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House settlement consequences - BostonCard - 07-08-2025

https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story/2025-07-08/usc-athletics-eliminates-a-dozen-jobs-as-it-manages-new-revenue-sharing-expenses

LA Times article on some job losses in the USC AD.  You could make a reasonable argument that this is a good rebalancing of athletics department revenue away from administrators and to athletes, and you would probably be right, but there is only so much administrative bloat you can squeeze out.  Already seeing some evidence, however, of scholarship reductions elsewhere:

https://247sports.com/college/washington-state/article/washington-state-cutting-scholarships-events-in-track-and-field-250984124/

WSU is cutting some track and field events, and focusing on the events that it feels it has a competitive advantage in (distance events).

BC

RE: House settlement consequences - Hieronymus - 07-12-2025

(07-08-2025, 10:13 PM)BostonCard Wrote:  https://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/story/2025-07-08/usc-athletics-eliminates-a-dozen-jobs-as-it-manages-new-revenue-sharing-expenses

LA Times article on some job losses in the USC AD.  You could make a reasonable argument that this is a good rebalancing of athletics department revenue away from administrators and to athletes, and you would probably be right, but there is only so much administrative bloat you can squeeze out.  Already seeing some evidence, however, of scholarship reductions elsewhere:

https://247sports.com/college/washington-state/article/washington-state-cutting-scholarships-events-in-track-and-field-250984124/

WSU is cutting some track and field events, and focusing on the events that it feels it has a competitive advantage in (distance events).

BC

I have posted it before - I expect cuts in minor sports to rapidly snowball. Many schools lose money on sports; either they need new revenue or they cut costs. I expect this to end with men’s football, basketball and probably baseball. Then Women’s basketball, volleyball, beach, softball, soccer and another sport or 2 to balance out football. And not much else.

RE: House settlement consequences - Spiny_Norman - 07-12-2025

So far, Utah has discontinued its women's beach volleyball team and Grand Canyon did the same for men's volleyball. Cal Poly discontinued its men's and women's swimming and diving teams. Despite swimming boosters raising millions of dollars to reinstate the programs, the president said "no." 

Utah is the only Power 4 conference school that has announced cuts to date as far as I can tell.

RE: House settlement consequences - UltimateCard - 07-13-2025

This report from Tempe (written by a friend’s son) offers a few more data points.

RE: House settlement consequences - BostonCard - 07-13-2025

More from the Washington Post on the impact on twin divers.  Might be behind a paywall.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2025/07/06/house-v-ncaa-nonrevenue-sports/

BC

RE: House settlement consequences - TooMuchTV - 07-13-2025

(07-13-2025, 11:41 AM)BostonCard Wrote:  More from the Washington Post on the impact on twin divers.  Might be behind a paywall.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2025/07/06/house-v-ncaa-nonrevenue-sports/

BC

not paywalled here: These twins were college divers. Then new NCAA rules changed everything.

RE: House settlement consequences - paloalto - 07-13-2025

Shouldn't collectives stop existing with the house settlement pending future litigation?  I'm not sure collectives want to take any legal action because it may be counterproductive to their Athletic Department.  All NIL deals in theory have to be generated by a business or similar institution paying fair market value for advertising talent.

Mudhead - Mudhead - 07-13-2025

(07-13-2025, 01:52 PM)paloalto Wrote:  Shouldn't collectives stop existing with the house settlement pending future litigation?  I'm not sure collectives want to take any legal action because it may be counterproductive to their Athletic Department.  All NIL deals in theory have to be generated by a business or similar institution paying fair market value for advertising talent.

I am not sure the fair market rule applies to NIL deals outside of a collective. For example the deal,between  Canady and the Texas Tech Alums had nothing to do with the TT Collective and did not involve the University beyond admission.  Further deals outside the collective would not require passing the independent bodies fmv test.I don’t think NIL deals outside of collectives are prohibited.  

Emphasize “think” . I don’t know this for sure.

RE: House settlement consequences - chrisk - 07-13-2025

The Deloitte group which will do the compliance has said that about 90% of the collective deals would have failed its FMV test. It also said that the vast majority of NIL deals from public companies would pass their test. I didn’t see an estimate from them regarding private companies or individuals. Deloitte will be ruling on all deals over $600.

RE: House settlement consequences - CTcard - 07-18-2025

(07-12-2025, 04:09 PM)Hieronymus Wrote:  I have posted it before - I expect cuts in minor sports to rapidly snowball. Many schools lose money on sports; either they need new revenue or they cut costs. I expect this to end with men’s football, basketball and probably baseball. Then Women’s basketball, volleyball, beach, softball, soccer and another sport or 2 to balance out football. And not much else.

I guess you are going for the understatement of the year. 

Most schools lose money on intercollegiate sports programs and work very hard to hide it. Very few athletic departments officially run a deficit but their income includes tuition funds, mandatory student fees, and direct state appropriations. 

