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Something needs to be done about this!! - CardinalSagehen - 08-18-2023
Today, 5:30pm
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RE: Something needs to be done about this!! - cardcrimson - 08-18-2023
(08-18-2023, 06:17 PM)CardinalSagehen Wrote: Today, 5:30pm
Milquetoast Athletic Department. Recommended a year ago that the UCLA and USC flags be taken down. Perhaps we should abandon the Cardinal for the Ostrich. . . .
RE: Something needs to be done about this!! - PVTree - 08-18-2023
Traitors deserve worse. Fly their flags upside down. >:/
RE: Something needs to be done about this!! - CardinalSagehen - 08-18-2023
(08-18-2023, 07:23 PM)PVTree Wrote: Traitors deserve worse. Fly their flags upside down. >:/
I’m not suggesting that anyone should or should not make this happen… but if I were a stupid drunken undergraduate, I would make this happen sometime around 3am on the day of the SC game.
Or does Stanford truly hate fun?
RE: Something needs to be done about this!! - Mick - 08-19-2023
(08-18-2023, 07:23 PM)PVTree Wrote: Traitors deserve worse. Fly their flags upside down. >:/
Or at half-mast. Or with a black line through it. Or a much, much smaller flag. Could have all kinds of fun with it.
RE: Something needs to be done about this!! - msqueri - 08-19-2023
These posts would have been a lot more apt a year ago. What are we going to do now, take down or fly upside down eight of the 12 flags? And how pathetic would that make us look flaunting loyalty to a moribund and disgraced Pac-12? Let's be winners and find a real conference of our own.
RE: Something needs to be done about this!! - CardinalSagehen - 08-19-2023
(08-19-2023, 08:48 AM)msqueri Wrote: What are we going to do now, take down or fly upside down eight of the 12 flags?
I'd be happy with just SC. And I think the statement is more appropriate now than a year ago. We've now learned that SC opposed Pac-12 expansion options while simultaneously negotiating with the B1G. Sure, we can blame our inept Commissioners, Presidents, and ADs, but isn't it more fun to blame the Trojans?
RE: Something needs to be done about this!! - Mick - 08-19-2023
(08-19-2023, 09:46 AM)CardinalSagehen Wrote:(08-19-2023, 08:48 AM)msqueri Wrote: What are we going to do now, take down or fly upside down eight of the 12 flags?
I'd be happy with just SC. And I think the statement is more appropriate now than a year ago. We've now learned that SC opposed Pac-12 expansion options while simultaneously negotiating with the B1G. Sure, we can blame our inept Commissioners, Presidents, and ADs, but isn't it more fun to blame the Trojans?
+1. Trojans suck, Cardinal rules. I had the feeling that SC was double dealing from the start.
RE: Something needs to be done about this!! - fullmetal - 08-20-2023
Well, if you look up Mike Bohn on the internet, there's no shortage of articles detailing the toxic work environment and his lack of fitness for leadership positions. And yet that was the U$C AD who shoved the Trojans across the conference alignment Rubicon. He definitely could have been double-dealing, and maybe the big donors were exerting leverage.
Martin Jarmond, a UNC-Wilmington guy, is the UCLA athletic director. Both he and Bohn have masters in sports administration from Ohio University, albeit from different decades. Was he pushed into realignment by big donors?
Carol Folt, the U$C president, has degrees from UCSB and UC Davis. Gene Block, the UCLA chancellor, has degrees from Stanford and Oregon. He did his postdoc work under Donald Kennedy at Stanford. Both presidents don't seem like they have the kind of personalities to seek out Big 10 football money at the expense of all other athletics and student experience. It feels like they were outmaneuvered and forced into these positions.
It's a rotten situation to have to chase football money.
RE: Something needs to be done about this!! - Goose - 08-20-2023
(08-20-2023, 10:22 AM)fullmetal Wrote: Well, if you look up Mike Bohn on the internet, there's no shortage of articles detailing the toxic work environment and his lack of fitness for leadership positions. And yet that was the U$C AD who shoved the Trojans across the conference alignment Rubicon. He definitely could have been double-dealing, and maybe the big donors were exerting leverage.UCLA has serious debts and money issues in it's athletic department. If it was given the chance to make considerably more money each year, it may be they felt they really had no choice. USC has a University wide money problem. It is not nearly as bad as the UCLA AD one, but it has led to hiring freezes. They too can use the money and arguably need it. While in USC's case it is difficult to argue they needed to explore joining the B1G, once they found out they could it would be difficult for the administration to turn down 20 million more per year, even if they wanted to do so. IMO the Presidents were presented with what was effectively a fiat accompli. There was a deal on the table already negotiated and ready to go. All they had to do is sign it. If they don't sign it, then they have to explain to their respective boards why they are running a deficit but wouldn't take the money. Neither of them were willing to take that risk and signed.
