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NIL and men's soccer - 82lsju - 06-04-2024
Quote:Alex Kline ’80 has helped organize the annual reunion game for Stanford men’s soccer alumni for nearly 20 years. The game brings generations of alums together, from those who graduated several decades ago to recent graduates.
Kline is now leveraging the relationships he’s formed for a larger purpose. Alongside Lifetime Cardinal, the name, image, likeness (NIL) collective associated with Stanford, Kline is helping fundraise NIL opportunities for the Stanford men’s soccer team to reduce tuition and living costs.
In an email sent out to around 900 men’s soccer alumni and obtained by The Daily, Kline wrote that the goal for the 2024 season is to raise $200,000 in order to effectively create 2.5 more scholarships for the team. The team currently has 9.9 scholarships for 29 players.
“Any school with a significant investment in their soccer program is gonna have to do this to be competitive,” Kline said. “Some schools will and if the other schools don’t, they’re gonna fall behind.”
This is the first time that Lifetime Cardinal has serviced the men’s soccer team.
https://stanforddaily.com/2024/06/03/mens-soccer-alumni-partner-with-lifetime-cardinal-to-launch-nil-initiative/?utm_content=Jun-04-2024%3Futm_campaign%3Ddigest&utm_content=Jun-04-2024
RE: NIL and men's soccer - BobK - 06-04-2024
I know the NCAA is falling apart but how can Stanford give more scholarships than the NCAA allows which is 9,9
RE: NIL and men's soccer - StanfordMatt - 06-04-2024
The details of the House settlement are still being hammered out but it is expected that roster limits will replace scholarship limits for all sports.
RE: NIL and men's soccer - Jamesy - 06-04-2024
(06-04-2024, 09:21 AM)StanfordMatt Wrote: The details of the House settlement are still being hammered out but it is expected that roster limits will replace scholarship limits for all sports.
And that basically everyone on the roster gets their cost of attendance covered at minimum.
RE: NIL and men's soccer - BobK - 06-04-2024
Hope not in the near future. I get all that can’t imagine without dropping many sports. No I don’t see this happening in the next school year
So I have the same question
RE: NIL and men's soccer - StanfordMatt - 06-04-2024
Bob, the expected changes from the settlement, which also include revenue sharing and diminished NCAA payouts from March Madness to cover damages, will go into effect beginning in the fall of 2025. As mentioned in another thread, I would expect a bloodbath in terms of smaller schools cutting non-revenue sports as a result.
RE: NIL and men's soccer - 82lsju - 06-04-2024
(06-04-2024, 12:36 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote: Bob, the expected changes from the settlement, which also include revenue sharing and diminished NCAA payouts from March Madness to cover damages, will go into effect beginning in the fall of 2025. As mentioned in another thread, I would expect a bloodbath in terms of smaller schools cutting non-revenue sports as a result.
at Stanford, as I recall there are ~600 student athletes and ~380 total scholarships (some split between multiple people). So if all those 600 people are on rosters and have to have full scholarships then the AD will be paying for ~220 additional scholarships ~$18m/year (with each scholarship costing $80k). This may or may not be part of the "new" BoT subsidy mentioned here previously.
RE: NIL and men's soccer - dabigv13 - 06-04-2024
Does the AD transfer money to the university to pay for tuition/fees/etc for athletes on full scholarship?
Or does the university just "take the loss"?
RE: NIL and men's soccer - 82lsju - 06-04-2024
(06-04-2024, 04:53 PM)dabigv13 Wrote: Does the AD transfer money to the university to pay for tuition/fees/etc for athletes on full scholarship?
Or does the university just "take the loss"?
in the AD annual report they show an expense line item for scholarships so I assume they are transferring money
https://gostanford.com/documents/2023/12/22/FY23_Annual_Report_Final.pdf
RE: NIL and men's soccer - BostonCard - 06-04-2024
(06-04-2024, 09:21 AM)StanfordMatt Wrote: The details of the House settlement are still being hammered out but it is expected that roster limits will replace scholarship limits for all sports.
How is that going to work with Title IX (at least in schools that offer football scholarships)? The whole reason there are fewer scholarships for men's sports as women's sports is that football gives out 85 scholarships a year. The only way to square that circle and offer proportional opportunities to women's athletes is to eliminate a ton of men's sports altogether.
BC
RE: NIL and men's soccer - StanfordMatt - 07-24-2024
More details starting to leak about what the House settlement will look like.