USA Today has a series listing data from NCAA required reporting on athletic program budgets for all Division 1 public schools (received via FOIA requests). Unfortunately they don't seem to be properly updating anymore (the latest version is dated March 14, 2024, and even then I am wondering if it is just a repeat from a year earlier). The key number to look at is "Total Allocated" [technically plus any actual deficit though that is typically small to zero]. You can sort by each column. 
NCAA Finances: Revenue & Expenses by School - USA TODAY 
There are a dozen public schools that report no external subsidy of the athletics program. For another handful (half dozen?) the subsidies are either very small or less than the net revenue of the AD. That leaves over 200 Division 1 schools that whose athletic programs are draining significant funds from the rest of the university, most by very large amounts. 


I happen to be very familiar with the situation at the winner in AD deficits, UConn. 
UConn is facing all sorts of problems. 
The basketball program is extremely good and popular but doesn't bring in net revenue.
The school desperately wants to join a Big 4 conference, operates as if it is in a Big 4 conference (to increase chances of getting in), but cannot get an invitation from any Big 4 conference. 
The state legislature just passed a new law allowing UConn to make full House payments to athletes (for allowing, read requiring without providing funds) which will presumably increase the $55 million deficit to the order of $75 million. 
In the meantime, the governor has successfully pushed for steep cuts to the overall state support of the university by an amount that is hard to track because everybody is playing with numbers ($60 million per year? $100 million? $130+ million?) despite several years in a row with large state budget surpluses. 
Then there are the fed cuts that all research universities are trying to deal with and I have seen some notes about Stanford's situation on this board. 
It's ugly and there is no solution of any sort in view.

RE: House settlement consequences - chrisk - 07-18-2025

NIL collectives fighting back over preemptive rejection of their deals. The conferences appear to want the collectives to completely go away.

From The Athletic:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6495752/2025/07/17/nil-college-sports-house-settlement-enforcement/

Opinion/analysis from Dan Wolken of USA Today:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/columnist/dan-wolken/2025/07/17/college-sports-settlement-nil-revenue-sharing-collectives/85259161007/

RE: House settlement consequences - BostonCard - 07-24-2025

Just posting to note that the President issued an executive order on NIL.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-college-sports-nil-deals-executive-order/?ftag=CNM-00-10aac3a

BC

RE: House settlement consequences - M T - 07-25-2025

The Terry rule prevents me from commenting about the appropriateness of the President making proclamations in this area

RE: House settlement consequences - BostonCard - 08-01-2025

Interesting piece about a new fencing training center in Boston.

https://www.sportico.com/leagues/olympics/2025/usa-fencing-academy-revenue-driver-house-ncaa-1234865385/

Lots of discussion about the future of the sport post-House.

Quote:The academy/training center may help the sport survive in the post-House settlement world. In the wake of the antitrust cases, some colleges are likely to reconsider their support of Olympic sports. The fear is schools leaning heavily on football and college basketball will be inclined to spend most of their newly required revenue-sharing payments on football and hoops, potentially gutting other programs like fencing in the process.

BC

RE: House settlement consequences - cctop - 08-02-2025

(08-01-2025, 08:53 AM)BostonCard Wrote:  Interesting piece about a new fencing training center in Boston.

https://www.sportico.com/leagues/olympics/2025/usa-fencing-academy-revenue-driver-house-ncaa-1234865385/

Lots of discussion about the future of the sport post-House.

I sent this article to a friend whose son is currently a nationally-ranked fencer in high school.  Their thoughts:

I thought it interesting that the article calls USA Fencing "an events company in sheep's clothing" presumably because half of their $17.3 million annual revenue comes from registration fees.

Also the article that says the governing bodies of fencing, squash, cycling, sailing, and rowing have formed a marketing collective:
https://www.sportico.com/business/sponsorship/2025/olympic-sports-launch-marketing-collective-1234841509/

RE: House settlement consequences - Mick - 08-02-2025

(08-02-2025, 02:01 PM)cctop Wrote:  I sent this article to a friend whose son is currently a nationally-ranked fencer in high school.  Their thoughts:
  • Location: love it but it's so far away. Right now the top foil fencers are all from the West Coast (2 of the Olympic team are from SF, the other 2 are from LA)
  • They chose Boston because it's close to elite universities. When you take a closer look, out of the 4 (Harvard, MIT, BC, and Brandeis)...Harvard will only take 1 male foil fencer/year. So basically, #1. If you're anything else, you'd have to get in on your own. BC doesn't have a men's program. MIT is D3... so you'd have to get in on your own. And Brandeis is not really an elite school. So slim pickings if kids are trying to use fencing to get into elite colleges.
  • The academy is intended to be revenue generating. It's true that parents spend crazy $$$ on fencing but I wonder if parents will still spend all that money in fencing if it disappears from NCAA
  • I don't know if colleges will really move away from money-making sports like basketball/football to Olympic sports. How would they generate revenue? No one really comes to watch NCAA fencing.

I thought it interesting that the article calls USA Fencing "an events company in sheep's clothing" presumably because half of their $17.3 million annual revenue comes from registration fees.