Martin Jarmond, a UNC-Wilmington guy, is the UCLA athletic director. Both he and Bohn have masters in sports administration from Ohio University, albeit from different decades. Was he pushed into realignment by big donors?
Carol Folt, the U$C president, has degrees from UCSB and UC Davis. Gene Block, the UCLA chancellor, has degrees from Stanford and Oregon. He did his postdoc work under Donald Kennedy at Stanford. Both presidents don't seem like they have the kind of personalities to seek out Big 10 football money at the expense of all other athletics and student experience. It feels like they were outmaneuvered and forced into these positions.
It's a rotten situation to have to chase football money.
RE: Something needs to be done about this!! - chrisk - 08-20-2023
(08-20-2023, 11:26 AM)Goose Wrote:Bohn was great at selling sizzle but terrible at running an AD. Ten years ago he was forced out at Colorado, 2 years after moving Colorado to the Pac-12. This year, he was forced out at USC, one year after getting it into the Big 10. He is watching from the sidelines as the Pac-12 implodes, Colorado undoes its move, and USC has to do the dirty work of transitioning to the Big 10.(08-20-2023, 10:22 AM)fullmetal Wrote: Well, if you look up Mike Bohn on the internet, there's no shortage of articles detailing the toxic work environment and his lack of fitness for leadership positions. And yet that was the U$C AD who shoved the Trojans across the conference alignment Rubicon. He definitely could have been double-dealing, and maybe the big donors were exerting leverage.UCLA has serious debts and money issues in it's athletic department. If it was given the chance to make considerably more money each year, it may be they felt they really had no choice. USC has a University wide money problem. It is not nearly as bad as the UCLA AD one, but it has led to hiring freezes. They too can use the money and arguably need it. While in USC's case it is difficult to argue they needed to explore joining the B1G, once they found out they could it would be difficult for the administration to turn down 20 million more per year, even if they wanted to do so. IMO the Presidents were presented with what was effectively a fiat accompli. There was a deal on the table already negotiated and ready to go. All they had to do is sign it. If they don't sign it, then they have to explain to their respective boards why they are running a deficit but wouldn't take the money. Neither of them were willing to take that risk and signed.
Martin Jarmond, a UNC-Wilmington guy, is the UCLA athletic director. Both he and Bohn have masters in sports administration from Ohio University, albeit from different decades. Was he pushed into realignment by big donors?
Carol Folt, the U$C president, has degrees from UCSB and UC Davis. Gene Block, the UCLA chancellor, has degrees from Stanford and Oregon. He did his postdoc work under Donald Kennedy at Stanford. Both presidents don't seem like they have the kind of personalities to seek out Big 10 football money at the expense of all other athletics and student experience. It feels like they were outmaneuvered and forced into these positions.
It's a rotten situation to have to chase football money.
RE: Something needs to be done about this!! - 2006alum - 08-20-2023
Reportedly, Folt had also been actively agitating for several years for U$C to get a larger share of Pac-12 media money, so while she may not have been directly party to the B1G machinations, she has been motivated in seeking to increase U$C's media rights revenue from basically day one of her tenure, and I would honestly be fairly surprised if she wasn't at least being kept apprised of B1G-facing developments in the months leading up to last summer.
RE: Something needs to be done about this!! - chrisk - 08-20-2023
(08-20-2023, 12:01 PM)2006alum Wrote: Reportedly, Folt had also been actively agitating for several years for U$C to get a larger share of Pac-12 media money, so while she may not have been directly party to the B1G machinations, she has been motivated in seeking to increase U$C's media rights revenue from basically day one of her tenure, and I would honestly be fairly surprised if she wasn't at least being kept apprised of B1G-facing developments in the months leading up to last summer.
Sandy Barbour is one of 3 outside consultants appointed to the leadership team help the interim acting AD get ready for the transition to the Big 10.
RE: Something needs to be done about this!! - Goose - 08-20-2023
(08-20-2023, 12:01 PM)2006alum Wrote: Reportedly, Folt had also been actively agitating for several years for U$C to get a larger share of Pac-12 media money, so while she may not have been directly party to the B1G machinations, she has been motivated in seeking to increase U$C's media rights revenue from basically day one of her tenure, and I would honestly be fairly surprised if she wasn't at least being kept apprised of B1G-facing developments in the months leading up to last summer.I share your belief that she was looking to get more money out of football. I believe the people negotiating with the B1G had marching orders and knew the parameters. I doubt she was kept apprised of the developments because secrecy was a paramount concern for all involved. So was deniability if the effort blew up. She had no need to know until a deal meeting their marching orders was in hand.