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Bills' Safety in Critical Condition - newguy - 01-02-2023
Bills' safety Damar Hamlin is in critical condition following a play against the Cincinnati Bengals.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35368372/damar-hamlin-collapses-field-bills-bengals-temporarily-suspended
RE: Bills' Safety in Critical Condition - jonnyss - 01-02-2023
(01-02-2023, 08:49 PM)newguy Wrote: Bills' safety Damar Hamlin is in critical condition following a play against the Cincinnati Bengals.explanation of commotio cordis arrhythmia triggered by blow to the chest, quite rare but occasionally seen in baseball players hit in the chest by a line drive. i hope they had a defibrillator ready on the sidelines.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35368372/damar-hamlin-collapses-field-bills-bengals-temporarily-suspended
commotio cordis
RE: Bills' Safety in Critical Condition - newguy - 01-02-2023
speculation that it may be commotio cordis
RE: Bills' Safety in Critical Condition - French Rage - 01-02-2023
(01-02-2023, 09:04 PM)jonnyss Wrote:(01-02-2023, 08:49 PM)newguy Wrote: Bills' safety Damar Hamlin is in critical condition following a play against the Cincinnati Bengals.explanation of commotio cordis arrhythmia triggered by blow to the chest, quite rare but occasionally seen in baseball players hit in the chest by a line drive. i hope they had a defibrillator ready on the sidelines.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35368372/damar-hamlin-collapses-field-bills-bengals-temporarily-suspended
commotio cordis
Cornell had a lacrosse player die from it in 2004. Hopefully they have improved reaction and treatment enough since then that the same does not occur here.
RE: Bills' Safety in Critical Condition - 82lsju - 01-02-2023
Quote:FOX19's Joe Danneman reports Hamlin has a pulse but is not breathing and is being transported to University of Cincinnati Medical Center. He required CPR and an AED on the field.
https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/news/bills-safety-damar-hamlin-suffers-scary-injury-during-monday-night-football
(01-02-2023, 09:04 PM)jonnyss Wrote:(01-02-2023, 08:49 PM)newguy Wrote: Bills' safety Damar Hamlin is in critical condition following a play against the Cincinnati Bengals.explanation of commotio cordis arrhythmia triggered by blow to the chest, quite rare but occasionally seen in baseball players hit in the chest by a line drive. i hope they had a defibrillator ready on the sidelines.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35368372/damar-hamlin-collapses-field-bills-bengals-temporarily-suspended
commotio cordis
RE: Bills' Safety in Critical Condition - chrisk - 01-02-2023
Coy Wire is representing CNN on the NFL press briefing going on now.
Bills players will return to Buffalo except for a few players who will remain in Cincinnati.
Wire recalled the incident when he was playing at Stanford and UW player Curtis Williams was paralyzed and several years later passed away.
Troy Vincent is the point person for the NFL as EVP of Football Operations.
RE: Bills' Safety in Critical Condition - lex24 - 01-02-2023
(01-02-2023, 09:23 PM)82lsju Wrote:Quote:FOX19's Joe Danneman reports Hamlin has a pulse but is not breathing and is being transported to University of Cincinnati Medical Center. He required CPR and an AED on the field.
https://www.si.com/nfl/bengals/news/bills-safety-damar-hamlin-suffers-scary-injury-during-monday-night-football
(01-02-2023, 09:04 PM)jonnyss Wrote:(01-02-2023, 08:49 PM)newguy Wrote: Bills' safety Damar Hamlin is in critical condition following a play against the Cincinnati Bengals.explanation of commotio cordis arrhythmia triggered by blow to the chest, quite rare but occasionally seen in baseball players hit in the chest by a line drive. i hope they had a defibrillator ready on the sidelines.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35368372/damar-hamlin-collapses-field-bills-bengals-temporarily-suspended
commotio cordis
I remember hearing about this from a kids game when they would hit each other in the chest. I believe one child died. Awful
RE: Bills' Safety in Critical Condition - dabigv13 - 01-02-2023
I think it's too early to say with any certainty that the hit caused an arrhythymia.
Baseball players aren't wearing any pads so a line drive to the chest is a different sort of thing than a hit that looked pretty routine for a football game.