Also the article that says the governing bodies of fencing, squash, cycling, sailing, and rowing have formed a marketing collective:
https://www.sportico.com/business/sponsorship/2025/olympic-sports-launch-marketing-collective-1234841509/

Interesting comments. A few thoughts:

- Harvard has six foil fencers on its roster (and seven each for Saber and Epee fencers) -- though they spell it "Saber" and "Sabre" on the Harvard site. Perhaps the Stanford of the East is not noted for its spelling acumen...
2024-25 Men's Fencing Roster - Harvard University

- When your friend states that Harvard takes one fencer a year, I suspect that what your friend is referring to is a "likely letter," the Ivy's version of the Letter of Intent. It virtually guarantees entry, as long as you graduate from high school, don't commit any felonies and don't get any D's (essentially). My son received one.

- The year my eldest applied to both Princeton and Harvard, the Ass't. AD at Harvard explained that they needed five volleyball players a year, but only gave out two "likely" letters. Five other recruited applicants would apply, and Admissions would accept three of them to get to the required five recruits. So the Admissions odds increased to 60%. Much better than 5%, but still not 100%. That year, Harvard needed two middles, my son played outside, so...Princeton.

- And speaking of Princeton...my geography's a little iffy, but I'm fairly certain they're somewhere near the East Coast. They have an excellent men's fencing team that won the last Ivy championships. Perhaps your friend could consider the Tigers.
Men's Fencing Sweeps to Ivy Title, Women's Team Takes Third - Princeton University Athletics

Here's the Ivy championships. Columbia, Penn & Yale also have fencing teams and I hear tell they're in the vicinity of the East Coast.
2025 Ivy League Fencing Championships Results - Team

RE: House settlement consequences - cctop - 08-02-2025

Those four schools (Harvard, MIT, BC, Brandeis) were specifically cited in the article as being near the new fencing facility.

But yes, I'm sure my friend's son would be thrilled with an offer from any Ivy. :-)

RE: House settlement consequences - fullmetal - 08-03-2025

(08-02-2025, 02:01 PM)cctop Wrote:  I sent this article to a friend whose son is currently a nationally-ranked fencer in high school.  Their thoughts:

  • Location: love it but it's so far away. Right now the top foil fencers are all from the West Coast (2 of the Olympic team are from SF, the other 2 are from LA)
  • They chose Boston because it's close to elite universities. When you take a closer look, out of the 4 (Harvard, MIT, BC, and Brandeis)...Harvard will only take 1 male foil fencer/year. So basically, #1. If you're anything else, you'd have to get in on your own. BC doesn't have a men's program. MIT is D3... so you'd have to get in on your own. And Brandeis is not really an elite school. So slim pickings if kids are trying to use fencing to get into elite colleges.
  • The academy is intended to be revenue generating. It's true that parents spend crazy $$$ on fencing but I wonder if parents will still spend all that money in fencing if it disappears from NCAA
  • I don't know if colleges will really move away from money-making sports like basketball/football to Olympic sports. How would they generate revenue? No one really comes to watch NCAA fencing.

I thought it interesting that the article calls USA Fencing "an events company in sheep's clothing" presumably because half of their $17.3 million annual revenue comes from registration fees.

Also the article that says the governing bodies of fencing, squash, cycling, sailing, and rowing have formed a marketing collective:
https://www.sportico.com/business/sponsorship/2025/olympic-sports-launch-marketing-collective-1234841509/

I remember an article about Harvard fencing and admissions/kickback shenanigans from a while back, subsequent to the Varsity Blues scandal.  The appearance of fencing as an Ivy League ticket is enough for wealthy, immigrant parents to go all in on getting their kid into those schools.  Boston is part of that appearance, I think. It's also interesting that they're betting on the Ivy League schools to be least likely to cut Olympic sports because of their non-participation in the House settlement. I hope Stanford doesn't cut any sports either.

I know about the marketing collective, and I'm interested in the characterization of USA Fencing as an events company.  USA Fencing, according to the article, hosts a ton more events than other sports I'm familiar with. I think the logistics of setting up a fencing event must be comparatively easy lol.

RE: House settlement consequences - M T - 08-22-2025

These numbers don't seem to add up to me.  Can someone explain?
Quote:LSU football head coach Brian Kelly said on his weekly radio show Thursday that the Tigers' 2025 roster costs "about $18 million" this year.
"LSU spent $5.5 million on the roster last season, the general counsel of Bayou Traditions previously told The Advocate, and $11 million over the previous three years combined.
"LSU, like many in the SEC, allocated $13.5 million for its football program. Kelly and general manager Austin Thomas previously said that money will be split between the 2025 and 2026 teams because payments operate on the academic calendar."

$18M  or a portion of $13.5M?  Which is it?  Or does "costs" include money from the school plus other money not from the school, but would that be a "cost"?

The $18M figure, if that is out of the $20.5M cap, would mean that they spend 90% of the House Settlement money on FB, and 10% on everything else.

I don't see that using House money is going to stop under-the-table payments.... It just means they'll have to have a bigger table to move that much more cash.

RE: House settlement consequences - chrisk - 08-22-2025

Are you sssuming they won’t report third-party NIL payments to the Deloitte? We will soon see how effective it is.