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WBB: New bracketology - mbdude - 01-24-2023

NCAA Women's Bracketology - 2023 women's college basketball projections (espn.com)

Indiana, Ohio St, SC, Stanford no. 1 seeds

RE: WBB: New bracketology - WBB fan - 01-24-2023

With Stanford as the #4 #1, matched against UConn as #2 in the regional. Of interest, as was the case last week, 8 Pac-12 teams included -- only ASU, OSU, Washington, and Cal not in the brackets. At least Creame seems to be acknowledging that the Pac-12 is a really tough conference.

RE: WBB: New bracketology - Card10Fan - 01-24-2023

The bracket should be a true S curve this year (since geography is less important with just two regionals). Is Stanford #3 overall and UConn #6? I think we will have opportunities to get back to #2 overall if we take care of businesses. LSU has a very tough remaining schedule as does Ohio State. As do we. Don’t want to see UConn in the Elite 8.

RE: WBB: New bracketology - WBB fan - 01-24-2023

(01-24-2023, 11:30 AM)Card10Fan Wrote: The bracket should be a true S curve this year (since geography is less important with just two regionals). Is Stanford #3 overall and UConn #6? I think we will have opportunities to get back to #2 overall if we take care of businesses. LSU has a very tough remaining schedule as does Ohio State. As do we. Don’t want to see UConn in the Elite 8.

I interpret the bracket as Stanford #4 because he has it set up for Stanford to meet S Carolina in the semis in the final four -- and that would make UConn the overall #5. All this is a bit of tea leaf reading.

RE: WBB: New bracketology - jk1926 - 01-24-2023

(01-24-2023, 11:30 AM)Card10Fan Wrote: The bracket should be a true S curve this year (since geography is less important with just two regionals). Is Stanford #3 overall and UConn #6? I think we will have opportunities to get back to #2 overall if we take care of businesses. LSU has a very tough remaining schedule as does Ohio State. As do we. Don’t want to see UConn in the Elite 8.

If UConn ends up a two seed going into the NCAA tournament a UConn vs Stanford Elite 8 game would give Tara and the Cardinal an opportunity to end UConn’s 14 year Final Four Streak. I think many here would relish the chance to witness that and see Tara increase her lead over Geno in career wins.

Baez87 - Baez87 - 01-24-2023

Looks like brakectology will progress like corn kernels on hot oil this year with Iowa beating OSU last night and causing a multiple team shift in the Coaches' Poll today (Stanford moved to 2nd). I’m still waiting for LSU to play a quality team and take a nosedive in the polls. Mulkey must be doing a great job there, but, as we all know, hasn’t been tested. Should we hope for a SCarolina vs ucon matchup in the tourney and we take whomever is left?
(An aside: YouTube has a video of Rori Harmon's possible season-ending injury in Texas's game against Baylor last night. When Harmon drove to the basket, Jana VG horse-collared Rori and pulled her toward the floor, resulting in what seemed like a badly twisted knee. JVG wasn’t viewed as acting dirty and wasn’t assessed a foul, but RH had to be assisted off the floor and seemed to be filled with physically and emotional pain. It’s still available for those of you that want to dispute Coach Vic's assessment that it was a "toe injury." She missed several games this year due to a toe injury, so maybe it is!)

RE: Baez87 - jonnyss - 01-24-2023

(01-24-2023, 02:51 PM)Baez87 Wrote: (An aside: YouTube has a video of Rori Harmon's possible season-ending injury in Texas's game against Baylor last night. When Harmon drove to the basket, Jana VG horse-collared Rori and pulled her toward the floor, resulting in what seemed like a badly twisted knee. JVG wasn’t viewed as acting dirty and wasn’t assessed a foul, but RH had to be assisted off the floor and seemed to be filled with physically and emotional pain. It’s still available for those of you that want to dispute Coach Vic's assessment that it was a "toe injury." She missed several games this year due to a toe injury, so maybe it is!)

thanks for posting. rori harmon is a great player. here is the video. certainly a common foul (in both senses of common) as jana grabs harmon's upper right arm. but it's a run-of-the-mill, reach-in foul, not violent or excessive. i don't see a horse-collar, which i understand to be the dangerous and prohibited pulling down the opponent by grabbing the jersey at the nape of the neck. also not clear whether harmon is injured by jana's reach-in or by falling on baylor's big #51 just afterwards.