As many here may recall, Denmark soccer player Christian Eriksen collapsed from an arrhythmia a year ago without any contact at all. He had a full recovery and is still playing pro soccer, now with Manchester United. Hopefully Hamlin has a similar recovery.
https://youtu.be/2oPqTQ0SWts
RE: Bills' Safety in Critical Condition - BostonCard - 01-03-2023
The good news is that spontaneous circulation was apparently restored on the field. Per news reports this morning, he’s in critical condition, but stable.
BC
I’m pretty sure that commotio cordis will have to be a diagnosis of exclusion. Hamlin will be checked for structural heart disease as well as other causes of dysrhthmias.
BC
RE: Bills' Safety in Critical Condition - Beeg_Dawg - 01-03-2023
https://www.newyorker.com/sports/sporting-scene/the-terrifying-collapse-of-damar-hamlin-and-the-everyday-violence-of-football?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=tny&utm_mailing=TNY_Daily_010323&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_medium=email&utm_term=tny_daily_digest&bxid=5be9d5af2ddf9c72dc1f8f81&cndid=39997201&hasha=d225fed2408c15e2cb14c75d46498ef3&hashb=4cc4d506b24f30fb59ff5d4ee6cdb39d6c22180a&hashc=9e484a9a30ab95c4e104eb3a49d5ff2d93c2346ba60306fe62f2ab6656d64a28&esrc=right_rail_magazine&mbid=CRMNYR012019
An opinion base written by someone who has never participated in a competitive event. Competitive sports of any stripe involves risk, from bicycling to boxing. The author conveniently overlooks this was a very unusual event, perhaps not even related to the tackle. Pete Maravich comes to mind as an example this could have been caused by a undetected medical condition.
RE: Bills' Safety in Critical Condition - 2006alum - 01-03-2023
(01-03-2023, 01:56 PM)Beeg_Dawg Wrote: https://www.newyorker.com/sports/sporting-scene/the-terrifying-collapse-of-damar-hamlin-and-the-everyday-violence-of-football?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=tny&utm_mailing=TNY_Daily_010323&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_medium=email&utm_term=tny_daily_digest&bxid=5be9d5af2ddf9c72dc1f8f81&cndid=39997201&hasha=d225fed2408c15e2cb14c75d46498ef3&hashb=4cc4d506b24f30fb59ff5d4ee6cdb39d6c22180a&hashc=9e484a9a30ab95c4e104eb3a49d5ff2d93c2346ba60306fe62f2ab6656d64a28&esrc=right_rail_magazine&mbid=CRMNYR012019
An opinion base written by someone who has never participated in a competitive event. Competitive sports of any stripe involves risk, from bicycling to boxing. The author conveniently overlooks this was a very unusual event, perhaps not even related to the tackle. Pete Maravich comes to mind as an example this could have been caused by a undetected medical condition.
Perhaps do your research first next time. From a quick Google search:
Quote:Thomas played for school and club teams herself, competing in softball, swimming, and tennis. She took tennis seriously, but not to the level of the top high-school players.
And she's hardly on an island with that take:
We’re All Complicit in the N.F.L.’s Violent Spectacle
RE: Bills' Safety in Critical Condition - Mick - 01-03-2023
(01-03-2023, 02:17 PM)2006alum Wrote:(01-03-2023, 01:56 PM)Beeg_Dawg Wrote: https://www.newyorker.com/sports/sporting-scene/the-terrifying-collapse-of-damar-hamlin-and-the-everyday-violence-of-football?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=tny&utm_mailing=TNY_Daily_010323&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_medium=email&utm_term=tny_daily_digest&bxid=5be9d5af2ddf9c72dc1f8f81&cndid=39997201&hasha=d225fed2408c15e2cb14c75d46498ef3&hashb=4cc4d506b24f30fb59ff5d4ee6cdb39d6c22180a&hashc=9e484a9a30ab95c4e104eb3a49d5ff2d93c2346ba60306fe62f2ab6656d64a28&esrc=right_rail_magazine&mbid=CRMNYR012019
An opinion base written by someone who has never participated in a competitive event. Competitive sports of any stripe involves risk, from bicycling to boxing. The author conveniently overlooks this was a very unusual event, perhaps not even related to the tackle. Pete Maravich comes to mind as an example this could have been caused by a undetected medical condition.
Perhaps do your research first next time. From a quick Google search:
Quote:Thomas played for school and club teams herself, competing in softball, swimming, and tennis. She took tennis seriously, but not to the level of the top high-school players.
