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All is not lost... - OutsiderFan - 09-20-2023

Stanford is NOT in ESPN Ryan McGee's Bottom 10!

That means he has a healthy respect for Sac State as an FCS team, right?

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38444749/college-football-bottom-10-week-3-tennessee

RE: All is not lost... - PAsportsfan - 09-20-2023

Can you say Pac-12 after dark???

RE: All is not lost... - jacket3ree - 09-20-2023

There's plenty of time.

Surprised no one has mentioned Ostler's <not sure if serious meme here> article this morning suggesting that Stanford drop football.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/ostler/article/time-stanford-punt-football-cardinal-s-future-18375912.php

RE: All is not lost... - 82lsju - 09-20-2023

(09-20-2023, 04:30 PM)OutsiderFan Wrote:  Stanford is NOT in ESPN Ryan McGee's Bottom 10!

That means he has a healthy respect for Sac State as an FCS team, right?

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38444749/college-football-bottom-10-week-3-tennessee

but we're first on the waiting list....

RE: All is not lost... - cardcrimson - 09-20-2023

(09-20-2023, 05:17 PM)jacket3ree Wrote:  There's plenty of time.

Surprised no one has mentioned Ostler's <not sure if serious meme here> article this morning suggesting that Stanford drop football.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/ostler/article/time-stanford-punt-football-cardinal-s-future-18375912.php

Didn't realize the chronicle was still around or that anyone still read it. What a childish article. Perhaps the chronicle should drop petulant sports writers.

RE: All is not lost... - chrisk - 09-20-2023

This article was posted in the Culture Vibe thread yesterday and commented on there.

RE: All is not lost... - lex24 - 09-20-2023

(09-20-2023, 05:54 PM)cardcrimson Wrote:  
(09-20-2023, 05:17 PM)jacket3ree Wrote:  There's plenty of time.

Surprised no one has mentioned Ostler's <not sure if serious meme here> article this morning suggesting that Stanford drop football.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/ostler/article/time-stanford-punt-football-cardinal-s-future-18375912.php

Didn't realize the chronicle was still around or that anyone still read it. What a childish article. Perhaps the chronicle should drop petulant sports writers.

Ostler started mailing it in years ago. He’s now more of a cultural and political columnist than anything else.

RE: All is not lost... - OutsiderFan - 09-21-2023

As much as Ostler may be a click bait whore now, articles like his have the potential to get the target defensive, and respond. I'm sure Ostler in part was trying to provoke a reaction from Stanford.

Of course, we're talking about Stanford here, a private university with zero accountability to the public that is the second richest school in the world, and really doesn't care what anyone else thinks. That has been proven by its feckless behavior and near silence re: conference affiliation matters.

Ostler may be a columnist, but he's still ostensibly a journalist. How about doing some, you know, reporting on Stanford, and writing about what he learned? Anyone can throw bombs and shoot from the hip like a message board poster.

RE: All is not lost... - 81alum - 09-21-2023

I don't know who Ostler is, have never subscribe to the Chronicle.  I didn't find his column particularly humorous or insightful.  

However, the sentiments he expressed are, I think, more common than people on the Cardboard might care to admit.  My wife, an alum but not a sports fan, reacted in exactly the same way to the news that Stanford would be joining the ACC.  "What?  A California university in the ATLANTIC conference???  It would be much better to just drop football."  Her reaction exactly.  So I can't convince my own family, and keep in mind that most Stanford alums are like her--not particularly interested in sports to begin with.  Throw in the steady drip drip drip of articles about CTE and I fear what a scientific poll of Stanford alums would show about support for football's future (in general) or the move to the ACC (in particular.) 

So Ostler's sentiments are shared by others.  Whether Stanford football survives may depend upon how many share those views.

RE: All is not lost... - BobK - 09-21-2023

I’ve been reading the Chronicle for 70 years and Ostler for probably 40 back then With the LA Times Nothing new about him writing. He is 75. So there’s that lol

RE: All is not lost... - cardcrimson - 09-21-2023

(09-21-2023, 06:50 AM)81alum Wrote:  I don't know who Ostler is, have never subscribe to the Chronicle.  I didn't find his column particularly humorous or insightful.  