Sources: NCAA to increase scholarships for sports, with football getting roster limit of 105 players
RE: NIL and men's soccer - old spanish trail - 07-24-2024
(07-24-2024, 12:26 PM)StanfordMatt Wrote: More details starting to leak about what the House settlement will look like.
Sources: NCAA to increase scholarships for sports, with football getting roster limit of 105 players
How does that work? Will there still be a PW program? How many ships for the 105, etc. Did some teams have more than 105 on the roster in the last few years?
RE: NIL and men's soccer - BobK - 07-24-2024
WVB has 17
Softball 23
Baseball about 35
Mbb has 15 now 2 walkons
Football iirc a bit more than 105
No walkons all on scholarship for these sports
RE: NIL and men's soccer - Hieronymus - 07-24-2024
Somehow I am only just catching up on this. It really is going to be a bloodbath for non-revenue sports across the NCAA isn’t it? Basically we likely end up with football, basketball, baseball/softball and a few other women’s sports - volleyball and soccer and a couple of others to balance out football. Even if Stanford can/wants to continue to field a wide range of sports, you need somebody to play against.
This might be the final straw where I go and tune out for good.
RE: NIL and men's soccer - chrisk - 07-28-2024
(07-24-2024, 10:21 PM)Hieronymus Wrote: Somehow I am only just catching up on this. It really is going to be a bloodbath for non-revenue sports across the NCAA isn’t it? Basically we likely end up with football, basketball, baseball/softball and a few other women’s sports - volleyball and soccer and a couple of others to balance out football. Even if Stanford can/wants to continue to field a wide range of sports, you need somebody to play against.
This might be the final straw where I go and tune out for good.
I don't think the smaller sports will be required to put all players on full scholarship. The details are yet to be specified (at least publically). It seems likely that these sports will have caps but less likely they will have minimums that are so onerous that it would require cutting the sports. That would seem to be counterproductive.
RE: NIL and men's soccer - Hieronymus - 07-29-2024
(07-28-2024, 12:32 AM)chrisk Wrote:(07-24-2024, 10:21 PM)Hieronymus Wrote: Somehow I am only just catching up on this. It really is going to be a bloodbath for non-revenue sports across the NCAA isn’t it? Basically we likely end up with football, basketball, baseball/softball and a few other women’s sports - volleyball and soccer and a couple of others to balance out football. Even if Stanford can/wants to continue to field a wide range of sports, you need somebody to play against.
This might be the final straw where I go and tune out for good.
I don't think the smaller sports will be required to put all players on full scholarship. The details are yet to be specified (at least publically). It seems likely that these sports will have caps but less likely they will have minimums that are so onerous that it would require cutting the sports. That would seem to be counterproductive.
I don’t think it will matter. Simply adding this many scholarships on the main sports will reduce scholarships for the rest - schools mostly won’t have the money. I am assuming near max scholarship counts on the main sports, but from history I think it’s a good assumption.
Just base/softball, football and basketball have a max increase of about 55 scholarships. Balance out football on other women’s sports and it’s about 75 total. So something like $3.5 to $7 million dollars just on scholarships. That money is coming from somewhere else for many schools.
I definitely think this will also accelerate the move to 2 conferences, and will start the process of schools bailing out totally.
(07-29-2024, 07:56 AM)Hieronymus Wrote:(07-28-2024, 12:32 AM)chrisk Wrote:(07-24-2024, 10:21 PM)Hieronymus Wrote: Somehow I am only just catching up on this. It really is going to be a bloodbath for non-revenue sports across the NCAA isn’t it? Basically we likely end up with football, basketball, baseball/softball and a few other women’s sports - volleyball and soccer and a couple of others to balance out football. Even if Stanford can/wants to continue to field a wide range of sports, you need somebody to play against.
This might be the final straw where I go and tune out for good.
I don't think the smaller sports will be required to put all players on full scholarship. The details are yet to be specified (at least publically). It seems likely that these sports will have caps but less likely they will have minimums that are so onerous that it would require cutting the sports. That would seem to be counterproductive.
I don’t think it will matter. Simply adding this many scholarships on the main sports will reduce scholarships for the rest - schools mostly won’t have the money. I am assuming near max scholarship counts on the main sports, but from history I think it’s a good assumption.
Just base/softball, football and basketball have a max increase of about 55 scholarships. Balance out football on other women’s sports and it’s about 75 total. So something like $3.5 to $7 million dollars just on scholarships. That money is coming from somewhere else for many schools.
I definitely think this will also accelerate the move to 2 conferences, and will start the process of schools bailing out totally.
I forgot baseball increases more than softball so it’s probably more like +80/85, but the same point holds.