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Shaw on podcast - g1313 - 09-15-2023

Ryen Russillo interviews Shaw on a few topics of interest: https://www.theringer.com/ryen-russillo-podcast/2023/9/15/23875493/philadelphia-eagles-2-0-deion-sanders-colorado-pac-12-future-aaron-rodgers-injury-tyreek-hill

Warning that this might be at least mildly enraging to the Shaw detractors on the board. For context, Russillo was a longtime ESPN radio host who worked with Stanford Steve, his persona is anti-hot-take and follows the NBA, NFL, and CFB closely. He has previously expressed a lot of admiration for Shaw and what he did at Stanford. 

A brief summary of Shaw's comments:

RE: Shaw on podcast - norcard10 - 09-16-2023

(09-15-2023, 10:28 PM)g1313 Wrote:  Ryen Russillo interviews Shaw on a few topics of interest: https://www.theringer.com/ryen-russillo-podcast/2023/9/15/23875493/philadelphia-eagles-2-0-deion-sanders-colorado-pac-12-future-aaron-rodgers-injury-tyreek-hill

Warning that this might be at least mildly enraging to the Shaw detractors on the board. For context, Russillo was a longtime ESPN radio host who worked with Stanford Steve, his persona is anti-hot-take and follows the NBA, NFL, and CFB closely. He has previously expressed a lot of admiration for Shaw and what he did at Stanford. 

A brief summary of Shaw's comments:
  • On what it is like to watch his son play at UCLA, Shaw says he can turn down the coach part of his brain and just watch and enjoy. 
  • On the Pac-12 dissolving, he says the 12 university presidents should issue an apology to the fanbase for their decisions that led to this, the biggest one he calls out is not approving Texas and Oklahoma. He felt that the Pac-12, and Stanford in particular, were playing with a different set of rules (not playing during COVID, lower TV revenue)
  • On Stanford, Russillo speculates that out of all Power 5 programs Stanford is last in how much they care about football, Shaw says "that's very fair". Shaw recognized Hennessy and Etch as "getting it," and cites the Orange Bowl as being instrumental in showing admin that football is a powerful force for uniting alums ("the biggest gathering of alums off campus, in Florida"). States there was a spike in applications as well. Under new president and provost "we had to backtrack, the world changes, we didn't change." Mentions NIL and portal, "couldn't get the athletes". No hint of responsibility for himself.
  • On leaving Stanford: reiterates his previous statement that he didn't leave because of the losing record, he just felt it was time to go. Says he was looking at the summer schedule, and for the first time he couldn't see himself doing it.
  • On what's next: not looking for another college job, but very clearly angling for the NFL. Shaw states that while he was at Stanford he was offered on average 2 NFL jobs a year from 2011-2019.

Just hope he never coaches the 49ers

RE: Shaw on podcast - JohnR34231 - 09-16-2023

Saw where Shaw accepted a job as an NFL analyst. I'm guessing he gets back in coaching at some point.
Anyone who is expecting mea culpa's from Shaw about his last few years at Stanford is going to be disappointed.
I refuse to believe, however, that the last few year's records had nothing to do with his decision to leave.

RE: Shaw on podcast - gailtate - 09-16-2023

Shaw had no answer(s) whatsoever to the tectonic shifts in college football. Combined with a general sense of fat-cat complacency and dulled sense of competitiveness the die was cast for failure. He'd basically checked out and looks foolish trying to deny it.

RE: Shaw on podcast - cardcrimson - 09-16-2023

(09-15-2023, 10:28 PM)g1313 Wrote:  Ryen Russillo interviews Shaw on a few topics of interest: https://www.theringer.com/ryen-russillo-podcast/2023/9/15/23875493/philadelphia-eagles-2-0-deion-sanders-colorado-pac-12-future-aaron-rodgers-injury-tyreek-hill

Warning that this might be at least mildly enraging to the Shaw detractors on the board. For context, Russillo was a longtime ESPN radio host who worked with Stanford Steve, his persona is anti-hot-take and follows the NBA, NFL, and CFB closely. He has previously expressed a lot of admiration for Shaw and what he did at Stanford. 