link

RE: Baez87 - jk1926 - 01-24-2023

(01-24-2023, 05:00 PM)jonnyss Wrote:
(01-24-2023, 02:51 PM)Baez87 Wrote: (An aside: YouTube has a video of Rori Harmon's possible season-ending injury in Texas's game against Baylor last night. When Harmon drove to the basket, Jana VG horse-collared Rori and pulled her toward the floor, resulting in what seemed like a badly twisted knee. JVG wasn’t viewed as acting dirty and wasn’t assessed a foul, but RH had to be assisted off the floor and seemed to be filled with physically and emotional pain. It’s still available for those of you that want to dispute Coach Vic's assessment that it was a "toe injury." She missed several games this year due to a toe injury, so maybe it is!)

thanks for posting. rori harmon is a great player. here is the video. certainly a common foul (in both senses of common) as jana grabs harmon's upper right arm. but it's a run-of-the-mill, reach-in foul, not violent or excessive. i don't see a horse-collar, which i understand to be the dangerous and prohibited pulling down the opponent by grabbing the jersey at the nape of the neck. also not clear whether harmon is injured by jana's reach-in or by falling on baylor's big #51 just afterwards.

link

It appears JVG reaching in and accidently locking with Harmon's right arm causes Harmon to fall forward and twist Harmon's torso to her right just after Harmon's right foot planted on the floor with her right leg extended. The torque on her knee caused the injury. Harmon grimaces well before she lands on Baylor's #51.

Really very unfortunate for Rori and her Texas teammates. How did the referees miss the grabbing foul?

RE: Baez87 - M T - 01-24-2023

(01-24-2023, 05:43 PM)jk1926 Wrote: How did the referees miss the grabbing foul?

It appears each of the 3 refs are looking at the right spot. The two that remain in the frame of the live shot appear to have a clear view. (The baseline ref can be seen to have a clear view in the replay.) I often wonder how refs call fouls when players' bodies block their view. X-ray vision? But that wasn't necessary here.

3.5 minutes to end of game with a 9-point differential. Maybe the refs were ruminating on their whistle.
Oh wow, at this point in the game, Texas had 1 player fouled out and 3 with 4 fouls. Baylor had one player no player with 4 fouls (one got 2 fouls called after this, giving her 4 for the game).
Well, Texas is coached by Vic Shaeffer.

Oh, by the way, the AP reports "For the first time in the 47-year history of the Associated Press women's basketball poll, no team from Texas is in the Top 25." Adds insult to injury.

RE: WBB: New bracketology - mbdude - 02-01-2023

NCAA Women's Bracketology - 2023 women's college basketball projections (espn.com)

as of 2/1/2023

RE: WBB: New bracketology - Card10Fan - 02-01-2023

When will they do a top 16 reveal? That would give us a good idea if the committee is on the same train of thought as Charlie Creme. For now, happy with a 1 seed and opposite Uconn and SC.

RE: WBB: New bracketology - Leftcoast - 02-01-2023

(02-01-2023, 05:16 PM)Card10Fan Wrote: When will they do a top 16 reveal? That would give us a good idea if the committee is on the same train of thought as Charlie Creme. For now, happy with a 1 seed and opposite Uconn and SC.

If we accept that SC is #1 and UConn #4 then Creme has us as either 2 or 3, with Indiana getting the other "middle" seed. Between us and Indiana it's hard to tell who has the better regional #2 seed between our #2 Iowa and Indiana's #2 Utah. Presumably the seeding committee and Creme would avoid an in conference 1 vs 2 match-up so no help there in determining if we are the overall 2 or 3.

UConn has to hate Creme's projections with SC on their side of the bracket and in region LSU looming particularly since LSU will feel slighted by being knocked out of the first four.

RE: WBB: New bracketology - 81alum - 02-01-2023

I really like Charlie Creme, and over the many years he has done this he has seemed quite sympathetic to Stanford and Tara. Unfortunately, over the many years he has done this, his predictions are often wildly inaccurate. He is a lot of fun, but the committee seems to pay absolutely no attention to his work.

I often think Creme by himself is fairer and more knowledgeable than the whole committee. So take ESPN Braketology with about a million grains of salt.

Now add to that the considerable likelihood that we will not go undefeated the rest of the way in conference and the conference tournament--and consider where we may be at the end if we lose one or two more. Will LSU with one loss be higher than a Stanford with 3-4 losses? Oh the tangled web we weave.

There is only one thing that really matters. We just need to win 6 in a row at the end.

RE: WBB: New bracketology - DaBears17 - 02-01-2023

Last year the first reveal was on Jan 30th or 31st, but I can't find any information saying they are doing first reveals this year.