And she's hardly on an island with that take:
We’re All Complicit in the N.F.L.’s Violent Spectacle
Her take on Richard Sherman. I'm not a fan of hers:
» Loud Noises (grantland.com)
RE: Bills' Safety in Critical Condition - burger - 01-03-2023
Stanford faced Hamlin in the Sun Bowl in 2016. I certainly didn't remember this--the Sun Bowl Association tweeted a couple of pictures from the game, and I randomly saw the tweet.
[tweet]https://twitter.com/TonyTheTigerSB/status/1610137949185925121[/tweet]
RE: Bills' Safety in Critical Condition - Beeg_Dawg - 01-03-2023
(01-03-2023, 02:17 PM)2006alum Wrote:(01-03-2023, 01:56 PM)Beeg_Dawg Wrote: https://www.newyorker.com/sports/sporting-scene/the-terrifying-collapse-of-damar-hamlin-and-the-everyday-violence-of-football?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=tny&utm_mailing=TNY_Daily_010323&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_medium=email&utm_term=tny_daily_digest&bxid=5be9d5af2ddf9c72dc1f8f81&cndid=39997201&hasha=d225fed2408c15e2cb14c75d46498ef3&hashb=4cc4d506b24f30fb59ff5d4ee6cdb39d6c22180a&hashc=9e484a9a30ab95c4e104eb3a49d5ff2d93c2346ba60306fe62f2ab6656d64a28&esrc=right_rail_magazine&mbid=CRMNYR012019
An opinion base written by someone who has never participated in a competitive event. Competitive sports of any stripe involves risk, from bicycling to boxing. The author conveniently overlooks this was a very unusual event, perhaps not even related to the tackle. Pete Maravich comes to mind as an example this could have been caused by a undetected medical condition.
Perhaps do your research first next time. From a quick Google search:
Quote:Thomas played for school and club teams herself, competing in softball, swimming, and tennis. She took tennis seriously, but not to the level of the top high-school players.
And she's hardly on an island with that take:
We’re All Complicit in the N.F.L.’s Violent Spectacle
Yep, should have taken a deep dive. That said, tennis and swimming hardly compare to soccer, rugby, field hockey, basketball and host of other sports when it comes to contact.
The tackle was not exceptional except for the result. There are at least a dozen tackles every game that are more violent than this.
RE: Bills' Safety in Critical Condition - dabigv13 - 01-03-2023
I think it's a bad article too, because it's just a generic article that has little to do with Hamlin or his particular situation, with the main point seeming to be a gripe that people still like to watch football even though there have been many publicized reasons to not like football.
If we can't watch a sport because someone has had a cardiac event doing it, then I guess we can't watch football, baseball, soccer, basketball, running, bowling, darts.
Nobody is forced to be a pro football player and everything in life has risks. More people die in the US every day commuting to work than have ever died in competition in the history of pro and college athletics.
RE: Bills' Safety in Critical Condition - BostonCard - 01-03-2023
(01-03-2023, 04:09 PM)Beeg_Dawg Wrote: Competitive sports of any stripe involves risk, from bicycling to boxing.
...
That said, tennis and swimming hardly compare to soccer, rugby, field hockey, basketball and host of other sports when it comes to contact.
I do think that your two quoted lines kind of argue against one another, even though they are not incompatible. You can make a reasonable case that while no activity is risk-free, that the existence of lower-risk competitive sports like tennis and swimming mean that the risks in football and other contact sports are not unavoidable. One can make a plausible case that we should embrace lower risk sports, and that this would be better for athletes.
If I weren't already "hooked" on football, I probably wouldn't become a fan now. I wouldn't go so far as to say that football ought not to be played, but it wouldn't be the end of the world if America embraced less risky sports. I am sure that some people are bummed that boxing has less cultural salience than it did 50 years ago, but I'm ok with it.
One edit/add: while these sorts of things are based on long-term assessments of football as a sport, what happened last night was a freak accident, and should not be a basis for coming to a conclusion about the sport.
BC
RE: Bills' Safety in Critical Condition - Mick - 01-03-2023
(01-03-2023, 05:50 PM)BostonCard Wrote: If I weren't already "hooked" on football, I probably wouldn't become a fan now. I wouldn't go so far as to say that football ought not to be played, but it wouldn't be the end of the world if America embraced less risky sports. I am sure that some people are bummed that boxing has less cultural salience than it did 50 years ago, but I'm ok with it.