A brief summary of Shaw's comments:
  • On what it is like to watch his son play at UCLA, Shaw says he can turn down the coach part of his brain and just watch and enjoy. 
  • On the Pac-12 dissolving, he says the 12 university presidents should issue an apology to the fanbase for their decisions that led to this, the biggest one he calls out is not approving Texas and Oklahoma. He felt that the Pac-12, and Stanford in particular, were playing with a different set of rules (not playing during COVID, lower TV revenue)
  • On Stanford, Russillo speculates that out of all Power 5 programs Stanford is last in how much they care about football, Shaw says "that's very fair". Shaw recognized Hennessy and Etch as "getting it," and cites the Orange Bowl as being instrumental in showing admin that football is a powerful force for uniting alums ("the biggest gathering of alums off campus, in Florida"). States there was a spike in applications as well. Under new president and provost "we had to backtrack, the world changes, we didn't change." Mentions NIL and portal, "couldn't get the athletes". No hint of responsibility for himself.
  • On leaving Stanford: reiterates his previous statement that he didn't leave because of the losing record, he just felt it was time to go. Says he was looking at the summer schedule, and for the first time he couldn't see himself doing it.
  • On what's next: not looking for another college job, but very clearly angling for the NFL. Shaw states that while he was at Stanford he was offered on average 2 NFL jobs a year from 2011-2019.

Enraging? Not in the least. A. I doubt, at this point, many care what Shaw thinks. B. It is zero surprise that when looking for blame, Shaw looks everywhere except in the mirror.

RE: Shaw on podcast - gocard14 - 09-16-2023

I listened to the interview and am generally a fan of the Rusillo Podcast. I find it entertaining and generally a well balanced, rational analysis on sports. 

As for the Shaw interview, a few thoughts (focused on the Stanford related portions, not the pac 12). 

I am reminded that whatever his faults as a coach, Shaw is very intelligent and well spoken. We will miss having him as a face of the university. 

He gave an abundance of credit for Our 2010s success to Etchmendy and Bowelsby for their investment in and support of our football program. The unspoken but implied part was that conversely, MTL and Muir bear significant blame for the decline. Part of me wonders if part of Shaws hesitance to replace Pritchard or other assistants was a lack of financial commitment to finding better replacements. 

To that end, he spoke to the changing environment of the transfer portal and NIL, essentially condemning Stanford for being behind the eight ball and not leading from the front in finding new and creative ways to make the best of the situation. Again some critique implied at university leadership. 

Finally he spoke about himself stepping away. Some prescient paraphrasing of Bill Walsh about the difficulty of sustaining success over long periods of time, which is clearly true in college football. He also seemed to say that the University needs a new approach to stay relevant in the current era (which is true) and that would best be spearheaded by a new coach, which I also agree with. 


I was always more of a Shaw fan than most on this board. He brought us the best success Stanford football has ever known. But we obviously also eventually stagnated and then declined. This decline was multi factorial. Talent drain in coaching. Gradual erosion of our talent Pool from transfer portal being a one way street. NIL. Schematic advantages from other schools. But we are seeing this year it's not as simple as installing a more modern offense that will fix our woes. 

For those expecting a Shaw "I suck and this is all my fault" interview, you are going to be disappointed. I didn't need or expect that. I would have liked a few questions on what in hindsight he would have done differently over the past few years.

Shaw was an excellent steward of the program during our good times. Sadly, to achieve such success again is going to require swimming against the current, and the attitude needed to rally others to do so, which Shaw lacked at this point in his career. Here's hoping coach Taylor has EUTM in his DNA, because that's probably what it's going to take to make a difference.

RE: Shaw on podcast - cardcrimson - 09-16-2023

(09-16-2023, 08:58 PM)gocard14 Wrote:  I listened to the interview and am generally a fan of the Rusillo Podcast. I find it entertaining and generally a well balanced, rational analysis on sports. 

As for the Shaw interview, a few thoughts (focused on the Stanford related portions, not the pac 12). 

I am reminded that whatever his faults as a coach, Shaw is very intelligent and well spoken. We will miss having him as a face of the university. 

He gave an abundance of credit for Our 2010s success to Etchmendy and Bowelsby for their investment in and support of our football program. The unspoken but implied part was that conversely, MTL and Muir bear significant blame for the decline. Part of me wonders if part of Shaws hesitance to replace Pritchard or other assistants was a lack of financial commitment to finding better replacements. 

To that end, he spoke to the changing environment of the transfer portal and NIL, essentially condemning Stanford for being behind the eight ball and not leading from the front in finding new and creative ways to make the best of the situation. Again some critique implied at university leadership. 

Finally he spoke about himself stepping away. Some prescient paraphrasing of Bill Walsh about the difficulty of sustaining success over long periods of time, which is clearly true in college football. He also seemed to say that the University needs a new approach to stay relevant in the current era (which is true) and that would best be spearheaded by a new coach, which I also agree with. 