Charlie is doing his best to set up brackets using the same 14 factors the committee says they take into account as if the tournament was being seeded with all the information up to today. He doesn't try to project what teams will do the rest of the year, which many people don't understand. Like the UConn fans think Charlie doesn't know what he is doing because when St. John's was 3-0 and UConn had only played 1 or 2 conference games he had St. John's listed as the AQ, but when you looked at the Big East website, they had St. John's in first place because they were undefeated and UConn had two losses.

It's fun watching some UConn fans pull their hair out because Charlie has LSU as a two seed, which is too high in their minds, but Net has LSU ranked 3rd. They were very unhappy Charlie didn't have UConn listed as a one seed all year.

I'm hopeful Stanford doesn't have any more conference losses. I kind of expect 1 more, possibly two more losses. As long as Stanford is a one seed or a two seed and avoids South Carolina's bracket, I think they have a very good chance of making the Final Four.

(02-01-2023, 05:16 PM)Card10Fan Wrote: When will they do a top 16 reveal? That would give us a good idea if the committee is on the same train of thought as Charlie Creme. For now, happy with a 1 seed and opposite Uconn and SC.

RE: WBB: New bracketology - M T - 02-01-2023

(02-01-2023, 08:43 PM)DaBears17 Wrote: As long as Stanford is a one seed or a two seed and avoids South Carolina's bracket, I think they have a very good chance of making the Final Four.

Why the caveats? I fixed it for you. It isn't guaranteed, but I think a "very good chance" is there, even if we play South Carolina or UConn or any other top team.

81alum, we can just simplify the requirement: Barring a disaster of 1998 proportions, Stanford should make the tourney. Stanford just needs to win its last game of the year.

RE: WBB: New bracketology - DaBears17 - 02-01-2023

Thanks for the fix! I'm a pessimist realist :).

(02-01-2023, 09:34 PM)M T Wrote:
(02-01-2023, 08:43 PM)DaBears17 Wrote: As long as Stanford is a one seed or a two seed and avoids South Carolina's bracket, I think they have a very good chance of making the Final Four.

Why the caveats? I fixed it for you. It isn't guaranteed, but I think a "very good chance" is there, even if we play South Carolina or UConn or any other top team.

81alum, we can just simplify the requirement: Barring a disaster of 1998 proportions, Stanford should make the tourney. Stanford just needs to win its last game of the year.

RE: WBB: New bracketology - CompSci87 - 02-01-2023

(02-01-2023, 09:34 PM)M T Wrote: 81alum, we can just simplify the requirement: Barring a disaster of 1998 proportions, Stanford should make the tourney. Stanford just needs to win its last game of the year.

Didn't we do that the year the tournament was cancelled? I guess that is better forgotten!

RE: WBB: New bracketology - 81alum - 02-02-2023

(02-01-2023, 10:45 PM)CompSci87 Wrote:
(02-01-2023, 09:34 PM)M T Wrote: 81alum, we can just simplify the requirement: Barring a disaster of 1998 proportions, Stanford should make the tourney. Stanford just needs to win its last game of the year.

Didn't we do that the year the tournament was cancelled? I guess that is better forgotten!

Nope, that was Oregon's big year. Oregon crushed us for the third time that year to finish us off in the Pac 12 tournament, then the NCAAs were cancelled. I still think COVID robbed Oregon of a natty.

My daughter was actually in the starting blocks at the Div III nationals for indoor track when that tournament was abruptly cancelled.

I'd like to forget that spring. But the next year was much better.

RE: WBB: New bracketology - OCcardinal - 02-02-2023

(02-01-2023, 07:14 PM)81alum Wrote: Will LSU with one loss be higher than a Stanford with 3-4 losses? Oh the tangled web we weave.

LSU is a great team, but they don't have a single win over a current Top 25 team. And unless they beat South Carolina, they aren't going to get one. Even with 4 losses, Stanford likely would have 6 or 7 wins over Top 25 teams. It'd be rough to lose that #1 seed to LSU in that case.

RE: WBB: New bracketology - M T - 02-02-2023

(02-02-2023, 08:33 AM)OCcardinal Wrote:
(02-01-2023, 07:14 PM)81alum Wrote: Will LSU with one loss be higher than a Stanford with 3-4 losses? Oh the tangled web we weave.
LSU is a great team, but they don't have a single win over a current Top 25 team. And unless they beat South Carolina, they aren't going to get one. Even with 4 losses, Stanford likely would have 6 or 7 wins over Top 25 teams. It'd be rough to lose that #1 seed to LSU in that case.

If anyone is interested, LSU plays Georga at 2PM Pacific today on the SEC channel.