Two minor points:
1) Boxing has experienced a resurgence -- chiefly among younger viewers -- in the last decade, says this Forbes article.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonystitt/2022/03/15/top-rank-exec-boxing-making-brobdingnagian-comeback-with-younger-audiences/?sh=66faeb7d4f17
2) Taking the place of boxing, in terms of exuberant fans, is MMA, Mixed Martial Arts; e.g., UFC.
Is MMA (UFC) More Popular Than Boxing? [Numbers Revealed!] (wayofmartialarts.com)
RE: Bills' Safety in Critical Condition - winflop - 01-03-2023
Some good news on Hilman. He's down from 100% oxygen yesterday to 50%. Prayers that he gets out of the hospital. Couldn't give two s***s about his football career. Just be alive and relatively healthy.
RE: Bills' Safety in Critical Condition - BostonCard - 01-03-2023
(01-03-2023, 07:03 PM)winflop Wrote: Some good news on Hilman. He's down from 100% oxygen yesterday to 50%. Prayers that he gets out of the hospital. Couldn't give two s***s about his football career. Just be alive and relatively healthy.
I would expect his lungs to be working fine, and unless he developed decompensated heart failure (for example, because of a massive heart attack that led to his collapse), I would expect that once his cardiac rhythm was restored, that his heart would function well enough. He should be able to be weaned down to minimal supplemental oxygen fairly quickly (room air is 20%, but as a practical matter, most critically ill patients are kept at 50%).
Because he suffered a cardiac arrest, he may be undergoing therapeutic hypothermia (even though the evidence is mixed: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2100591, https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa012689, https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa003289). If so, he'll be sedated and paralyzed for about 2 days in order to keep his core temperature low in order to preserve brain function. After that, I would expect that they would warm him, reverse the paralytics, stop the sedation, and test neurological function. Assuming he hasn't suffered severe brain damage, he should be able have the breathing tube removed (again, assuming no other organ dysfunction).
Agree that alive and neurologically intact would be a good outcome. The game is just that.
BC
(01-03-2023, 06:37 PM)Mick Wrote: 2) Taking the place of boxing, in terms of exuberant fans, is MMA, Mixed Martial Arts; e.g., UFC.
Is MMA (UFC) More Popular Than Boxing? [Numbers Revealed!] (wayofmartialarts.com)
This is a good point. It may in fact be that boxing is not going out of style (if it even is) because it is too dangerous, but maybe because it is not dangerous/gory enough. Never understood UFC/MMA, but I know several people who love watching it.
BC
RE: Bills' Safety in Critical Condition - cardcrimson - 01-03-2023
(01-03-2023, 07:29 PM)BostonCard Wrote:Are we ready to bring out the Christians and the lions again?(01-03-2023, 07:03 PM)winflop Wrote: Some good news on Hilman. He's down from 100% oxygen yesterday to 50%. Prayers that he gets out of the hospital. Couldn't give two s***s about his football career. Just be alive and relatively healthy.
I would expect his lungs to be working fine, and unless he developed decompensated heart failure (for example, because of a massive heart attack that led to his collapse), I would expect that once his cardiac rhythm was restored, that his heart would function well enough. He should be able to be weaned down to minimal supplemental oxygen fairly quickly (room air is 20%, but as a practical matter, most critically ill patients are kept at 50%).
Because he suffered a cardiac arrest, he may be undergoing therapeutic hypothermia (even though the evidence is mixed: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2100591, https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa012689, https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa003289). If so, he'll be sedated and paralyzed for about 2 days in order to keep his core temperature low in order to preserve brain function. After that, I would expect that they would warm him, reverse the paralytics, stop the sedation, and test neurological function. Assuming he hasn't suffered severe brain damage, he should be able have the breathing tube removed (again, assuming no other organ dysfunction).
Agree that alive and neurologically intact would be a good outcome. The game is just that.
BC
(01-03-2023, 06:37 PM)Mick Wrote: 2) Taking the place of boxing, in terms of exuberant fans, is MMA, Mixed Martial Arts; e.g., UFC.
Is MMA (UFC) More Popular Than Boxing? [Numbers Revealed!] (wayofmartialarts.com)
This is a good point. It may in fact be that boxing is not going out of style (if it even is) because it is too dangerous, but maybe because it is not dangerous/gory enough. Never understood UFC/MMA, but I know several people who love watching it.
BC