I was always more of a Shaw fan than most on this board. He brought us the best success Stanford football has ever known. But we obviously also eventually stagnated and then declined. This decline was multi factorial. Talent drain in coaching. Gradual erosion of our talent Pool from transfer portal being a one way street. NIL. Schematic advantages from other schools. But we are seeing this year it's not as simple as installing a more modern offense that will fix our woes. 

For those expecting a Shaw "I suck and this is all my fault" interview, you are going to be disappointed. I didn't need or expect that. I would have liked a few questions on what in hindsight he would have done differently over the past few years.

Shaw was an excellent steward of the program during our good times. Sadly, to achieve such success again is going to require swimming against the current, and the attitude needed to rally others to do so, which Shaw lacked at this point in his career. Here's hoping coach Taylor has EUTM in his DNA, because that's probably what it's going to take to make a difference.

Apparently you missed tonights game. Shaw's excellent stewardship of the program left it where it is today. To achieve success again, will require someone who is a leader as you describe. To your point though. Shaw has no leadership in this point of his career.

RE: Shaw on podcast - gocard14 - 09-16-2023

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I listened to the interview and am generally a fan of the Rusillo Podcast. I find it entertaining and generally a well balanced, rational analysis on sports. 

As for the Shaw interview, a few thoughts (focused on the Stanford related portions, not the pac 12). 

I am reminded that whatever his faults as a coach, Shaw is very intelligent and well spoken. We will miss having him as a face of the university. 

He gave an abundance of credit for Our 2010s success to Etchmendy and Bowelsby for their investment in and support of our football program. The unspoken but implied part was that conversely, MTL and Muir bear significant blame for the decline. Part of me wonders if part of Shaws hesitance to replace Pritchard or other assistants was a lack of financial commitment to finding better replacements. 

To that end, he spoke to the changing environment of the transfer portal and NIL, essentially condemning Stanford for being behind the eight ball and not leading from the front in finding new and creative ways to make the best of the situation. Again some critique implied at university leadership. 

Finally he spoke about himself stepping away. Some prescient paraphrasing of Bill Walsh about the difficulty of sustaining success over long periods of time, which is clearly true in college football. He also seemed to say that the University needs a new approach to stay relevant in the current era (which is true) and that would best be spearheaded by a new coach, which I also agree with. 


I was always more of a Shaw fan than most on this board. He brought us the best success Stanford football has ever known. But we obviously also eventually stagnated and then declined. This decline was multi factorial. Talent drain in coaching. Gradual erosion of our talent Pool from transfer portal being a one way street. NIL. Schematic advantages from other schools. But we are seeing this year it's not as simple as installing a more modern offense that will fix our woes. 

For those expecting a Shaw "I suck and this is all my fault" interview, you are going to be disappointed. I didn't need or expect that. I would have liked a few questions on what in hindsight he would have done differently over the past few years.

Shaw was an excellent steward of the program during our good times. Sadly, to achieve such success again is going to require swimming against the current, and the attitude needed to rally others to do so, which Shaw lacked at this point in his career. Here's hoping coach Taylor has EUTM in his DNA, because that's probably what it's going to take to make a difference.

Apparently you missed tonights game. Shaw's excellent stewardship of the program left it where it is today. To achieve success again, will require someone who is a leader as you describe. To your point though. Shaw has no leadership in this point of his career.

I wasn't aware Shaw was still coach for tonight's game. Do you also credit Walt with the greatest upset ever?

I get your point and am speaking partly to the in cheek. The program is in poor shape from a talent standpoint right now. Obviously a lot of that is on Shaw, though the interview does make it sound like the lack of support from the university in adapting to the NIL/portal era is playing a large role in that. 

My point is not that I wish Shaw was still coach. I don't. My point is that it is clear Stanford football is swimming against the current both externally in the current CFB landscape and internally with university leadership. To succeed in spite of that will require both a rare coach and rare force of personaility to sell students and the university on the vision. See Deion in Colorado for example. . The kind of turnaround job Harbaugh was perfect for. But Harbaughs (and Deion's) are rare. Coach Taylor is going to have to be more than a solid coach to succeed here. I'm hoping for the best but not optimistic.

RE: Shaw on podcast - StanfordMatt - 09-16-2023

The incessant handwringing over Shaw is really getting old. He is hands down the greatest coach in the history of Stanford Football. Full stop.

Were the last few years rough? Absolutely. Was it past time for him to go when he finally did? Yes. But the three conference titles, two Rose Bowl wins and four top 10 finishes represent some of the best memories of my experience as a sports fan. I get the feeling some people on this board would trade those for a few more Blockbuster Bowls in the later years.

RE: Shaw on podcast - old spanish trail - 09-17-2023

(09-16-2023, 11:52 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote:  The incessant handwringing over Shaw is really getting old. He is hands down the greatest coach in the history of Stanford Football. Full stop.

