little bit offputting. I don’t think he deserves that. (While this came up somehow responding to Langdude’s post that’s not where it was directed. That was at least humorous. We can use some humor given the season.).
I’m talking about the continual references to smug , smirking, and the money. Especially the suggestion he doesn’t care.
Fans are frustrated; it's understandable. At this time, even those of us who held out the longest (probably you and I) think it's time to bring someone new. But I agree with you; I wish there were fewer attacks on him as a person.
BC
RE: Sunday morning thoughts - Big Game - martyup - 11-21-2022
I loved disco in the 70s.
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I learned to moonwalk in the hallway of my Stanford fraternity.
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