However, the sentiments he expressed are, I think, more common than people on the Cardboard might care to admit.  My wife, an alum but not a sports fan, reacted in exactly the same way to the news that Stanford would be joining the ACC.  "What?  A California university in the ATLANTIC conference???  It would be much better to just drop football."  Her reaction exactly.  So I can't convince my own family, and keep in mind that most Stanford alums are like her--not particularly interested in sports to begin with.  Throw in the steady drip drip drip of articles about CTE and I fear what a scientific poll of Stanford alums would show about support for football's future (in general) or the move to the ACC (in particular.) 

So Ostler's sentiments are shared by others.  Whether Stanford football survives may depend upon how many share those views.

Sadly, many don't realize that there are other sports besides football. Joining a major conference was a necessity to keep those sports at the level of competition the athletes we've attracted over the years expect. Not doing so would have been the death of quality competition, and a dearth of quality athletes at Stanford.

RE: All is not lost... - BobK - 09-21-2023

I came back to add exactly what Card Crimson just wrote.
Sad but so very true

RE: All is not lost... - SkiBum80 - 09-21-2023

(09-21-2023, 08:22 AM)BobK Wrote:  I came back to add exactly what Card  Crimson just wrote.
Sad but so very true
Likewise
Well said by CardCrimson

RE: All is not lost... - 81alum - 09-21-2023

(09-21-2023, 08:57 AM)SkiBum80 Wrote:  
(09-21-2023, 08:22 AM)BobK Wrote:  I came back to add exactly what Card  Crimson just wrote.
Sad but so very true
Likewise
Well said by CardCrimson
Correct.  Which is why I have resigned myself to it.  It isn't even really the financial side of it--I'm sure Stanford donors could come up with the $15 million a year to make up for football revenue and keep the other sports going.  But I can't see WBB and all the other sports doing well in any west coast league that is left over after the Pac 12 debacle, so this crazy move is necessary.

But among my wife's and my college friends, I am the oddball.  Most of them would be fine with Stanford becoming U Chicago or Cal Tech or MIT.

RE: All is not lost... - gailtate - 09-21-2023

Like it or not, Ostler's piece was fair comment, albeit characteristically tongue-in-cheek. He is, first and foremost, a distinguished sportswriter, with all the bona-fides and cred he needs to be lauded annually by his peers for his work. But he isn't my point here. It's simply that Stanford football today, in case you haven't noticed, is at a frighteningly low ebb. Unknown territory, in fact. Abysmal. We are looking at a one-win season and not much better the year after. And maybe the one after that. Turnaround's gonna be long and frustrating. Is football in a death spiral? I dunno. But it's plausible. Apres Shaw, le deluge? How much of this writing on the wall did he see, anyway?

RE: All is not lost... - SkiBum80 - 09-21-2023

(09-21-2023, 09:55 AM)81alum Wrote:  
(09-21-2023, 08:57 AM)SkiBum80 Wrote:  
(09-21-2023, 08:22 AM)BobK Wrote:  I came back to add exactly what Card  Crimson just wrote.
Sad but so very true
Likewise
Well said by CardCrimson
Correct.  Which is why I have resigned myself to it.  It isn't even really the financial side of it--I'm sure Stanford donors could come up with the $15 million a year to make up for football revenue and keep the other sports going.  But I can't see WBB and all the other sports doing well in any west coast league that is left over after the Pac 12 debacle, so this crazy move is necessary.

But among my wife's and my college friends, I am the oddball.  Most of them would be fine with Stanford becoming U Chicago or Cal Tech or MIT.

Understand their perspective. But I think would be a tragic loss for Stanford to become a U Chicago, Cal Tech or MIT.
Another U Chicago based in Palo Alto would be a cave-in, a cop-out, an ignominious surrender.
So in the struggle for perspectives, mine was at the time I enrolled, and continues to be so to this day, that our identity is striving for excellence in academics and athletics. Both.  
And by athletics I mean broad based.  A lot of sports, more than just football and basketball.
There's not that many schools trying hard to do it and do it well.  It's pretty rare and worth saving.
If you look at US News college rankings, which focuses emphasis on academics,
and look at top 20 schools, and look at which ones also field strong nationally competitive teams in multiple sports,
you can see that from the PAC-12 in that group that UCLA is bolting away from us.
While with us joining the ACC, we are bringing along CAL in that group, and joining Duke and Notre Dame in that group.
So much as I grieve the loss of the PAC-12 foisted upon us, you could argue at least at some level that we have some more Excellence in Academics and Athletics sympathetic and similar schools in our new conference than our old.