Were the last few years rough? Absolutely. Was it past time for him to go when he finally did? Yes. But the three conference titles, two Rose Bowl wins and four top 10 finishes represent some of the best memories of my experience as a sports fan. I get the feeling some people on this board would trade those for a few more Blockbuster Bowls in the later years.

Yep

RE: Shaw on podcast - JohnR34231 - 09-17-2023

(09-16-2023, 11:52 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote:  The incessant handwringing over Shaw is really getting old. He is hands down the greatest coach in the history of Stanford Football. Full stop.

Were the last few years rough? Absolutely. Was it past time for him to go when he finally did? Yes. But the three conference titles, two Rose Bowl wins and four top 10 finishes represent some of the best memories of my experience as a sports fan. I get the feeling some people on this board would trade those for a few more Blockbuster Bowls in the later years.

It's not getting old. It has been old. For quite some time now.
However, it will continue for as long as people start threads like this. I would suggest that anyone who is bothered by it avoid these types of threads.
College football coaching is very much a what have you done for me lately gig, and once you get to the pinnacle you are expected to stay there. 
If you don't you are a bum or at best a has been. Shaw was lucky Stanford allowed him to stay around and collect multimillion dollar paychecks while he was putting up 4-8 and 3-9 records.
Shaw is definitely correct in saying that continued success is extremely difficult to achieve at Stanford, and that is probably one reason why so many of his predecessors jumped ship once they had some. I always admired Shaw because he was willing to stay around, but it did not end well.

RE: Shaw on podcast - cardcrimson - 09-17-2023

(09-16-2023, 10:40 PM)gocard14 Wrote:  My point is that it is clear Stanford football is swimming against the current both externally in the current CFB landscape and internally with university leadership. To succeed in spite of that will require both a rare coach and rare force of personaility to sell students and the university on the vision. 

Shaw was getting paid, what between $6 and 9 million per, and was the highest paid employee of the university. For him to throw others under the bus is pathetic. If he saw the current changing, what did he do to try push MTL, Muir, Scott, the other coaches, anyone to react to the changes? That's what good leaders do. Does anyone here recall Shaw saying anything about the conference's future and the need for change at both the Pac-12 and Stanford? Did he try to drive that change, or was he just as complacent about those issues as he had been regarding recruiting and coaching the last few years?

The topic getting old? Sure it is. But it certainly wasn't his detractors who went on a podcast and blamed everyone else for not adapting to a changing landscape. It wasn't his detractors who went on said podcast peacocking about getting two NFL offers every year while he was at Stanford. . . .

RE: Shaw on podcast - Canalejas - 09-17-2023

(09-17-2023, 12:20 AM)old spanish trail Wrote:  
(09-16-2023, 11:52 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote:  The incessant handwringing over Shaw is really getting old. He is hands down the greatest coach in the history of Stanford Football. Full stop.

Were the last few years rough? Absolutely. Was it past time for him to go when he finally did? Yes. But the three conference titles, two Rose Bowl wins and four top 10 finishes represent some of the best memories of my experience as a sports fan. I get the feeling some people on this board would trade those for a few more Blockbuster Bowls in the later years.

Yep

Indeed

Mudhead - Mudhead - 09-17-2023

StanfordMatt dateline='[url=tel:1694933573' Wrote:  1694933573[/url]']
The incessant handwringing over Shaw is really getting old. He is hands down the greatest coach in the history of Stanford Football. Full stop.

Were the last few years rough? Absolutely. Was it past time for him to go when he finally did? Yes. But the three conference titles, two Rose Bowl wins and four top 10 finishes represent some of the best memories of my experience as a sports fan. I get the feeling some people on this board would trade those for a few more Blockbuster Bowls in the later years.

Very good perspective. I’ll sign up for that assessment.

RE: Shaw on podcast - 82lsju - 09-17-2023

(09-16-2023, 11:52 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote:  The incessant handwringing over Shaw is really getting old. He is hands down the greatest coach in the history of Stanford Football. Full stop.

Were the last few years rough? Absolutely. Was it past time for him to go when he finally did? Yes. But the three conference titles, two Rose Bowl wins and four top 10 finishes represent some of the best memories of my experience as a sports fan. I get the feeling some people on this board would trade those for a few more Blockbuster Bowls in the later years.

way back in time Pop Warner was 1-1-1 in Rose Bowls, and his teams did win 78% of their games in his nine years as head coach...in his last five years the team did not appear in a Rose Bowl, but they also never had a losing record....